simmars-forum-threads Utilities Buildings

[the_new_simman 5]

Okay this is Mars so we are going to need crewative thinking. I am going to sort my ideas under subheadings and such.

 

Power https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/3.gif> 

We should have more high tech power plants on Mars right. Here are som Power Plant Ideas. Give me the juice.

 

1. Solar Wind Power Planet. (This is almost the same thing as a regular Wind Power Plant but it catch solar winds from the sun. This power plant turns Magnetic Waves into power for the city. This is the least power plant avalible, but does not pollute at all.)

 

2. Nuclear Volcano Power Plant (This power plant uses the force of magma from under the ground to make plenty of power to power a city size up to 100,000.)

 

3. Fusion Power Plant (This is the exact same thing as in Simcity Regular, but is powered by spliting atoms)

 

4. Nuclear Fusion Power Plant (This power plant will create heat so hot that it can split and Hydrogen Atom to make Helium. This is very dangerous though because if it melt down it will wipe out your entire City.)

 

This is my Post on Power Plants. Look Down One to See my post one water.https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/16.gif>  

[the_new_simman 5]

Okay you saw my post on power plants now I am going to cover Water Plants and Garbage. (I am not a go name maker upper so please don't critize me.

 

Water Utilities

 

1. Pump Station (Same thing as in the Regular Simcity)

 

2. Hydrogen Fuel Cell Plant (This is a Plant that produces water and it produces power. The water is a by product of Hydrogen Fuel Cells right? So I thought it would use the by product as water. It would be able to serve the city population of 50,000.

 

Garbage Plants

 

1. Landfill (Same thing as in Simcity Regular Version)

 

2. Garbage Box (This Plant is very special be cause you only have to build one. But the monthly cost is very hefty. What happens is when the building is full to capacity it goes through a procese called Uberdobucker. That is when all of the garbage is zapped so it is only 1 square inch.) Monthly Cost: $25,000

 

I hope you liked some of my ideas.

[Vatt3 8]

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On 3/8/2004 3:55:46 PM the_new_simman wrote:

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Fusion Power Plant

(This is the exact same thing as in Simcity Regular, but is powered by spliting atoms)

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. Nuclear Fusion Power Plant

(This power plant will create heat so hot that it can split and Hydrogen Atom to make Helium. This is very dangerous though because if it melt down it will wipe out your entire City.)

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Okay fusion is combining two atoms of hydrogen to make helium and not splitting apart (that's fission). Both options you suggested are the same thing.

Another thing, the skeptical people are thinking of our current knowledge. This is 50 to 100 years in the future. The computer has progressed so much in the last 10 years, imagine if the same happened to fusion technology.

Not sure about your Volcano/Magma tapping one either, elaborate more on that one.

[GouRou 2]

Fusion can go a long way in 100 years, the fact that it's possible at all is a testament to how far the theory of it has come. we WILL use the fusion plant for our nitrogen supply, or A plant, I'm not sure, but it's just something we have to do, because it's all we can do

[the_new_simman 5]

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On 3/8/2004 4:19:08 PM Vatt3 wrote:

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On 3/8/2004 3:55:46 PM the_new_simman wrote:

3.

Fusion Power Plant

(This is the exact same thing as in Simcity Regular, but is powered by spliting atoms)

4

. Nuclear Fusion Power Plant

(This power plant will create heat so hot that it can split and Hydrogen Atom to make Helium. This is very dangerous though because if it melt down it will wipe out your entire City.)

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Okay fusion is combining two atoms of hydrogen to make helium and not splitting apart (that's fission). Both options you suggested are the same thing.

Another thing, the skeptical people are thinking of our current knowledge. This is 50 to 100 years in the future. The computer has progressed so much in the last 10 years, imagine if the same happened to fusion technology.

Not sure about your Volcano/Magma tapping one either, elaborate more on that one.
----------------Okay I will tell you a bit more about the Magma Power Plant. It will use the force of pressure from the magma trying to burst from the ground and transform that pressure into energy for the city. Is that better. Ohhh, and I ment to combain the atoms. I got that one a little reversed. How do you like my other ideas? https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/21.gif>

[the_new_simman 5]

Okay, i just wanted to let you know i am in the Text Editing Team. So if you want me to make a new desciption for any building just PM. Thanks. THan I will PM you and you can tell me if you like. I will also PM my Team Leader.

[GouRou 2]

mars is not tectonically active, you'd have to dig for about.. 20 miles? to get down through even a thin piece of crust, even magma wouldnt want to come that far, it would have little pressure when it hit the top. and besides, that only works if the magma flows, otherwise it will cool and harden in the tube...right?

