YouTube to be shutdown forever?

[Micah 16]

Copyright  trouble appears to be catching up to Google's YouTube. Bob Tur's videos were put onto YouTube. Here's a qoute from the article:

Tur wants YouTube shuttered until its parent company, Google, can guarantee his videos and other copyrighted content won't reappear after being taken down. And even if there's a filtering technology out there that really works (despite Google's April announcement of such a technology, Tur is skeptical), he wants a court to say the law doesn't shield YouTube-like services, so he's protected from whatever site becomes the next big thing. 

What are your thoughts on this? Was it only a matter of time for YouTube (Google) to be sued for copyright infringement? 

For more discussion, click here for the main article.

[hamsterTK 93]

screw him. Last time I checked "worlds scariest police chases 78-Death on Wheels" wasnt a monster hit being damaged by piracy. If anyone should be complaining it should be actors and musicians whose stuff is watched all the time. I hope google has mob connections so they can whack him. He might be a big hero or whatever but what he's doing isnt right

Anyways, if it does happen, its only proof that anything cool and interesting never lasts

[Haljackey 17,242]

Its the World-wide web, not the country-wide web. National Rules and regulations don't apply the same on a global scale. The internet is about the free expressions of people's ideas. Since youtube is owned by an American company (Google), then they can control their websites but must also take into account that there is no centre to the website/internet, because it is part of everyone's computers.

If you shut youtube down, then you may as well shut down everyone's internet access. This will prevent any copyrighted content to be uploaded without the user's permission. Enough said.

[Jazzmaster 716]

Doesn't suprise me. When I go on YouTube to see funny anime parodies there's always someone commenting about how they run a maintenance or whatever 10:00PM every night to delete them so they won't get sued. Would've been a good idea to do the same with other copyrighted material, eh?

[Jasoncw 11,839]

I see where people are coming from (YouTube is like the exchange at the official website, most of what is good is bootlegged from here, and most of what's not isn't worthwhile to begin with).

But I think that people should be trying to take advantage of things like YouTube, not fight against them.  For example, if they uploaded the videos themselves, they could put little ads in the middle, or something along those lines.  The internet isn't a whole lot different than radio.

[Voar Tok 4]

I won't say what I think of the man, but I do find his priorities interesting.

"I'm going broke," he says. "I've mortgaged my kids' futures for these cases. I've lost my wife - she got tired of fighting and wanted more security. I've almost died from the stress of it. But the incentive must be to create. And if someone like me doesn't stand up for content creators, we sure as hell can't count on the big corporations to do it for us."quote>

[Explodingsims 3]

Another Unneeded lawsuit, great... this is just what everyone needs

[Easy Bakes 253]

You tube will become like napster.

pay for what you download or watch.

Which was probably the creators intent all along

or at least googles reason for buying it.

[Creathir 3]

Originally posted by: haljackey Its the World-wide web, not the country-wide web. National Rules and regulations don't apply the same on a global scale. The internet is about the free expressions of people's ideas. Since youtube is owned by an American company (Google), then they can control their websites but must also take into account that there is no centre to the website/internet, because it is part of everyone's computers.

If you shut youtube down, then you may as well shut down everyone's internet access. This will prevent any copyrighted content to be uploaded without the user's permission. Enough said.quote>

 

This is true, however servers hosting content ARE under the laws of the country/state/county/city they reside in. Last I checked, Google/Youtube was in California, which is in the United States.

 - Creathir

[Jasoncw 11,839]

http://youtube.com/t/fact_sheet

The goal seems to be two things:

- To make money through ads, and promotions.

- And to develop a community/fanbase.

They probably make plenty of money.  The only expenses are a handful of employees, and the space for holding all the videos (which might seem like a lot, but probably isn't), and a few other things, but the income is all of the advertisements and business deals and things.

The community aspect is mega important for the longterm.  Brand loyalty and all of that kind of stuff.

