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[tigerplayer91 3]

Well Im pretty sure Zelgadis was just joking,

I agree with you.

I am a normal gay lol Ive never dragged before or anything of

the sort. But meh like I said I think he was just kidding around

[collgab 10]

welcome tigerplayer91

[tigerplayer91 3]

thanks collgab! : ]

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

So I think this would be a safe place to do so...

After 19 years of being in the closet, I'm out...

You guys are the first to know.

I'm just tired of telling lies about myself, it's time to get real.

[Boggy1 45]

Psycho_Teddy: Welcome psycho! Bizarrely, I always knew/thought you weren't straight...did you ever tell me before? If not, my gaydar must be better than I thought

Oh, and also, just had my eight month anniversary with my significant other

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: Boggy1 Psycho_Teddy: Welcome psycho! Bizarrely, I always knew/thought you weren't straight...did you ever tell me before? If not, my gaydar must be better than I thought

Oh, and also, just had my eight month anniversary with my significant other quote>

Well I've never really been the most masculine one on ST

But no, I haven't told anyone up until this point.

I've had a couple of gay co-workers kinda point out how obvious it was to them lol.

Grats on your 8-month!

[Zelgadis 638]

Yay! New member!

Now go get a cuter avatar.

ISF

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: zelgadis Yay! New member!

Now go get a cuter avatar.

ISF

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Done!

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

So I finally got the guts to come out to a couple of friends/co-workers today... It's tough to do though, but they took it pretty well... It's going to take me a while for closer friends/family though... Man, this is going to get rough, I can tell...

[Zelgadis 638]

Not that I'm intimately familiar with your situation, but you might be surprised. When I told people, I was quite surprised at how little reaction I got from them. In the end, it turned out to pretty much be a non-issue. Good luck with it though.

ISF

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

I don't know honestly... Ohio has a lot, and I mean a lot of homophobic people, mainly my dad and his family, most of my friends, I see it everywhere. It was just something that I was raised against. And now... I really don't have a choice.

I appreciate the support I'm getting here though You guys help a lot, always do

[Zelgadis 638]

On that note, I know what you mean. I'm from Kentucky. I suppose I'm just lucky I have a family who just wants me to be happy.

ISF

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

Originally posted by: zelgadis On that note, I know what you mean. I'm from Kentucky. I suppose I'm just lucky I have a family who just wants me to be happy.

ISF

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Yeah, I'm hoping I get the same reaction.  It's been interesting to see how some people react though. I always thought it was obvious.  I mean, if you've ever seen me in person, you'd be able to tell very quickly.  I'm not particularly feminine or anything, but my mannerisms throw up some red (or purple, I guess ) flags.  Quite an experience this week.

[patriots_1228 51]

hmmm....are you sure your coworkers didn't brainwash you?

[Psycho_Teddy 25]

No I'm positive... I've been this way for a very long time. I thought I was doing a good job of hiding it until:

A.) I saw a video that my mom recorded a while back, I couldn't look any gayer

B.) The gay guys at work pointed it out

I've always found men more attractive, since puberty, I just thought I was doing a good job of covering it up...

[Craig-Abcvs 1,595]

zelgadis

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Nice to see your bunny back..  I was beginning to get a bit worried about him.  

[futurearchitect 0]

Congratulations on opening up Psycho_Teddy!, I can only imagine how hard it must of been to live with that secret for that long. There have been some issues with close friends/families of mine so I can almost understand. My aunt's husband left her and their four kids after he realized he was gay. I'm not sure how long he knew, but I feel really bad for him as well as his kids. I think he did the right thing in not covering it up any longer, even though my cousins must feel really strange knowing their birth father is homosexual.

A couple months ago, my best friend who is pretty shy (although not as shy as me lol) started asking out a girl from school. We both find it difficult to find hopeful relationships (guy friends or girlfriends) because 90% of the pop. is arrogant, stuck-up, and prejudice, sexist, homophobic, etc...lol, but anyway, he really connected with this girl, but she would never go out with him. She made normal excuses after a while and then finally said that her parents wouldn't let her date until she was 17 or 18. So my friend waited until then and tried again. Finally she told him that she is a lesbian. I guess she's been keeping it from most of her friends, and even her dad! But boy was my friend crushed when he found that out...so I guess it can actually hurt NOT to tell too.

