SWAP, SimWings Airport Pack: Support/General Disussion Thread

[E.J.C 9]

this is totaly NOT cool!!

 

if you knew there is a bug with it; get it out of the STex then!!!!

 

 

now, my New York City Recreation which I'm playing for months now is RUINED!! by your stupid airport pack!!

 

I used your bats for JFK Airport, which I can't load now anymore

 

 

don't tell me to use DATGEN etc!! fix it & put it on the STex!!

 

 

it's a real shame, because it's affecting a lot of people

[E.J.C 9]

this is totaly NOT cool!!

 

if you knew there is a bug with it; get it out of the STex then!!!!

 

 

now, my New York City Recreation which I'm playing for months now is RUINED!! by your stupid airport pack!!

 

I used your bats for JFK Airport, which I can't load now anymore

 

 

don't tell me to use DATGEN etc!! fix it & put it on the STex!!

 

 

it's a real shame, because it's affecting a lot of people

[norbutt2001 8]

E.J.C A lot of work has gone into the SWAP so mayby next time you can be a little more cailm with your comments.

However I do agree with the sentiment SWAP was released on 29th October and the bugs were repoted to you pretty quickly, this is a situation which cannot continue so I am going to add my two pence and request that the SWAP be withdrawn until such a time as the bugs can be ironed out, or at the very least a warning added to its description to allow other members the chance to make an informed choice as to download it or not.

As I said your work on the BATs was fantastic but this is something which has gone on far too long, please address this problem and try and fix the pack to allow us to use the SWAP and mayby even save our cities.

It is not the responsability of members to fix your BATs using DATGEN it is yours to solve this problem.

[Swamper77 90]

Xiziz will be uploading the updated SWAP files to the STEX sometime today. I have sent him the files already.

Let me explain the purpose of my Airport Support file and what is going on:

My Airport Support file does not fix the issues with the SWAP or any other airport pack. It only contains the game's Airports Developer file. This Developer file is a central registry of all the airport terminals in the game. When the game shipped it only contained 3 entries, which point to the developer files for the default airports.

Joerg's Airport Pack added a entry for his air control tower for his RH Airport Pack. Then Thalassicus updated that pack so the terminals became functional terminals instead of eye-candy and the air control tower became eye-candy so it can be placed anywhere in the airport.

The SWAP added a few more entries for 2 more terminals, but the lots were not modded correctly. I have fixed the lots and have submitted them to Xiziz.

My support file allows for the above airport packs to function at the same time and allows for some airports that are in development to function with all of the above airport packs.

-Swamper77

[teddyb4492 1]

Xiziz

 

Don't worry about all the complaining - I think its BS.  your lots are great, and i hope to see alot more of them.

 

To answer a few of the negitive comments, yes, bugs are bad, but hello people, know one made you use these files, and they are not put out by Maxis, so be mad about the loss of a city, i was, for all of 2 mins, but remember, its just a game, you can build it again, even better than the last time.  Yelling and being rude about the situation is not making it any better.  i don't see any of you moddeling any great airports and putting your hard work out their to get dumped on becouse it didn't turn out just right.  he is working hard to fix the issue, maybe you could try to help. 

 

anyway, enough of my own complaining, if we all could be a little more considerate i am sure a solution will present its self.  lets be positive and help the community so we ALL get more from it.

 

 

 

[Equilibria 16]

Let me just say that I am very thankful for all of the efforts to fix this bug, and I hope that a fix will soon be available so that everyone can enjoy the beautiful airport pack Xiziz has created. This pack represents too much of an achievement to be sidelined by something as petty as a bug.

[norbutt2001 8]

Hey as I said I am not taking anything away from the work its just thats its been such a loing time since this pack was released and this bug presented itself very soon after, so all I am saying its still damageing peoples cities, so surely it should be either fixed or withdrawn in its current format.

[E.J.C 9]

it's just to stupid to put bat's on the stex WITH bugs.. know about them.. and letting people still down the BAT

 

with all negative effects.. not so nice

 

why don't you put in a virus? then you affect more&more people

 

 

in 1 word; dumb

[norbutt2001 8]

EJC you are going a tad too far but I reallly can understand your anger, I am angry still, not because I lost a city which I had worked for months with (well I was extremly angry at the time), but because of the amount of time SWAP has been availbale without a fix, and in all honesty I can't see that much effort has actually been put into finding a fix, but who knows.

[BubbaGump 0]

I GOT THE BUG TOO! I'm not alone! YAAAY!