[The Great Chozo 34]

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On 3/8/2004 5:51:52 PM GouRou wrote:

Fusion can go a long way in 100 years, the fact that it's possible at all is a testament to how far the theory of it has come. we WILL use the fusion plant for our nitrogen supply, or A plant, I'm not sure, but it's just something we have to do, because it's all we can do

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When you said fusion plant, it got me thinking. With all the talented BATters we have here, I think it is possible for at least one of them to create a revamped and beautiful fusion plant that is based on the one in SC3K and SC3KU.

Just a thought.

Chozo

[SIMpleton 2]

I made a simple BAT model with my very limited experience of an oxygen plant.

 

Here is the concept drawing by Hirachi_Dinavo:

https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/files/Mars21.JPG border=0>

Here is my basic model thus far:

The domes and tubes are actually a semi-transparent glasslike material... I wasnt sure if we had outlawed the glass dome idea yet, so I can always change that. I still have alot to learn about gmax before I can contend

 

I'll try to gussy it up a little and post a rendered shot later

 

[thegood 5]

I'm thinking back to SimEarth. In that game they had buildings that produced O2 CO2 water vapor and nitrogen. What if we made a building that had to be placed at the start of the game that created a livable atmosphere.

[Daeley 46]

hey simpleton, looking good so far! keep it up

 

and thegood, well that's what we are doing... creating buildings that are supposed to look like purifiers

[MC6Ash 4]

ok guys, I need a confirmation on the fission arguement so I can post what we'll be making, I have allready designed the nuclear and sent it to GouRou, so shall we keep it? or is there any update on the fission problem.
~MI6Ash~

[Techleo 18]

Suddenly the old Seirra game Outpost seems like a good game to dig into agian. Im doing a basic scan of the structures they involved in colonizing space. From what i rember all there structures were based on fact. Since most of them were Nasa based.

[Techleo 18]

Water Systems-
Intial colonists will need to draw water from recycling. Making mines take time. As such id like there to be SPEW (Sewage Processing and Enviromental Waste) Centers. These centers will actualy keep what water and material are shipped with the colonists intact and useable. Each spew would allow two water boreholes per each. As a spew could only clean that much water each.
Lastly Id suspect a amount of the water would be drawn from solid waste shipped from earth. Such as food and fuel cells. This would allow a stable and meaningful water system.Lastly of course would be a dual teir of sturcture sizes. Thus Small Spew = two small boreholes, Large Spew= 4 of course.
Power Systems-
Solar plants would be the obvious choice. Modern solar cells already draw many times more power then previous ones. With the current rate of power draw by 2050 solar power could keep a large city going. Tho the solar panels would prolly take a large area of land. I just hate the solar power plants in Simcity 4 now. They realy need a small single one to form feilds of them like windmills. Better designed then the one that came out. Lastly take into consideration we already have the technology that a unname car company bought the rights for so we CANT use it. This Tech allows for power to be passed thru a cannister of metal spheres. The spheres when charges draw electrons from water. This means what power we make can be magnified if we have water. Meaning all power plants we have can produce more power.
Solid Trash-
Duh, good ol recycling plants.A SMP Center(Solid Materials Processing) will essentialy keep what materials we have in useable order. Build more mines to get more materials to recycle. Id like to see each SMP Center be able to recycle 3 mines worth of trash production. Making SMP economicaly feasible. More mines can be built of course then you can recycle, making good ol fashioned surface trash feilds a must. Sidenote- Id suspect surface trash would have a much less important impact on a martian colony tell the planet is terraformed.
Materials & Industries-
Id like to see a new factor added to the Simcity 4 system. Id like Industry to be such that you need materials to run the darn manufturing plants. Build one mine, which allows you to build certain industrial centers. Build more mines which gives more plants. You get the grind. What it does tho is make it feel like your building a colony, not a city. Cities on earth can draw materials from other cities. On mars you need limits to feel the reality of not beings to borrow other cities materials. Mind you id like mines to have Regional limits. So that when you do build a second city it gets more like earth and you can have themed cities. On the themes of industries thats up to imagination, but what industrial buildings you build would be to hard to factor into which other buildings can be built. TO many structures to factor is NOT fun.

[Equinox 1,218]

*cough* COLD FUSION REACTORS! *cough*

Cheap, basic, rudimentary ... and clean, too.  https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/9.gif>

 

https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/files/ColdFusionReactors.JPG border=0>

[Techleo 18]

The key drawback of true fusion is A- you deal with lots of heat in a Tokmahaks model of fusion or B- you transfer energy that is heat thru chemical processes into radiation. Now thats not to say we wont discover a new means to disperse heat. I dont think its likely. More likely is we'll surrender fusion for some time in the favor of Biological-Solar or Energy Stripping generators. We already know a plant can make electricty as some plants in Amazon deomstrated. The trick is simply altering the plants to create electricity not seeds. Think living Solar panels. Solar also is becoming much better in the current methods. Materials are improving and there are attempts to make each scale of the solar panel to seek the sun rathen then the whole panel. IE more exposure to sun at all times. Now as i said above energy stripping is my favorite. Simply fill cannister with water, insert Heavy element spheres, feed current, watch the wonderful spheres make a magnectic resonace that strips electrons and wallow in the electricity. Oh and the current energy stripping tech is a 10x process, ten times more comes out then goes into the cannisters. A damn shame that car company i wont name for fear of sueing bought the rights.