Well that's just some of my experiences. I've had some good gay friends and bad ones, just like any other person. G-L-B-T find out what they can do for me! C-A-R-E Care, Accept, Respect in Ernest

...that was just some dumb little blip I typed out....

[Wrightguy0 40]

Today I am disgusted, shocked and angry at California's decision to uphold Prop 8, a gay marriage ban. Prop 8's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage after the california supreme court overturned previous bans on gay marriage is taking away rights already granted to california's gay population and therefore should be considered unconstitutional.

[s.i.X 13]

It's going back to the courts. It will probably be struck down. It was only narrowly passed, too. They should have required a 60% majority to pass it, like Florida did for the repealing of a law banning Asians from owning property there. (It's still illegal for them to do so.)

[Boggy1 45]

That Prop 8 thing is scary! I hope it does get shot down in courts.

On an entirely unrelated note, it's coming up to Neil and I's one year anniversary, which coincidentally comes one day after his birthday. He told me I'm not allowed to combine his birthday and anniversary gifts in one present so I need to buy two suitable ones.

Thing is, I'm really quite stuck. I'm rubbish at present buying, I once spent 5 hours looking through various shops for a birthday present and didn't buy ONE THING!

So, any suggestions?

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Wrightguy0  Prop 8's constitutional amendment banning gay marriage after the california supreme court overturned previous bans on gay marriage is taking away rights already granted to california's gay population and therefore should be considered unconstitutional.quote>

Funny thing about that is, the proposition is specifically to amend the constitution so that banning gay marriage is not unconstitutional. Under the current constitution it is, hence why the courts decided the state needed to permit it.

I don't see where the court has any power to nullify this proposition. The people have spoken.

What this really goes to show you, though, is just how dependent on the courts the gay rights movement is. In every state that's allowed gay marriage so far, it's been because the state supreme court ruled it was unconstitutional not to, not because any elected officials passed any legislation or because the people voted for it.

The unfortunate fact of the matter is that a fair majority of the people in this country are very much against gay marriage. It's no wonder every state that's put it to a referendum has shot it down.

There are two key reasons for this. The first is, of course, religious beliefs ("homosexuality is a sin" and all that). The second is just a general "yuck" factor with it. I wouldn't call it homophobia, since the emotion at work here isn't really fear, it's disgust/distaste. People aren't afraid of homosexuality so much as they are grossed out and repulsed by it. They don't want their kids growing up in a society where they have to be exposed to such things. They don't want it to be considered acceptable behavior.

Originally posted by: Boggy1

On an entirely unrelated note, it's coming up to Neil and I's one year anniversary, which coincidentally comes one day after his birthday. He told me I'm not allowed to combine his birthday and anniversary gifts in one present so I need to buy two suitable ones.quote>

Meh. I know the feeling. My birthday is three days after Christmas. I never really have to handle much "gift combining" though, both because my family has in general been throughtful enough not to, and because I have made people well aware that if they can't think of two gifts to get me it is perfectly acceptable to substitute dead presidents for one of them.

I don't know how your boyfriend would feel about you substituting dead kings for one of his gifts, though. I've been under the impression that it's unusual that I find that acceptable, that most people would take getting money as a gift as an insult, an implication that the person giving it couldn't be bothered to get them a "real" gift. But in all honesty, I think it's my favorite gift to recieve - because I can turn it into whatever I want, I don't have to worry about whether I'll like what I'm getting and how much.

I get the snese that this discrepancy is caused by the fact that most people care about the thought behind a gift, whereas I pretty much care solely about the material.

[Wrightguy0 40]

the unfortunate thing about prop 8 is that it was allowed to go as far as it did, I can understand using it before gay marriage legislation passed, but it should not have been considered after the fact, It's taking away rights that were already granted to people. This is also why I think people should not get the chance to vote on civil rights issues, think about if there was a refferendum for LBJ's civil rights act, we would not have a President Obama today.

