Consumerism

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

While watching TV this evening, I suddenly realized how tolerant of commercial breaks I had become. The program I was watching was K9 Cops on Animal Planet, and in the middle of a police chase episode, from one frame to the next, there was a commercial break for several products. The interruption was annoying because the program had reached a critical point, and this is probably why I noticed.

So the question is: Have commercial breaks become too brash? They are certainly untimely.

Also, are we suffering from information overload?

We seem to be living in a global neighborhood these days. Maybe some ignorance would be bliss?

[Tysons4 68]

yes, commercials and advertising have gotten to the point that ads is the only thing you see on tv anymore.

i think the pharmaceutical companies are the worst.

[TekindusT 3,809]

When the commercial breaks come, I read a book. They get much shorter...

[Zelgadis 638]

Has consumerism gone too far?

I'm afraid we crossed that line back in the '80's, my friend.

ISF

[Easy Bakes 253]

on a 30 minute program there are14 minutes of comercials now.

even clever ads you get wore out on after seeing it 10 times during 1 NFL game.I have always wondered why we see the exact same beer ad 20 times per game,I understand car ads have to be new for each model year,but have they changed bud light? throw out an old classic ad once in a while.

That said most of the TV i watch is recorded and i skip thru the adds, a great time saver.

I know some people who watch sports that way recording the games and watching something else or doing other things for the 1st hour,roll thru the comercial breaks ,1/2 time waste, and they catch up live with about 5-10 minutes left in the game.

Consumerism has gotten out of hand.

[FreewayofFlight 41]

Take your local or national newscast, generally they are given half hour time slots, but only 22 minutes of it is news, the rest is commercials. Primetime hours are worse, I've clocked two minutes plus of non-stop ads. I've gotten into the habit of muting the commercials and playing a CD over it until what I tuned in for comes back on.

[Zelgadis 638]

14 minutes of commercials in a 30 minute program now? Wow... I'm glad I gave up television entirely now. Good thing about video games... They don't have commercials! Yet...

I don't think 16 minutes is really enough time to tell any kind of substantive story. No wonder I decided TV was crap and gave it up...

ISF

[Barbarossa 51]

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  Edited September 8, 2012 by Barbarossa  

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

The title of the thread is intended to be general enough to engender discussion.

It is not limited to advertising. I just felt it was a good starting point. Other good discussion topics include:

Easy credit and its effects.

The "I want" vs. "I need" syndromes.

The investor's nightmare or mutual funds, a trap for the unwary.

I am sure other things will occur to us as the thread broadens.

At the moment, the subject is media advertising, and its contribution information overload. Media commercials must be so expensive to make these days that any given company has a very limited set. I made a point of noticing recently, and the same clip aired for or five times per hour, often on the same show. This is overkill IMHO.

I have heard, but have not verified, that in Germany all commercials air on a special show, and that it is one of the most watched shows. Commercials do not air otherwise. Can a German member confirm or deny this?

[NMUSpidey 3,956]

I rarely watch any tv these days, but when I get back to Japan this will change a little bit. They don't have nearly as many ads during tv shows as we have in the States. As the internet continues to take over, ads will be forced to adapt anyways.

Regarding consumerism, 5 years or so ago I would have ardently argued in favor of it: hey, it makes the economy grow! That's a good thing, right? Now, however, I'm not so sure. There are plenty of interesting things out there to buy, but... Do you need it? I help out part time at a comic book store, and there is SO MUCH merchandise, SO MANY titles that come out every month, and to be honest this is not a vibrant and growing medium. Readership is way down, print runs are very small fractions of what they once were, and there aren't as many people buying the merchandise as there once was. I do not see the point of all that stuff. What do you do with it? Put it on a shelf and look at it? I am personally not super interested in that. I'd rather use whatever I buy, not decorate or stare at it. To each his own, I guess.

Another reason that I'm not really sold on unabated consumerism is my lifestyle. I have moved from the US to Japan to the US, then to college and back to my hometown, then back to Japan, back to the US, and will be returning to Japan once again very soon. This means that we've had to lighten our load with every move, so all the extraneous garbage we've accumulated over the years has been thrown away. It's prevented us from buying stuff we have no use for, and from mortgaging our future on credit cards to buy stuff we can't afford.