[GouRou 2]

you can lessen the heat by fusing higher weight elements, we need fusion for creating our nitrogen, but nitrogen will give off a lot less heat to make then hydrogen would, so we can have a fairly low energy reactor that simply churns out gasses. I know that we have the problem of radioactivity, but we also have at least 50 years to figure it out.

[Equinox 1,218]

I'd say regardless of what we decide the mechanics will be of these more advanced-yet-not-uber-fancy plants will be, I think we should use the idea of the screenshot I just posted -- it's futuristic and yet simple. Also, for the cheapo nuke reactor, we could use the Chinese Nucear Reactor for inspiration ... It looks a tad more rustic.

[GouRou 2]

we need multiple types of power, with differing price ranges and capabilities, so we can technically have it every which way with an uber plant for those truly expensive cities.

[SIMpleton 2]

I see everyone talking about new, powerful, clean technologies, but I havent really seen anyone talking about the need for dirty power. In my opinion, there needs to be some sort of counterpart to coal: cheap, but with a big drawback.

[talkblah00009 47]

i'm not really on any team (yet) but i do have a concept for an oxygen plant.i saw that layout that SIMpleton made and I came up with a similar idea for an oxygen pumping tank, its not that good, but its a concept....

[Vatt3 8]

For now any fusion we do will be the normal type. Cold fusion was never proven to be possible (at least that's what I thought). It seems that we've got Fusion Power plants, Solar Power plants, but we don't have much of anything else. Like Simpleton said, there has to be some other choices, and cheaper, dirtier one's at that.

[The Great Chozo 34]

GouRou posted a lot about the electrostatic charge that is present in Mars' dust storms (Harshness of Mars..... thread)

 

What if we created a power plant that was located in remote area of the planet where dust storms are prevalent. These power plants would harness this static charge in the dust storms and convert it into usable energy.

 

Just a thought

 

Chozo

[talkblah00009 47]

sounds like a very interesting notion, but how would these power plants look?

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On 3/12/2004 4:14:57 PM The Great Chozo 

GouRou posted a lot about the electrostatic charge that is present in Mars' dust storms (Harshness of Mars..... thread)

 

What if we created a power plant that was located in remote area of the planet where dust storms are prevalent. These power plants would harness this static charge in the dust storms and convert it into usable energy.

 

Just a thought

 

Chozo

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[The Great Chozo 34]

I would say that the power collecting pieces would actually look fairly simple. Say a collection of spires resembling lighting rods, or some sort of web made out of a good conductor that is suspended in the air. There are many possibilities. These plants could even be made as small and simple as the windmills, and most likely even have the same power producing numbers and lifespan.

 

TGC

[talkblah00009 47]

how about have it so there are different size types, some like wind-power plants and others the size of coal power plants, each would produce different amounts of energy, and since it's powered by the dust-storm static there shouldn't be much if any pollution.https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/10.gif>

[SIMpleton 2]

I got a mental image of some spires with wires trailing from them in the wind.

[talkblah00009 47]

how about like 2 long poles with like a bunch of electrical wires in the between them? like the ones i have circled in the picture below.....

it's a bad drawing, made it very quicklyhttps://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/23.gif>

[GouRou 2]

here on earth there is a place where there are acres of lightning rods all evenly spaced and heighted, a simple field like this would pick up a LOT of charge as a storm passes over, and would snap up the dust at the same time too, so imagine a dusty plain of hundreds of poles about 8 feet tall. since we're catching static, and not lightning, simple domes at the top would make good storage areas for the static, with a wire running down the center of the pole to conductors in the ground. this would in fact be dirty, as simp wants, think about all of that dust that would collect! it's hard to make a dirty industry on mars, mainly because any pollution is a waste of gases that it would be ill advised to waste.

[The Great Chozo 34]

I just remembered seeing something on the Discovery channel about that electricity farm GouRou, good point.

 

I like your point that it could be dirty as well, could we actually use all that trapped dust for something?????https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/23.gif>

 

Dirty idustry on Mars, hmm in our case I think that the Dirty will actually be referring more to solid waste instead of air pollution.

 

We could model about 3 or 4 towers with collectors on top, that are all different heights, so someone could piece them all together and create the type of antenna farm you are talking about.

 

TGC

 

I said this is chat. Alternate power source. It is possible to collect methane gas on Mars, but on a personal level. Let me explain. We franchise Taco Bell on Mars, and then about 1 1/2 hours after someone ate lunch, they would have their own little source of Methane Gas to use for fuel. https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/9.gif>https://community.simtropolis.com/assets/emoticons/9.gif>

(this is a joke of course)