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sometimes climate change and global warming are considered the same or co-related. Which of course they are not.

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I don't think snow falling in Iraq is in anyway an example of Global Warming not existing.

This winter has been a cold one, Iran has had very heavy snow. Global warming does not mean everywhere is going to be warmed and have more sun. In fact winter months are likely to be milder and more extreme weather more likely.

Snow can also occur at a moments notice, I'll give you an example. On January 3rd Northern Ireland was forecast some light snow in rural and on high ground, however after a shift in wind direction by a few miles caused the winds to pick up moisture from the Irish sea and then dumped over 11 inches of snow on all of Northern Ireland causing chaos.

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Ive seen it snow in southern louisiana before. Big deal....pfff

But yeah, belfastuniguy is right, global warming could potentially alter weather patterns which could in some places actually make it colder.

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Good point, an example of how higher global temperatures can cause colder weather is currents like the Gulf Stream which brings warmer water to the north Atlantic. Some scenarios indicate this current could stop, causing colder weather for parts of the world.

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Look at what happened last year.  The great lakes didn't freeze over when they usually do so the lake effect winds picked up lots of moisture and dumped multiple feet of snow on Buffalo.

Snow in the desert does sound interesting.  I can see why they found it fascinating. 


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Hey, the climate has to change sometime. If humans are to blame, that is the question.

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Oh come on, it's not like this is the apocalypse... maybe if it literally rained cats and dogs... (There'd be alot of stray pets)

But yeah, climate change is coming, but I think the media just sensationalizes it...

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Funny, we got rains and a tornado watch in the middle of winder and back in my old home town, we got pouring rains instead of snow during the winter. The very next year in my old home town, we got a huge snowstorm with a strong wind in winter...

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    where i live usually its 40-and 50's (if your lucky 50's) and its been between 65-and 70 all week. Strange stuff i tell ya. I mean cmmom summer weather in new jersey in January. there is a warm up after christmas, but not tshirt and shortpants weather especially where i work on a barrier island.

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    Here in New York, i woke up to a severe thunderstorm this morning, in January I'm used to seeing snow on the ground rather than the flash of lighting so that made realized more that Global Warming is happening, because, face it people, Global Warming is happening

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    simple answer: NO!


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    The Thames froze over once in the 18th century during a cold winter, it had never happened before but nobody questioned the Atmosphere, they acctually made the most of it, people used it to cross the River, they even ice skated on it. If that happened these days people would think the Rapture was upon us... the Govenment would put up warning signs 'DON'T SKATE ON THE ICE OR YOU'LL DIE!!!' and we'd all progressively start living in caves, in fear that the next mile we drive could well be our last.

    Why the hell are we so paranoid about Climate Change? If it happens (wich it will) it will be progressive over a few hundred years. I remember last year it a freaking boiling in summer and, predicably, people blamed Climate change. This year, it was a little rainy in summer and abit colder in winter and again, people blamed Climate change. You can't win whatever the weather, people will always blame climate change... its got to the point now whenever people mention Climate Change or Global Warming, I just switch off because i'm not interested... who the hell cares if I want to fill the Kettle to 2 cups when I'm only having 1?! Its just stupid blatant nitpicking from a bunch of hypochondriac environmentalists 41.gif

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    Originally posted by: El Burro The Thames froze over once in the 18th century during a cold winter, it had never happened before but nobody questioned the Atmosphere, they acctually made the most of it, people used it to cross the River, they even ice skated on it. If that happened these days people would think the Rapture was upon us... the Govenment would put up warning signs 'DON'T SKATE ON THE ICE OR YOU'LL DIE!!!' and we'd all progressively start living in caves, in fear that the next mile we drive could well be our last.

    Why the hell are we so paranoid about Climate Change? If it happens (wich it will) it will be progressive over a few hundred years. I remember last year it a freaking boiling in summer and, predicably, people blamed Climate change. This year, it was a little rainy in summer and abit colder in winter and again, people blamed Climate change. You can't win whatever the weather, people will always blame climate change... its got to the point now whenever people mention Climate Change or Global Warming, I just switch off because i'm not interested... who the hell cares if I want to fill the Kettle to 2 cups when I'm only having 1?! Its just stupid blatant nitpicking from a bunch of hypochondriac environmentalists 41.gifquote>

    Amen brother.  4.gif

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    I used to be super paranoid when I saw that Day After Tomorrow movie, I ended up watching the Weather Channel everyday for 6 months and looked out for Global Warming news. [never watching that channel ever again]. Now, frankly, I don't really care. It's happening, but what can I do when my government denies it exists. We recycle at my house, use those fancy lightbulbs, and watch how much energy we use, just try and do our part to help..

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    I agree that it's silly that whenever there's unusual weather everyone says "global warming", but I do think global warming may be responsible for some of the changes.

    Also, some things will take hundreds of years, but some changes will only take a few.  Many of the changes are thresholds.  The change will happen shortly, and then its affects will cascade across the weather systems.

    The prediction for USA's midwest is that it gets hot like the US's southwest.  Which ironically where a lot of people in the midwest are moving to, so maybe people will stop leaving our region in the future.  We'll also be above water, which is a plus.  Everyone move to Detroit while you still have a chance, lol.  3.gif


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    See, when I think of global warming, I would assume it wouldn't snow in Baghdad ever. This might not debunk the global warming trends, but it sure doesn't help the cause, either.

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    well what do you know? snow in baghdad...i should go play the lottery

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    Originally posted by: OffTopic
    Originally posted by: El Burro The Thames froze over once in the 18th century during a cold winter, it had never happened before but nobody questioned the Atmosphere, they acctually made the most of it, people used it to cross the River, they even ice skated on it. If that happened these days people would think the Rapture was upon us... the Govenment would put up warning signs 'DON'T SKATE ON THE ICE OR YOU'LL DIE!!!' and we'd all progressively start living in caves, in fear that the next mile we drive could well be our last.