I understand that this isn't true for everyone, and you really should be able to pursue whatever hobby you want to (figure or swag collecting in my comic book shop case). But count me out on endlessly consuming junk I don't need.

  Edited March 9, 2011 by NMUSpidey  

[Cobraroll 138]

I live in Norway, where, luckily, commercial breaks haven't gotten totally out of hand yet. It actually made the news when the biggest commercial TV channel had exactly one minute of studio action in a 15-minute break between two halves of a handball game, the last 14 minutes were commercials. We have quite strict laws regarding advertising on TV here, may it always stay like that. For instance, Norwegian-registered TV channels are not allowed to interrupt movies with commercial breaks, and a show has to have at least 25 of every 30 scheduled minutes commercial-free (as far as I can remember, shows shorter than 30 minutes may also have only one commercial break). It also help that we have one state-owned broadcasting network which is entirely advertising-free. If the commercial channels broadcast too many adverts, people just switch over to the good ol' NRK. That's right, no movie or show interruptions, and breaks only between shows or in the eventless midst of sports arrangements. An extra tax is required for every household with a TV, though. Money well spent, I say. Even their websites have no "external" adverts: NRK homepage

Over here, we've always regarded the USA as the place where consumerism has gone completely rampant, as evident by it being impossible to watch TV there, stores being uncannily huge, and everything sold at laughable prices*. Advertising aimed towards children being legal? Check. Adverts for alcohol and tobacco legal? Check and check again. Advertising for pharmaceutics? Political parties? Religious institutions? Not sure, but please tell me I can put red Xs in those boxes...

Also, that thing about easy credit... that's just silly. We all shake our heads and wonder why the country works at all. Also, the fact that your bank basically decides if you can live in your house or not... Really?

*Though, in Norway, things are wickedly expensive, so that might be our view that's skewed, not yours. For instance, a litre of gasoline might cost you about $3 (€2, £1.5) over here nowadays.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Ah for the days when Half time shows showed highlights for most of the time alloted.

Cobraroll :

I think there used to be laws governing how much "content" vs "ads" there could be in a 30 minute broadcast.

I think the FCC used to regulate that,now the FCC is more worried about collecting fines for bad words that get broadcast.

the rules probably never changed and the time for ads didnt get any longer, they just adjusted what the term "Ad" meant.

if im watching a NFL game on FOX and they show those spots for The Simpsons and Family Guy they dont count towards

the ratio since fox receives no money for pluging thier own shows.

Personally i still think its an ad.

As for consumerism it is out of hand.

buying and spending , Easy credit rip offs, - Good Times,Scratchin’ and surviving, - Good Times,Keeping your head above water.......

wait were was I.

Oh yea

None of it seem to coupled with spending within your means. Sure id like new 50 inch HD TV but

iv never in my life spent more the 150 dollars for a Television.

The only reason i got a new car this year is my old one was totaled in an accident that was some one elses fault,other wise id be driveing a 7 year old vehicle.

I wonder if the economy would collapse or flourish if peoples only spent what they could afford?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Well, we are off to a good start.

I am probably a good example of the consumer revolt. I live on cash, entirely within my means, which are small. If you stop buying on credit and only purchase things you need you are well on the way.

Recently, I had to have an oil painting restored. I saved the necessary money by cutting back on other things until I could pay for the restoration ($400.). Just hung the result on my living room wall. This is a large painting and it takes up about 1/5 of the wall. I purchased it for cash in 1965, and it accumulated some junk after being moved a few times. Now cleaned, rebacked, and repaired, it is back to its old glory. It was worth it. I paid $125 for it in 1960 dollars, so I consider $400 for maintenance in current dollars to be pretty cheap when divided over the 45 years I have owned this original oil.

Last fall, I put out the money for a new computer. I saved for that too. My old machine was definitely on its last legs and dying of old age. Unless something goes drastically wrong with this one, I will probably have it until I pass.

I do not have any mobile equipment. It is too costly, and is really just an electronic leash. I am not a dog, and I refuse to be dogged.

So, I am out of fashion. I don't care, and neither should anyone else. You need an iPod or an iTablet like you need a hole in the head, especially if you already have another computer. There is an argument to be made for students to have a laptop or notebook computer. A basic mobile phone is good to have if you travel a lot.

