Time to Put an End to Hypocrisy

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

1000 Whales Annually is Not Research.

 

"Meat from the whales is sold commercially."

 

It is time to call a halt to the murder of one of the intelligent species on our planet.  Japanese harvesting of Dolphins falls in the same class.

 

We have at least two (alien) intelligent species on this planet, and is it any wonder that any extra-terrestrials might want to avoid us?

[Bdub01 201]

I'm not saying that what Japan is doing is right but if they are taking whales in international waters what can Austrialia do about it short of going to war with Japan. For that matter however the international court of justice decides why would Japan want to go along with it. It seems like unless there is actual proof that Japan is doing anything illegal they have the right to do what they are doing. Whether its ethical is a whole other story...

[Snugies 91]

first dolphins and whale then tuna. And tuna is me favorite food, my gf is Korean and we love sashimi fresh raw tuna it is the best food you must try it. I even had raw beef at a Korean restaurant which was yummy as well. And in Korea I ate live eel just cut squirming on my plate. If you ever eat raw tuna sashimi you will think canned tuna is an illegal waste of tuna the best tasting meat in the world I have a lot of respect for the tuna fish now it is a GOD.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Maybe you don't see the difference, but tuna is fish.  Whales and dolphins are intelligent mammals. Both mammalian species have been shown to be able to communicate over long distances and have languages.  No studies that I know of indicate that fish do the same.

 

Both whales and dolphins are endangered through man's rapacious greed.  It is not only silly, but generally disgusting to eat another intelligent being.  Long pig is also considered to be not a comestible in most cultures on the planet.

[Snugies 91]

well good argument but make sure you tell the aliens that when we are getting eatin.

[Bdub01 201]

well good argument but make sure you tell the aliens that when we are getting eatin.

Compared to the aliens we are no more intelligent than say a beaver that can build a dam.

[SimCoug 5,972]

Well, ants communicate and develop highly organized colonies complete with specialized castes (workers, soldiers, etc).  So where do we draw the line?  I suppose to be completely free of hypocrisy we should avoid eating any living organism, since all life is unique and intelligent in it's own way.  

But I think I'd get hungry living off only water all day...

[Meg 368]

Well, ants communicate and develop highly organized colonies complete with specialized castes (workers, soldiers, etc).

 

We don't eat them.  or other insects that organize themselves this way.  (Bees, for example)

 

We don't eat primates who can also learn language.  (Sign language, for example)

 

Why should it be okay to eat mammals who can communicate just because they live in water?

[Bdub01 201]

Well, ants communicate and develop highly organized colonies complete with specialized castes (workers, soldiers, etc).

We don't eat them. or other insects that organize themselves this way. (Bees, for example)

We don't eat primates who can also learn language. (Sign language, for example)

Why should it be okay to eat mammals who can communicate just because they live in water?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entomophagy

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_brains_(cuisine)

I don't PERSONALLY eat ants and monkeys but they are eaten throughout the world.

[SimCoug 5,972]

We don't eat them.  or other insects that organize themselves this way.  (Bees, for example)

 

Not so much in the west, but they are a source of food for many people around the world.

 

 

Why should it be okay to eat mammals who can communicate just because they live in water?

 

Maybe it shouldn't, but why are wales and dolphins special, and not cows?  

The title of the topic is ending hypocrisy - in my mind, eating some animals and not others is still pretty hypocritical, no matter how you justify it.  

[Snugies 91]

how dare you say a dolphin is better than a cow. Say that to a cow.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Cows have no language that has been discerned.  They are simply prey.

 

I don't care if half of Japan starves, they have no business lying about their whaling fleet in the name of science.  At least they don't hide the fact that they look upon Dolphins as prey, while others in this world are doing their best to communicate with them.  If they can't feed their people, let them legalize birth control and exercise it, if they have not done so already.

 

As far as not eating a living being, you should ask the Jains about that.  I have actually seen films of Jains sweeping the road so as not to injure any insects that might be in their path.  Depends on whether you consider plants as living beings.  Some of the posters around here seem to be plants.

[Snugies 91]

but cow still has feeling how can it be simple just because it has no language doesn't mean it has less feelings than dolphin.

[Cottoncandy Cyanide 145]

Poor Whales ;_;

I don't understand how whales would taste good anyway ._.

[hym 358]

At the end of the day, humans survive by slaughtering other living creatures that are unable to avoid becoming the next meal.  The significance between animal A and animal B is what?

[Bdub01 201]

At the end of the day, humans survive by slaughtering other living creatures that are unable to avoid becoming the next meal. The significance between animal A and animal B is what?

Animals eat animals. If humans are not the most intelligent species on the planet we are the most dominant and will eat what we want, when we want, how we want until the aliens come and eat us!!! Unfortunately, I'm quite ummmm, portly, so I would prevailing make a good stew for the aliens.

That being said, whether I eat deer, pig, cow, or chicken I don't feel guilty or sad, only less hungry .

[Cottoncandy Cyanide 145]

whale has no predator with big enough bite and appetite (excluding Rosanne) humans might as well eat one whale could feed millions or one rosanne

I don't mean to be rude but... what?

