Micheal Jackson dies

[Meg 368]

Let's show a little respect for the dead, at least until they are buried, and debate their legacy afterwards.

[Evillions 552]

One of his songs were outstanding and still is. Too bad will we never heard that same voice agian. RIP MJ.

[AndisArt 2,066]

Michael, thanks 4 all the great music and inspiration over so many years! your music will live on! rest in peace

[spa 968]

Talented artist or not, the man was a pedophile (yes he was acquitted and oh by the way Barry Bonds doesn't use steroids and OJ Simpson's innocent too). Would we forgive anyone else for their sins so easily? Does the talented little league coach get a pass too?

[Duke87 1,070]

I don't think he wasn't a peophile. What he was was mentally disturbed. This led to him either actually molesting little boys or merely doing something which looked sorta like it but wasn't... for whatever reason, but not because of pedophilia.

The man was strange enough that I'd consider him quite capable of sleeping in the same bed with little boys but not doing anything remotely sexual.

...but we really don't know for certain. It's impossible to say. It'll just be another mystery that's never solved.

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

[Zelgadis 638]

Originally posted by: Duke87

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

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Since nearly always.  I think that label was cemented after Thriller, 1982.  I think he's been the "King of Pop" longer than you've been alive.  

ISF

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: Duke87

I don't think he wasn't a peophile. What he was was mentally disturbed. This led to him either actually molesting little boys or merely doing something which looked sorta like it but wasn't... for whatever reason, but not because of pedophilia.

The man was strange enough that I'd consider him quite capable of sleeping in the same bed with little boys but not doing anything remotely sexual.

...but we really don't know for certain. It's impossible to say. It'll just be another mystery that's never solved.

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

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He is concidered by some to have been the 1st true 'Pop" star.

The rest of his life's problems  probably stems from having  been in show buissness for his whole life.

Comparing his life to that of Elvis i think is absurd, Elvis didn't become famous untill he's was in his 20s.MJ was famous at 8. A big difference there in how you life veiw would be shaped by your lifestyle.

they end up the same but Elvis most likely  went that way of his own will.MJ may not have had a chioce with a manager for a father an extreem talent at a young age.

[BurroDiablo 222]

I agree with what Duke said, I could imagine him being in the same bed as children, but I could never imagine anything sexual would come of it... when he died on Thursday, he was a 50 year old with the mental age of 10, he'd been like that for over a decade.

I've never been a fan of Jacko's music, I personally found him to be a bit creepy, physically and psychologically, but I never believed at any point he could be a peadophile. It was sad to see people so readily abuse his mental instability and eccentricity in order to get some easy money.

My brother-in-law who suffers from Aspurgers fell victim to something very similar, he was conned into giving a woman he'd met all his money for "Baby things" over the course of 2 months. When he stopped giving her money, she was going to tell the Police he'd abused her Toddler. People who are motivated by greed will so very readily abuse those with disibilities, don't ever forget that.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Zelgadis

Originally posted by: Duke87

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

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Since nearly always.  I think that label was cemented after Thriller, 1982.  I think he's been the "King of Pop" longer than you've been alive. quote>

Meh. "Pop" to me means things like some of Britney Spears' earlier music, or *Nsync. Which is nothing like MJ's music, so the idea that it's the same genre is perplexing. If you asked me, I'd have to categorize it as either "typical 80's music" or "funky dance music". But sure as hell not "pop".

[Meg 368]

In the 80s, this is what pop was.

If that makes any sense.

[snickm 2]

Duke87:

He's been the "King of Pop" for about 25 years. Maybe you should re-evaluate your music categories. Besides, pop just means popular, and he was definitely one of the, if not the most popular musicians in the world.

[Zelgadis 638]

"Typical 80's music" is not a genre. It's an era. Pop is a genre. Much of it falls under the broader category of dance, though pop can take many forms. Perhaps what makes it slightly more unusual than other genres is that it changes more over time than others. MJ's music was the quintessential pop music of the 1980's. I would even go as far as to say that he invented the genre as we know it today.

ISF

[BurroDiablo 222]

The "Pop" stems from Popular, but both are different genres. If Death Metal became the Worlds #1 Popular kind of music tomorrow, I doubt we'd re-classify it as Pop Music.

Decades define the music the most, thats why when we're talking about Music decade-wise, its good to put the Decade in front of the Genre, 80's Pop and Contemporary Pop are obviously different genres. What was Pop then, is still Pop now... its just from another decade, so theres no need to re-classify it.

On another note, every store I went into today was playing Jacko's music... I found it quite eerie, don't ask me why.

[belfastuniguy 18]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: Zelgadis

Originally posted by: Duke87

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

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Since nearly always.  I think that label was cemented after Thriller, 1982.  I think he's been the "King of Pop" longer than you've been alive. quote>

Meh. "Pop" to me means things like some of Britney Spears' earlier music, or *Nsync. Which is nothing like MJ's music, so the idea that it's the same genre is perplexing. If you asked me, I'd have to categorize it as either "typical 80's music" or "funky dance music". But sure as hell not "pop".