    Why the hell are we so paranoid about Climate Change? If it happens (wich it will) it will be progressive over a few hundred years. I remember last year it a freaking boiling in summer and, predicably, people blamed Climate change. This year, it was a little rainy in summer and abit colder in winter and again, people blamed Climate change. You can't win whatever the weather, people will always blame climate change... its got to the point now whenever people mention Climate Change or Global Warming, I just switch off because i'm not interested... who the hell cares if I want to fill the Kettle to 2 cups when I'm only having 1?! Its just stupid blatant nitpicking from a bunch of hypochondriac environmentalists 41.gifquote>

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    yea, amen to that man, you got the point!

    or, as the majority of the western "civilized" youth would say:

    WORD!

    The problem with all the climate change chitchat is that ppl wanna make us believe that WE, as in mankind, are to blame for it. but the only one who's to blame for it is mother nature!

    it's just that it (climate change caused by global warming) seems to happen a little faster than ever before.

    Why does mankind always try to prevent nature from changing, as it did ever since? why do we try to safe our status quo, guard it from something that simply will happen, no matter if mankind tries to fight it or not?


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    yea, amen to that man, you got the point!

    or, as the majority of the western "civilized" youth would say:

    WORD!

    The problem with all the climate change chitchat is that ppl wanna make us believe that WE, as in mankind, are to blame for it. but the only one who's to blame for it is mother nature!

    it's just that it (climate change caused by global warming) seems to happen a little faster than ever before.

    Why does mankind always try to prevent nature from changing, as it did ever since? why do we try to safe our status quo, guard it from something that simply will happen, no matter if mankind tries to fight it or not?quote>

    Because the status quo is what we have adapted to, and changes could have devastating effects (wether it is due to human nature or just nature).

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    in Scotland we have had snow *shock* and gales and all the comments in the papers after saying oh the roads are really slow because of this strange white substance were "this is the weather we are supposed to be having" you can hardly say this is global warming if it is then bring it on

    and for snow to fall you need it to be cold in the upper atmosphere for it to form so say a cold air current went over baghdad and the article said it melted on the ground anyway

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    As said, climate change might be a more appropriate word. The planet is getting hotter, and we're seeing more and more arid regions. But many parts of the world will experience a colder and wetter climate instead of heating and dry rivers. This is the case in Northern Europe for example, and if the Gulf Stream "shuts off", it is definitly not going to be warmer! However violent storms are getting commoner, it is raining more (counting both rain and snow), often at inappropriate times. This means heavy snowfalls in large parts of Northern Europe, while further north, they might experience no ice and open sea were it earlier would have been ice.

    And sometimes it just snows. Even Jerusalem are hit by this powder now and then -- and it's on height with Baghdad (but close to the coast of course).

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    Recently, I watched a documentary on the breaking up of ice shelves in the Antarctic and the opening of the North West Passage over the winter.  The upshot of this is that there will be higher sea-levels, and since there is more open water surface, more moisture in the atmosphere.  Atmospheric moisture and solar heating drive the weather, so expect more precipitation, storms, etc.

    It is not odd that snow should fall in a desert provided it is cold enough.  Don't deserts cool down drastically at night?  The ones I have been in do.

    Global warming is a natural phenomenon.  It happens when the orbit of the earth precesses to that we are slightly closer to the sun which increases insolation.  All the man-made CO2 and agricultural CH4 may make a slight difference, but all the panic is really one of those "When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout." types.  Too much hype.

    I do agree that doing something about smog is a good thing.  We'd have fewer respiratory diseases and allergies if there wasn't so much industrial junk in the air.


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    According to just about any climate scientist you ask, there are only three possible outcomes:

    1. Global warming speeds up the current inter-glacial period we're in entering us into the next glacial one within 200 years which should have taken 500-3500

    2. Global warming continues, the Quaternatry ice age ends (the one we're in) radiation feedback accelerates, massive desertification, methane rises from the ocean floor and eventually when the temp rises 10 degrees Celcius and underwater methane crystals melt and set on fire upon hitting the atmosphere... pretty much all humans die

    3. Freshwater coming off the Greenland ice sheet overpowers the Gulf Stream and an creating a mini-ice age affecting Western Europe and North America. The increase in ice reflects more solar radiation and temperatures even out as long as greenhouse gas emissions are stopped (CO2, methane, nitrous oxide)

    Simple Science, ***** is going down in the next hundred years :-)

    For those who don't believe I'm sorry but you're just ignorant of the science, and I hope you can learn more and help to solve the problem not exaccerbate it

    Oh and as for smog, its the only thing thats made global warming take so long, smog is our friend in the current situation, look up global dimming :-)


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    The only way to stop Gore from jetting around is to ground his jet, and make sure he can't charter any more.  It is all well and good for him to make a big splash in the media, but a Nobel Prize?  Good grief, might just have well given Joe Stalin the peace prize.


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    We've renamed it. It is no longer "Global Warming", now it is "Climate Change". That gives us plenty of dishonest freedom you see. The climate always changes, it has been for the last 4.6 billion years, but with this new ambiguous term we can blame all weather anomalies on human activity, or specifically capitalism and the US. Got a flood? It's the US's fault, give us money. Have a windy day? It's the US's fault, give us money, etc. In this way, it doesn't matter if it's hot, cold, wet, or dry, it's all "Climate Change" and thus the fault of those who have money. In fact, if the whole planet was to suddenly get a layer of ice, that would be irrefutable proof of Global Warming, I mean - Climate Change.

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