Electronic junk is exactly that. You don't need it most of the time, but have been hyped into it. Ah, the wonders of peer pressure resulting from advertising, eh? You new whatzis was obsolete when you walked out of the store, and there is no trade in. All this electronic stuff is unhealthy. People are becoming more and more sedentary, and obesity is endemic. The population needs to go for a one hour walk, daily, with or without your dog.

GPS systems for automobiles are a luxury that are not used, and cannot be used. as intended, as long as cars are confined to roads. They are aids to navigation, primarily aimed at ships at sea, and aircraft, that navigate the trackless waters and skies. How often do your really use yours in your car? Most people simply go from hither to yon by memory. (Yes, I know they have road maps built-in and are capable of finding alternate routes. So what? You can't read a road map?) For orienteering, there could be some argument for having a hand portable. Things are being abused, simply because they exist. Mind you, the price drop from when GPS systems first came out for yachts, has been brought to you by the automotive industry.

I have an NTSC video system for entertainment. It is old, has a CRT, weights about a hundred pounds, and works just fine. Why should I need an HD system? Oh gee! I might miss seeing some detail that my limited vision can't see anyway. Who cares. My cable provider gives me what I want, and HD channels seem to be converted acceptably. I am quite happy if my set is used for letter box format, but I can handle the old format as well. My HiFi receiver is disconnected since I moved 9 months ago, as is my DVD/RW player/recorder. I am coming to the conclusion that I don't need them. If I want to watch a DVD movie, my computer does the job, and its sound is pretty good, too. How many systems does an old widower need?

If I were wealthy, I don't think I would change anything, except I would go out to more theater and events. I would probably also take vacations in unlikely places. Flying anywhere is white knuckles for me these days, so I will go by surface transport, no matter how long it takes. The only saving here is the airport angst. Ocean voyages are attractive to me, especially if the ship is sail driven with an auxiliary engine. I like the idea of a Windstar vacation. Old sailors never die, they just go to sea.

[Easy Bakes 253]

there is a movement to provide students with E-readers like a kindle or something like it.the price for new books for every kid each year is probably more expensive then an E reader would be. I guess the thinking is these would be cheaper then laptops for those kids who dont have PC's or internet at home.the new texts could just be downloaded when needed or updated.

[Duke87 1,070]

With regards to advertising, it's basically akin to a worsening addiction to drugs. You develop a tolerance, so you need to take more to get a buzz. Well, same way with advertising: people have become desensitized to it, so you need to bombard them with more of it for them to notice.

There's also a predator-prey game at work. As consumers find more ways to avoid or ignore advertising, advertisers come up with creative new ways to shove it in people's faces and make it unavoidable. People skip or ignore commercial breaks? Put advertising during the show. People install an adblocker on their browser? Put your ads in a directory with other images so it doesn't catch them, and makes it so blocking the directory also blocks things necessary for the site to function properly.

As for gadget culture, I will concur that it is over the top... but it must be understood that there are tradeoffs in life with this sort of thing. Especially when you're young, there is a very fine line between not giving in to peer pressure and not meeting people's expectations of you. There are many things which nobody needs, but which living without is socially inconvenient. For example, I resisted using Facebook for quite a while, but eventually I had to give in - because people simply have an expectation that they will be able to interact with me that way, and if they cannot, it is a very real barrier to friendship.

Or, if you want an even better example (but that's not tech related): alcohol. Try going through college absolutely refusing to drink until you turn 21 and see how that works for you. I suffered big time for that one.

Now, I don't fundamentally have a problem with the idea of materialism. People will want stuff, people can buy stuff. That's fine and dandy. The problem isn't consumerism, the problem is that people's desires exceed their paychecks and they lack the self-control to reconcile that. And, if I may put on my extra-strength cynicism cap for a moment... it's a trap of human stupidity and self-indulgent entitlement. Nobody likes being told they can't have what they want. Give them a means of believing otherwise and they will jump on it, no matter how glaringly unsustainable it is. The average man lacks the intelligence and the foresight to properly comprehend and handle debt. Everyone just thinks short-term and worry's about what's later later - despite the seemingly obvious fact that later there will be a problem and it won't just go away by not thinking about it. The dirty little secret your parents never told you is that most so-called responsible adults are not, in fact, all that responsible.

[Easy Bakes 253]

. For example, I resisted using Facebook for quite a while, but eventually I had to give in - because people simply have an expectation that they will be able to interact with me that way, and if they cannot, it is a very real barrier to friendship.