[xiziz 11]

Update, Swamper77 Just released a FIX onto the stex, im having trouble with my Windows and my E drive, so i cannot update the original file yet.

to install this update you first need to go in and destroy any terminal buildings you might have build, these are the affected terminals:
-All Joergs Terminals
-Swap Medium Terminal
-Swap Small Terminal

Sorry for any inconvinence, there was a fault in the coding, that i was totaly unaware of, Swamper77 has been kind enough to lend his free time to fix this. *And there was much rejoicing*

Il post another note here when the original SWAP file is updated, now ive got a major software-bug to fix on my PC, and if it comes to the worst, lets just say that EVERYTHING that was of any importance on my PC is gone. and its a lot worse than losing an city tile, even if amoing those files are all my sc4 stuff.

Anyways, Cheers
//Sim

Edit:

Date: 1/11/2006 6:19:23 PM
Author: norbutt2001
EJC you are going a tad too far but I reallly can understand your anger, I am angry still, not because I lost a city which I had worked for months with (well I was extremly angry at the time), but because of the amount of time SWAP has been availbale without a fix, and in all honesty I can't see that much effort has actually been put into finding a fix, but who knows.

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Sc4, is a hobby of mine, not work, and this term has been really buisy, my 2 journals have more or less faded away, and im trying to find time to update them, time that dosnt exist, and then there is BATin, and this Bug-Fixing.
There now is a fix, even though all of this, and its not because of me, thank swamper77 for the fix.
But please, dont judge my effort, its hard work just to find time to try to work somthing out in a language you dont even understand(Sc4 code), and its not really motivating to continue whith people like you that just complain. try doing as Swamper77 and do somethig about the problem instead of whining.

I Thought i made it perfectly clear in my previous post that i dont want any more Idiotic Whining posts that dont serve a single pupouse here. if youve got something to add, or a quiestion that isnt answerd earlier in the thread, post. But if your just gonna post saying how much you have lost, dont, it dosnt help me, it dosnt help others, so stop beeing so self headed and go figure how to help instead.

These kind of posts dont really motivate for further BATing nor bugfixing, id rather spend my time Playing a game or doing something fun.

Also while at it, I dont have as much time for doing these things as most members, i have a full schedule allready.

Cheers
//Sim

Edit2:
Just noticed that there was a LOT more posts than what i previosley thought.

E.J.C, Sorry to say this, ENOUGH WITH THE WINING! just shut up!
norbutt2001, I noticed you had made a lot more posts before, and just to clarify, all above is not mentiond for you, but for the general public, i commented the fact that you didnt think that effort had been put in, and got carried away(il let it stand there though anyway)
Swamper77, Thanks for your post, which everyone should read!

Il update the file as soon as i get my PC back to normal state, last post i made from school. Once again, Thanks Swamper77 for the Bugfix.

Also, i might add the reason for not withdrawing the Pack.
-1- Not everyone was having problems
-2- I Couldt replicate the problems reported

That usually means that the problem is client-side, the downloaders side so to say. this wasnt the case as swamper77 confirmed, but im still curious of why it worked for me, and for a others aswell.

Cheers, now im going to try to fix my PC
//Sim

[E.J.C 9]

@Xiziz: to install this update you first need to go in and destroy any terminal buildings you might have build

 

that's what you say; problem is.. we CAN'T get in! not with the datgen.. not with that.. not with this.. it's just ashame you are STILL letting people down the SWAP-BATs (by the way, an excellent addon for SC4, my compliments for that)

 

but you affected so many people with these bugs, so I think it should be fair as BATer you solve the problems with the bugs and post an updated version of SWAP without bugs..

[norbutt2001 8]

Xiziz, sorry if I sounded a bit too abrupt, but to myself thats what it appered to be, I get RLS too so I can understand , as I said the BATs are great and I love them, and yes your right I am only a beginner at modding so I have no right to give you bad crack like.

But I just kinda caved as it has appeared that you had simply brushed the problem under the carpet for others to solve, for that I appologise I extend the hand of friendship.

And E.J.C please stop moaning now, a fix will soon be available, your comments have been quite out of line, we are meant to be civilised and if you cannot say anything nice then please do not say anything at all. - Rant over, but E.J.C please cool it and just live with it, a lot of us have lost cities and hopefully this will be no more.

Xiziz next time you do BAT please test as fully as you can and if you want a tester I can certainly volunteer for that.