Re-read it so now I understand. You're saying a whale has no predator right? And what is Rosanne?

  Edited June 26, 2013 by yuuka221  

[Cpt Johnny 57]

I'm not saying that what Japan is doing is right but if they are taking whales in international waters what can Austrialia do about it short of going to war with Japan. For that matter however the international court of justice decides why would Japan want to go along with it. It seems like unless there is actual proof that Japan is doing anything illegal they have the right to do what they are doing. Whether its ethical is a whole other story...

You can't stop the Japanese from satisfying their endless appetite for every kind of marine creature. They will argue that they lack the land to breed domesticated animals.

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

I am not against hunting whales per second, but I am in favour of sustainable fishing and hunting, and their actions are not sustainable.

By the way, part of the dispute is that they are hunting in disputed territory. Australia claims the waters as part of the Australian Antarctic Territory, but this territory is only recognised by a few other countries, Japan not being one of them.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

There is mutual predation between whales and bathyteuthis.

[AkemiAzula 280]

Well, ants communicate and develop highly organized colonies complete with specialized castes (workers, soldiers, etc).  So where do we draw the line?  I suppose to be completely free of hypocrisy we should avoid eating any living organism, since all life is unique and intelligent in it's own way.  

But I think I'd get hungry living off only water all day...

I have eaten ants live. Then again they die quickly so...

 

Also I like meat. I have eaten tuna a lot but I've never eaten whale or dolphin.

 

I think obviously whales and dolphins shouldn't be eaten but we can't go to war with Japan. They are a highly useful productive nation. Without Japan we'd be a lot worse off, and bombing their cities again won't achieve anything. It'll probably cause nuclear fallout and kill plenty of whales and sharks though.

[Snugies 91]

Ya going to war over dolphins and whales. I'd fight for that.

[AcronShinra 60]

If they can't feed their people, let them legalize birth control and exercise it, if they have not done so already.

It's other way around, for years they have very low or negative birth rate, high percentage of elderly people, very high suicide rates, low marriage rate, this is the price their society pay for striving for perfection and seeing job career as only goal in life.

[Cottoncandy Cyanide 145]

 

If they can't feed their people, let them legalize birth control and exercise it, if they have not done so already.

It's other way around, for years they have very low or negative birth rate, high percentage of elderly people, very high suicide rates, low marriage rate, this is the price their society pay for striving for perfection and seeing job career as only goal in life.

 

> Suicide rates?

Oh you mean Aokigahara? One of the world's famous suicide spots along with Golden Gate Bridge? Well Aokigahara is a forest so....

> Striving for perfection

No one can be absolutely perfect. I wonder if they know that...

> Job career

What about those NEETs?

[Snugies 91]

he's right about the old people in Japan I think Japan is many old people. But Korea when I went there was many young people, I wonder why Japan doesn't have many young people like Korea?

[paeng 2,507]

I don't PERSONALLY eat ants and monkeys but they are eaten throughout the world.

 

Well, one should still make some distinctions here...

 

To eat insects for their high protein (a 'truth' already doubted by scientists, e.g. from Thailand) is one thing. To eat primates (with a certain degree of intelligence) for mainly weird "reasons" like better potency and other voodoo stuff like that is another thing. And also potentially dangerous to your health (see relation of e.g. eating brain to Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease).

 

But to eat something into extinction is just plain stupid.

 

Or if not extinction, at least depleting it as a resource to a point where you have to fall back on aquaculture products from somewhere at the opposite end of the globe... believe me, once you have seen a let's say Indonesian shrimp "farm" you'll never again want to see a shrimp, let alone eat it (but don't blame Indonesia!)

[AcronShinra 60]

> Job career

What about those NEETs?

NEETs/hikikomoris/single parasites I kinda included in low marriage rate.

Kinda.

...

THAT WAS SHAMEFUR DISPRAY, I MUST COMMIT SUDOKU!

PS. Well, seeing how much tension is put on young'uns it's not strange that quite high percentage choose to shut-in themselves in their basements/rooms from "dangers" of modern world. Radical escapism, hah.

[Magneto 316]

The only distinction to be made is whenever you kill to survive (nature scheme) or for pure profit (human scheme). Intelligence or "rarity" aren't relevant facts here.

 

Now of which hypocrisy are we speaking, Mr. Moose? You're concerned by the fate of dolphins and whales and yet you don't seem to mind about nuclear power being used as our main energy source. Where does the toxic waste is dumped, in your opinion? How long the corroded tanks will last?

 

This is the human paradox. We are sensitive to some causes that we really care for, but on the other hand we can't resist to material temptations that, in the name of our divine little confort. makes us loose focus on what is really essential.

 

But at this point it doesn't matter anymore: we're doomed. In a few decades, major shortages will arise; food will become so scarce that people will no longer mind eating an indonesian shrimp or their neighbour. It will be all about surviving.

 

Mankind, finally back to it's original nature scheme. No more hypocrisy.

[Snugies 91]

Nonny Moose you have officially become my news man. Now you may have the ability to influence my opinions...therefor please act responsibly.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Bah!  What I say is often for my own amusement.