Seriously? you gave in because of other peoples expectations?

The friends i have are friends because i spent time with them actually doing stuff.

people i know on line are "Acquaintances" thats how it should be.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

there is a movement to provide students with E-readers like a kindle or something like it.the price for new books for every kid each year is probably more expensive then an E reader would be. I guess the thinking is these would be cheaper then laptops for those kids who dont have PC's or Internet at home.the new texts could just be downloaded when needed or updated.

There are problems with these gadgets:

• How do you make notes in the margins?
• How do you keep them in a library?
• What does it cost to download a book?

I'll take my books on paper, thank you. I can give away or recycle the ones I don't want/need to keep.

I also like the feel of a book in my hands, and I like to be able to mark specific passages, even underline or highlight them. Sometimes I even dog-ear pages. A hunk of metal and plastic with a screen doesn't much lend itself to this.

Electronic books are a myth. The fascination with them cannot overcome seven hundred years of books. The printed page on good paper is a very nearly permanent record, no batteries required.

[Easy Bakes 253]

I agree about books, put a book in my hands rather then areader. that is for casual reading.

I personaly love the fact that my technical and parts manuals are all on my laptop.saves me having to keep these huge volumes

in my car to use when I need them. back up copys on DVD and in another computer.

[q]There are problems with these gadgets:

• How do you make notes in the margins?
• How do you keep them in a library?
• What does it cost to download a book?

[/q]

1. on seperate paper?

2. think the kids would take them home. return them after the school year.

3. for a school you would think they would download from the schools servers.

[nathanthemayor 1,261]

Sometimes i get impatient when there are too many commutrials, or ones that are repeated(Like magiccack).

[beebs 129]

there is a movement to provide students with E-readers like a kindle or something like it.the price for new books for every kid each year is probably more expensive then an E reader would be. I guess the thinking is these would be cheaper then laptops for those kids who dont have PC's or Internet at home.the new texts could just be downloaded when needed or updated.

There are problems with these gadgets:

• How do you make notes in the margins?
• How do you keep them in a library?
• What does it cost to download a book?

I'll take my books on paper, thank you. I can give away or recycle the ones I don't want/need to keep.

I also like the feel of a book in my hands, and I like to be able to mark specific passages, even underline or highlight them. Sometimes I even dog-ear pages. A hunk of metal and plastic with a screen doesn't much lend itself to this.

Electronic books are a myth. The fascination with them cannot overcome seven hundred years of books. The printed page on good paper is a very nearly permanent record, no batteries required.

Carving into stone is the most permanent way to keep records.. and I don't think we do that too much anymore.

I certainly can't deny that printed books will probably always have a market. But e-readers are becoming a very appealing option for more and more consumers. Think about it - going on vacation, you can bring your entire library collection with you. You don't have to lug around that brick with you if you decide to read War & Peace or something. Downloaded books are generally cheaper than printed versions, as one would expect them to be. If you're an avid book buyer, e-readers will save you in the long run. As for borrowing books, it would not be hard to set up a borrowing system, where the file "expires" after 2 weeks. iTunes does this already with movie rentals. I think this is actually done in some places.. (I don't have one, myself, so I can't say for sure.)

They certainly aren't for everybody, but the technology is really great, especially for university students. With so many journal articles, etc. on PDF form on online databases, it's such a convenience thing to be able to download it to your iPad/Kindle/Kobo/whatever and sit and read it on there. I can only imagine being able to download all my textbooks onto my iPad/Kindle/Kobo/whatever instead of carrying obscene numbers of books to school every day.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

For students, one of the problem with loading all your texts and reference materials on one gadget is that it makes cross-referencing rather difficult. How many times have you sat at home or in a library with five or six texts or journals open on the table so you could take material from each as you worked? I think a single page viewer would slow one down to the point that you would head for the library.

All things being equal a laptop with a big screen and mutliple windows is the best if you want to avoid all the toxic paper that has been handled by who knows whom. If the e-book device can only handle one window at a time, it will never replace a good PC on which you can not only research but write and format your article at the same time.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Noone going to try to answer my question?

"I wonder if the economy would collapse or flourish if people only spent what they could afford? "

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Noone going to try to answer my question?