I know how you feel boggy, I'm a terrible gift shopper too. I never know what to get, I'm always flat broke, and what I do get usually fails to impress.

[Zelgadis 638]

A lot of evidence is pointing towards the fact that the "vote no" supporters ran a horrible campaign.

I don't see a lot of hope in the courts striking this down. But ya never know...

ISF

[s.i.X 13]

A constitutional amendment can be repealed if it conflicts with another, more important part of the constitution.

[summersa74 0]

I guess it's finally time I decide to quit lurking and post here. I'm a closeted (obviously not here anymore) bisexual. A conservative christian bisexual. How's that for strange?

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: summersa74 I guess it's finally time I decide to quit lurking and post here. I'm a closeted (obviously not here anymore) bisexual. A conservative christian bisexual. How's that for strange?quote>

Well, how strange it I would depend on what flavor of Christianity we're talking about.

Not every branch believes in the whole "homosexuality is a choice, question it and you can be cured" thing.

The catholic church, for instance, recognizes that being gay is not a choice, it's something you're born with and stuck with. But what it goes on to say is that if you find yourself to be in that position that you've been called upon by god to leave a life of chastity since you can't be intimate without being sinful. In other words, being gay is something you have no control over, it's having gay sex that's sinful.

Of course, being bisexual is different from being gay in that you're not fundamentally shut off from leading a straight, "normal" lifestyle. If a bisexual guy marries a woman and starts a family, no one would have any idea he wasn't straight unless he told them.

Then again, there are bisexual people who choose to go down the same sex path instead. Classic example: Elton John.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: Duke87

 If a bisexual guy marries a woman and starts a family, no one would have any idea he wasn't straight unless he told them. quote>

Well, he could go out and have an affair with another guy and gets caught.

Which is how bisexuality can "threaten marriage".    Two guys, married to each other, are not a threat to, for instance, my parents' marriage.  But that affair your bisexual guy is having could easily threaten his marriage to his wife.

[summersa74 0]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: summersa74 I guess it's finally time I decide to quit lurking and post here. I'm a closeted (obviously not here anymore) bisexual. A conservative christian bisexual. How's that for strange?quote>

Well, how strange it I would depend on what flavor of Christianity we're talking about.

Not every branch believes in the whole "homosexuality is a choice, question it and you can be cured" thing.

The catholic church, for instance, recognizes that being gay is not a choice, it's something you're born with and stuck with. But what it goes on to say is that if you find yourself to be in that position that you've been called upon by god to leave a life of chastity since you can't be intimate without being sinful. In other words, being gay is something you have no control over, it's having gay sex that's sinful.

Of course, being bisexual is different from being gay in that you're not fundamentally shut off from leading a straight, "normal" lifestyle. If a bisexual guy marries a woman and starts a family, no one would have any idea he wasn't straight unless he told them.

Then again, there are bisexual people who choose to go down the same sex path instead. Classic example: Elton John.quote>

I'm Methodist, so it's probably not a big deal. "Open hearts, open doors, open minds" and all that. I do want a (female) wife and children, I just am attracted to men, too.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Well, he could go out and have an affair with another guy and gets caught.

Which is how bisexuality can "threaten marriage".    Two guys, married to each other, are not a threat to, for instance, my parents' marriage.  But that affair your bisexual guy is having could easily threaten his marriage to his wife.

quote>

Okay, so a bisexual man cheats on his wife and has an affair with another man.

How exactly is that any different from a straight man cheating on his wife and having an affair with another woman?

[threeswept 12]

It isn't any different. He or she is an adulterer no matter sexuality. My perception for bisexuals entering heterosexual marriage is that they may, indeed, be denying their "preferred" preference to accommodate living in an heterosexual environment to please their parents, their religion, their friends, etc. This could then be considered the "threat" to hetero marriage and could be devastating for everyone involved. Otherwise, gay marriage is no threat to hetero marriage in any respect.