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All those people were influenced by him. He was the first true global pop star in the sense of the original meaning of the word.

I also concur with the statements regarding his mental age when it came to things like children and the like. I don't think he ever did anything remotely abusive to children, he was a child himself. That's the problem, people just couldn't grasp that.

That however did not stop him from creating some of the greatest music we have know and influencing the world of music and dance for the next generations of artists.

I do believe his music will live on for generations, a music genius is not an understatement. RIP

He's finally is at peace, though still rather surreal to believe he is actually dead.

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Michael is expected to top the Album charts in Britain and 12 other countries today based on his sales on a single day this week. He is also expected to do well in the singles charts.

For reference Elvis still earns $25m a year, will Michael do better than this?

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: Merlin of Flyote

Michael is expected to top the Album charts in Britain and 12 other countries today based on his sales on a single day this week. He is also expected to do well in the singles charts.

For reference Elvis still earns $25m a year, will Michael do better than this?quote>

very eaisly, probabaly already has sold more then $25M in the last few days.

His estate will get a huge chunk of cash when Paul buys back the Beattles music.

[Deathcat001 8]

*Edited*  This is an obituary thread.  Not a soapbox.

Zel

[Kryptowhite 9]

*6 billion

[Darth Apple 54]

Gosh, the effects were truly immediate!!! I saw a huge number of people taking their laptops outside and playing his music loudly! You could hear it everywhere!!

He wasn't much to me till he died, REST IN PEACE!

[belfastuniguy 18]

Yeah music stores here has been placing speakers on the street and playing his music.

Clubs, bars, shopping centres and individual stores have as well

[Meg 368]

Jackson's mother awarded guardianship of his children

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- A Los Angeles probate court on Monday approved a request by Michael Jackson's mother to take guardianship of his three children, CNN has confirmed.

Michael Jackson's mother, Katherine, has taken guardianship of his three children.

Michael Jackson's father, Joe Jackson, told CNN on Sunday evening that he and his wife expected to keep the children.

 . . . more here

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Am I the only one who thinks this is a bad idea?   Joe Jackson is widely known to have been an abusive father and his wife, Katherine just sat by and let it happen.  There are a bunch of aunts and uncles here.  Wouldn't the kids be better off with them?

Has anyone done DNA tests on these kids?  The youngest was conceived via unknown surrogate but the older two are his second wife's kids.  (Where the heck is she?)   She claims they were conceived via artifical insemination.   If that is true, why?

[M-SIL 2]

R.I.P Michael Jackson, you will be dearly missed. *plays human nature from Thriller album*

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: Zelgadis

Originally posted by: Duke87

On another note... since when was his music considered "pop"?

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Since nearly always.  I think that label was cemented after Thriller, 1982.  I think he's been the "King of Pop" longer than you've been alive. quote>

Meh. "Pop" to me means things like some of Britney Spears' earlier music, or *Nsync. Which is nothing like MJ's music, so the idea that it's the same genre is perplexing. If you asked me, I'd have to categorize it as either "typical 80's music" or "funky dance music". But sure as hell not "pop". quote>

Pop is any genre of music that crosses over to mainstream radio and the general public.  Take Guns N' Roses for instance.  In the summer of '88, the follow up to the #1 pop smash Sweet Child O' Mine was Welcome To The Jungle which was popular enough to peak at #7 on the 'Pop' charts.  Definitely not Britney Spears or N'Synch by a long shot, but still a 'pop' song because of it's popularity with the general public.  Michael Jackson was extremely popular with the general public which is why he proclaimed himself as the King of Pop some 25 years ago and it stuck.   His genre is R&B/dance/funk/rock....he's done just about everything in his 46 year career.

[Jasoncw 11,840]

I agree SkiGeek, it's a horrible idea. I think the direct abuse he did to MJ, as well as the abuse he encouraged or allowed to happen to MJ, are why he was such a screwed up person.

But the kids will probably be raised by nannies anyway, so it probably doesn't matter much.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

And for the record, I also do not think anyone is in a position to accuse MJ of being a pedophile.  He might have been, but he may not have been, as well.  A court of law was not able to prove anything, so he is innocent as far as I an concerned. 

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That reminds me, have they ever identified the killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman?

[Barbarossa 51]

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[jeffsandychelsea 3]

RIP, KOP.  isnt it crazy though, that almost instantly after the news was released, mj became THE top topic on twitter? it was all over the news within minutes... the media is crazy!  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

very eaisly, probabaly already has sold more then $25M in the last few days.

His estate will get a huge chunk of cash when Paul buys back the Beattles music.

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If my memory is correct Paul McCartney bought the rights when Micheal hit financial trouble previously.

[Meg 368]

I figured someone would do this at some point:

Michael Jackson's Changing Face

Didn't think it would be People magazine.   You can't do this in a print magazine.

Anyway, I still think of him as the little kid you see in the beginning of the video.

(Feel free to turn the sound off.  The music is annoying and irrelevant.)