"I wonder if the economy would collapse or flourish if people only spent what they could afford? "

Ah, back to topic.

The answer is there would be a dislocation for a while, then things would adjust. People are resilient.

You realize that most TV channels would be off the air and many newspapers would go broke? The credit card outfits and their banks would be in real trouble, and currencies would probably be deflated. It would make the 1930s look like a Sunday school picnic. A population adjustment would occur. Suicides on Mad Ave. and starvation elsewhere.

As an individual, I have dropped out of this merry round, but if everyone did, it would be a mess.

This medicine would have to be taken one sip at a time.

  Edited March 11, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[Easy Bakes 253]

Ipad 2 came out.today

prepare for the fury and a lot of I pad's for sale.

  Edited March 12, 2011 by Easy Bakes  

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Ipad 2 came out.today

prepare for the fury and a lot of I pad's for sale.

One of these days Apple is going to throw a party, and nobody will come. That is one company that deserves to be pruned.

[Loney 22]

Excessive ads are inflated by two factors:

1. Stupidity of humans, causing them to fall for ridiculous ads and not thinking long term.

2. Marketing tactics employed by businesses.

GPS systems for automobiles are a luxury that are not used, and cannot be used. as intended, as long as cars are confined to roads. They are aids to navigation, primarily aimed at ships at sea, and aircraft, that navigate the trackless waters and skies. How often do your really use yours in your car? Most people simply go from hither to yon by memory. (Yes, I know they have road maps built-in and are capable of finding alternate routes. So what? You can't read a road map?) For orienteering, there could be some argument for having a hand portable. Things are being abused, simply because they exist. Mind you, the price drop from when GPS systems first came out for yachts, has been brought to you by the automotive industry.

I have an NTSC video system for entertainment. It is old, has a CRT, weights about a hundred pounds, and works just fine. Why should I need an HD system? Oh gee! I might miss seeing some detail that my limited vision can't see anyway. Who cares. My cable provider gives me what I want, and HD channels seem to be converted acceptably. I am quite happy if my set is used for letter box format, but I can handle the old format as well. My HiFi receiver is disconnected since I moved 9 months ago, as is my DVD/RW player/recorder. I am coming to the conclusion that I don't need them. If I want to watch a DVD movie, my computer does the job, and its sound is pretty good, too. How many systems does an old widower need?

-GPS

They do serve as a nice backup when your road maps aren't detailed or up to date enough, assuming the GPS is regularly updated as well. But relying them to the point that you don't realize that you're driving on a one-way road the wrong direction (or someone forbid, into a building), then that's a problem. However, anything that is over-relied on is bound to cause massive pain when it fails.

-HDTV/HD

When I watch videos on youtube on my 16 inch laptop screen, I strongly dislike any resolution that is lower than 720p if I want to watch it in widescreen. I can easily identify chunks of blurred pixels in the video, even without widescreen mode. Sometime words in the video also get blurred or pixeled, which isn't a problem unless if I can't identify what the person(s) are saying or I'm curious. Other times I actually want to see something clearly instead of everything in a pixeled or blurry blob of something. If my 40 inch TV was using analog or 360p/420p? I wouldn't mind the lower resolution, unless if I can easily see the chunky pixels or its quite evident that the display is excessively blurry, which is very hard to avoid in lower resolution feeds.

I'm pretty sure back during the early years of color TVs, many people thought; "Nothing interesting about colored pictures, my black-and-white TVs are perfectly fine." and during the early years of black-and-white TVs, many people thought; "Nothing interesting about motion pictures, my radios are perfectly fine."

I'm also sure that when the first personal computers entered the market, many people thought; "Nothing interesting about the computers, my calculators, pencils, pens, erasers and papers are perfectly fine."

Ipad 2 came out.today

prepare for the fury and a lot of I pad's for sale.

This is what I think of iPad 2:

http://video.teamcoco.com/video/conan.jsp?oid=245467&eref=sharethisUrl

Noone going to try to answer my question?

"I wonder if the economy would collapse or flourish if people only spent what they could afford? "

Ah, back to topic.

The answer is there would be a dislocation for a while, then things would adjust. People are resilient.

You realize that most TV channels would be off the air and many newspapers would go broke? The credit card outfits and their banks would be in real trouble, and currencies would probably be deflated. It would make the 1930s look like a Sunday school picnic. A population adjustment would occur. Suicides on Mad Ave. and starvation elsewhere.