[E.J.C 9]

my problem; the first NYC region (in my view) ever, can't be completed because of JFK that isn't playable anymore in the rightbottom corner...

 

it's just my disappointment, and I know.. in 1 way it's my own fault because I used it myself these BATs.. but on the other way.. no, never mind.. hope you can fix it soon

[bmag_20 61]

The problem for your NYC issue is simple. Create a new region and load the NYC map. then copy the matching city file from the new NYC region to your original region to override the corrupt file. Should work

[xiziz 11]

E.J.C, The fix is also on the STEX, i have not yet ben able to update the file because of trouble with my PC's Raid5 Array. Im currently Recovering the 380GB's, and lets say that its not a fast process.
About the region, at the most you have lost the work in one(1) city-tile, since thats the tile with the airport in. Im sorry that you had to lose even that much, but ranting still dosnt solve the problem, it at its best makes you feel good for awhile.

norbutt2001, Thanks, Though i did have a 1 month closed testing and didnt get any reported crashes, i myself havent even been able to replicate the crashes eather, so I assumed that the problem was client side. The code is all greek to me, and i cannot se mistakes done there, Swamper77 luckily can, and did.
The Fix is on the stex, released by Swamper77. Im going to update the Swap-File ASAP, that means as soon as my hard drive is recoverd and safe.

I will inform everyone as soon as ive updated the File, until then i recomend not building any more airports, or downloading the fix and selfinstalling it.

Cheers
//Sim

[DBrasil 0]

Just a little note, to be shiny clear about my complain, maybe many will agree with me...

 

This is a beautiful and usefull work. When I first saw it in the game, I couldn't leave the game 'til my eyes were burning, felt like a little kid that met Santa... and he were full of toys for me . Ok, a little exaggerated and suck up, but this fine work has opened a new world of 'personalize' (what's the word? i'm brazilian, my english sux) our cities.

The POINT that many have missed, is that the ONE problem is the BUG that prevent a city to reload. THIS is what needs to be fixed. The lots don't suck, the lots are not s***. Some just made the complain, not even trying to get to anything, seems that is just the pleasure of complaining.

 

Well, that's all... I just wanted to make sure that my reply wasn't taken like a ofensive complain. I'm tracking the development of this work and wouldn't like to see it vanish.

 

[]'s

 

 

PS: Off the topic here but this idea could get very far, like... let's say... an extensive seaport?

[metro_edwin 1]

Hi,

 

I am wondering if this Pack is a regional airport - i.e. the whole region can contribute to the usage of the aiport, not just the city the airport is located.

 

From what I have seen and seen, this pack is great! I would like to congratuate the efforts put into the creation of this pack as I am sure it is extremely time consuming and needs a lot of effort to put these things together. However I have a recommendation: the airport buildings seems to be in 50s-70s style. It would be marvelous to have some post-modern (let's just say newer-looking) terminals and other airport buildings around.

 

Cheers~

[Furious M 0]

Maybe I'm just going blind, but I can't find the fix on the STEX anywhere. Could somebody post a link?

[xiziz 11]

I updated the file several hours ago, anyway, the main file is updated an is located here.

Everyone should download the updated pack and read the installation instructions closley, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!

DBrasil, This bug has been fixed in ver 2.3, otherwise your english is good! Yes, the concepy could go far, we allready have seaports and trailparks, even a stadium kit i belive. But yes, if someone was to BAT all the buildings required and make a pack. I Do have a Ferry-Terminal(Ala European Ferry port) but i currently have batting on hold, partly because of this incedent with SWAP and majorly because of lack of RL time.

metro_edwin, Unfortunatley its impossible to make a airport function as a regional one, but there is a lot that is designed to be an illusion of this, the Airport Tram, is an airport that looks like a bus-station.
I Know that the it al looks like 50tis-70ties style, then again, most airports were build duting that era. I to would love to se some modern looking terminals, but that is way above my current level of skill in the bat.

Furious M, You must have been searching while i updated the file, it should be up again now. I couldnt get onto the forums while updating(due to ST beeing overcroweded) so i couldnt inform about the update. sorry

Cheers
//Sim

[ten1902 4]

so is it cool to use now, i mean have all the known bugs and kinks been worked out.

im really excited to use these BATs but i wanna make sure all is good b4 i DL them

[xiziz 11]

Date: 1/15/2006 2:01:40 PM
Author: ten1902

so is it cool to use now, i mean have all the known bugs and kinks been worked out.

im really excited to use these BATs but i wanna make sure all is good b4 i DL them

quote>

I personally havnt had chance to test it out, but Swamper77 had the BSC test team test the patch so yeah, its safe to use and all known kinks and gimmits have been worked out and have been solved, though id still recomend you to save regularly, that way you dont have to be afraind to lost stuff if the game decides it needs a pause ^^

Cheers
//Sim

[teddyb4492 1]

 Hi all - the new fix is working great will have a nice new airport to show you all in a few days.  

E.J.C.  This community is for free, it

[Equilibria 16]

I think you could be a little kinder, Teddy, lots of us lost a lot of work. Thankfully, the pack works and we all can appreciate the genius of Xiziz's work. Thank you to all of the SimWings contributors (and of course to Swamper) for this pack, I dedicate this to you.

Here are some selected shots of New Boston International Airport, viewable in its entirety in my CJ, Images from New Boston.

An Airport Map



The Terminal Building and Airport Hotel



General Aviation



Thanks again to all who made this possible, and may we all enjoy this pack for a long time.

[teddyb4492 1]

Equilibria

Yes, you are right, I was a bit harsh. Its just gets me so mad when people want to bash a lot developer just because of some problems.  That is a risk we all take. I lost 2 great cities as well, not to mention all the test cities I did.  But this is a community were we all work together to make it better.  I was upset, but I wanted to help, so I started testing the lots for Xiziz.  This way I wasn't just biching, I was helping.  I would just hate to see another great lot developer leave because of the bashing he got from someone who wasn't happy. 

EJC I am sorry I was so rude.  Just remember that what you download is on you.  all of the lot developers will try to do the best they can and will try to help but it won't make things any better if you keep giving them a hard time after you have noted your complaint.  This just drives them away and things never get fixed like that.  Remember that this is a place to test our work and get feed back as well.  I know you were mad, just try to be a little bit more positive or helpful and we will all get along. 

Anyway, in the end, it

[xiziz 11]

TeddyB, Some people just are very selfish by nature and would rather whine about something than do something about it. They just want someone to blame, its a lot better doing as you did, and help out, and im thankful for your help ^^ And il be sure to remember your name when the time comes to test something new ^^
Cant wait to se that Airbase/Airport, Im hoping on releasing some nice new shiny jets as soon as work out how to bat them... Squares are easy, so are arches and so, but Fighters... nay, not quite so. ^^

Equilibria, I Like your airport, and the pond in the middle of the main terminal is very nice addition, good fantasy for filler there.

Cheers
//Sim

[generalee7 0]

Hey all, my computer is crashing so I hope this isn't a double post.  Has there been any work on diagonal runways (if they are even possible)?

[xiziz 11]

Date: 1/18/2006 10:06:39 AM
Author: generalee7
Hey all, my computer is crashing so I hope this isn't a double post. Has there been any work on diagonal runways (if they are even possible)?

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I Sure hope that those crashes aint related to this pack

Diagonal Runways are possible, with a lot of this and that. One could make textures for every peice and the making of the runway would be a massive jigzaw puzzle. We had someone working on it earlier, though trying it out with BAT's(Overhaning Props) bit it never got finished.

Yes its possible, if the end-user is predared for a long grueling task(like building an airport isnt enough ^^)

Cheers
//Sim

[kaji 0]

well you say you want to make some planes xiziz? well seeing as i couldnt aquire any from scipio for my new new terminal project lol (see simwings thread) =) i'm now trying to figure out how to myself. the best way ive seen by researching flightsim forums is having some drawings of said plane put into gmax's views (top left front) and then using editable polys to trace the shapes. it takes a lot of time and patience and also you need the basic dimensions of said plane for scale issues. i hope the little info i know helps. as i said look at MS flightsims forums, as gmax was supplied with that game and well flighsim has quite a big following so somone must know what they're doing... *goes back into cave to  try and model a 747*

 

~kaji

[xiziz 11]

Thanks kaji, so far ive made two planes, A small fighter and a Large Bomber, they both look weird and reqtangular, im gonna try serching some of the FS forums to se if i can find a small tutorial, since its the round shapes im having difficulty with, and texturing. Id love to get better at making planes, not only since it would be fun to have planes and ships ingame, but also because i think it would help my bat-skill a lot on the way. Making square buildings aint that hard, its just time consuming.

 

The Fighter is already on show in Pakkusena and the bomber will be making an entrance soon enough.

 

Cheers

//Sim