As an individual, I have dropped out of this merry round, but if everyone did, it would be a mess.

This medicine would have to be taken one sip at a time.

The US Great Depression was partially caused by consumers being loaded with debts. Debts are good in the good times like alcohol, but horrific in the bad times, like the hangover from one too many bottle of booze.

If few of the consumers were loaded with small amount of debts instead of a major portion of them being loaded with debts, the 2007-2009/10 recession wouldn't have hit the US so badly.

  Edited March 12, 2011 by Loney  

[FreewayofFlight 41]

Even though I was born right when technology started taking off, I am a surprisingly basic person:

-My cell phone is mostly for talk and text, I don't have GPS, Internet, or any kind of 'App' on my phone.

-My TV is a 27 inch glass tube with a converter box

-No Cable because I refuse to pay for a ton of channels I will never watch.

-I will never, EVER buy an Apple Product!

-I prefer a road atlas over a GPS, I don't want some female voice telling me to 'Turn Right Ahead' when I know where I am going! Plus, I like to open up a map on my spare time and browse through Utah or Toronto.

-I only have 3 cards, my bank card, a credit union card, and a Firestone Auto Care Card, I don't trust the giant banks like Chase and Bank of America.

[paubl 1]

We all agree here that on primetime shows, all we see are advertisements. Though our exposure to it, made us just this commercials in passing. We do not mind them that much anymore though it confirms what we have previously known. We cannot react to this because this is the only way our favourite shows are staying on that screen. Without commercials, there would be no other way but out.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

We all agree here that on primetime shows, all we see are advertisements. Though our exposure to it, made us just this commercials in passing. We do not mind them that much anymore though it confirms what we have previously known. We cannot react to this because this is the only way our favourite shows are staying on that screen. Without commercials, there would be no other way but out.

If Pollyanna was a fatalist, you would fit the bill. Most of the people who advertise on the boob tube wouldn't exist without it. Good riddance, I say. I tend to not buy from outfits that advertise on TV during prime-time. They infuriate me.

I am probably one of the few on this forum who remember live TV performances of major works. The people who sponsored those shows had the decency not to interrupt a performance mid-act to insert come banal ad for a cleaning product. And yet, many of these shows were sponsored by soap companies. One of the most important of these shows was Studio One, and I think the sponsor was Proctor and Gamble. How would you react to a commercial for Ivory Snow in the middle of the Dance of the Seven Veils performed by the young and nubile Eartha Kitt? That performance in 1955 was my introduction to grand opera (Salome by Richard Strauss, with Kitt, and Peter Ustinov as Herod).

Of course, if you want to watch something of substance now, you need to watch a PBS station, preferably when they are not begging. I hope everyone supports their local public TV station.

Indecency, thy name is Mad AV.

  Edited March 13, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[Easy Bakes 253]

We all agree here that on primetime shows, all we see are advertisements. Though our exposure to it, made us just this commercials in passing. We do not mind them that much anymore though it confirms what we have previously known. We cannot react to this because this is the only way our favorite shows are staying on that screen. Without commercials, there would be no other way but out.

If Pollyanna was a fatalist, you would fit the bill. Most of the people who advertise on the boob tube wouldn't exist without it. Good riddance, I say. I tend to not buy from outfits that advertise on TV during prime-time. They infuriate me.

I am probably one of the few on this forum who remember live TV performances of major works. The people who sponsored those shows had the decency not to interrupt a performance mid-act to insert come banal ad for a cleaning product. And yet, many of these shows were sponsored by soap companies. One of the most important of these shows was Studio One, and I think the sponsor was Proctor and Gamble. How would you react to a commercial for Ivory Snow in the middle of the Dance of the Seven Veils performed by the young and nubile Eartha Kitt? That performance in 1955 was my introduction to grand opera (Salome by Richard Strauss, with Kitt, and Peter Ustinov as Herod).

Of course, if you want to watch something of substance now, you need to watch a PBS station, preferably when they are not begging. I hope everyone supports their local public TV station.

Indecency, thy name is Mad AV.

of course now that the congress is pulling federal funding from PBS

I expect a slow decline then they will be gone. or them to switch to having more ads then just sponsors before the shows.

no more Brit coms

  Edited March 13, 2011 by Easy Bakes