[MayorTim 16]

Google would never charge money to watch YouTube videos, why should they? Google ads have been an enormous sucess, and one of their main money-makers. They probably bought YouTube for several reasons, as a long term investment, and just because its the largest video site there is. Google never does anything small, and they were probably thinking of integrating it somehow with the standard google video search.

[crazyyaya 4]

Does that guy really think shutting down youtube will do anything. The videos will just be put on different sites in a neverending circle.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

personally I think Tur's name is missing the final letter....a "d". What some people won't do to try to stay relevant. Voar Tok is right, this guy's priorities are screwed up. And he thinks the Gov't can stop the power of the internet! Perhaps he should move to China, were they have that kind of control over electronic media.

[patriots_1228 51]

turd....hehe

anyway, like (jason?) said, they should be taking advantage of this as an oppurtunity to advertise. they should put "Watch are you smarter than a celebrity" (not a real show) in there videos like they did in the simpsons movie

[ILL Tonkso 1,236]

On BBC Panorama last night they had a special on how YouTube is being used for the Happy Slapping problem, and how people believe it needs better regulating. Theres nothing good about seeing a 15 year old boy getting his head kicked in.

[Easy Bakes 253]

So now the new Iphones wont be able to wach Youtube?

hahahaha

[patriots_1228 51]

^^^i hate that commercial i phone guy. he pauses way to much.

"You.....may be suprised.........by some of the things...........you see on.......youtube. but........maybe the biggest suprise........is finding............youtube.........on.....your phone."

[jeeper 14]

I wouldn't waste my time suing YouTube. Just an assumption here, but I'd be willing to bet that Google has a few more dollars to spend on lawyers than Tur does.

[screamingman12 30]

Yeah, but copyright infringement is still a big deal. All he needs to prove is that he owns the copyright(s) to the material and they'll have to remove it.

[squiggles35 1]

I still don't really get what this man is trying to prove by suing youtube. It's almost like trying to take down google. It can't be done. Maybe he wants his stuff off youtube, but still he's probably going to try to make this thing bigger than it actually is.

[1dera3 28]

I'm sure this has already been said, posted or not, but I'll say it again...

Well, then it kind of sucks to be him then. If you want your stuff off, then ask them to take it off. It doesn't need to be blown up into another lawsuit.

Originally posted by: screamingman12 Yeah, but copyright infringement is still a big deal. All he needs to prove is that he owns the copyright(s) to the material and they'll have to remove it.quote>

And that is completely right. If Tur(d couldn't resist) shows them his copyright, they can take it off and keep it off themselves. That's all that needs to be done, really.

[MrCinatit 30]

The problem is, YouTube has become a very powerful staple in not only entertainment, but politics.

George Allen most likely lost a senatorial bid in 2006 because of a YouTube clip.

Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Guilliani, McCann, Baker and pretty much every other candidate have found that they should not only watch their words today, but they should remember what they said in yesteryears - or they will be reminded on YouTube.

Already, both the Republicans and Democrats have had debates not only hosted by YouTube, but featuring questions by YouTube users.

YouTube has, indeed, become a very powerful political tool.

Meanwhile, Michael Richards and Mel Gibson have both found their careers seriously hurt after YouTube videos were posted.

With the help of YouTube, the rest of the world has found that the UK's Paul Potts indeed has a magnificent talent.

Amature movie makers are finding that YouTube is a cheap and efficient way to get their foot into the door (I am not sure if any have found success beyond the world wide web, but it is still early).

[Hanson784 165]

Some people have fascinating reactions to the Internet and new technology.

There’s an interesting shift happening because of video sharing sites like YouTube; normal people are becoming the media and are influencing the media. Many YouTube videos get more viewers than some television shows. The approval rating of a politician can be influenced by a single video created by someone in their basement. Voters can be better educated by gaining further insights of candidates by gaining multiple insights from both sides of the coin. Not to mention gaining insights on other important issues and expanding their worldview.

YouTube can help create viral marketing campaigns for products and ironically illegally uploaded commercials increase brand awareness in some cases. Even some YouTuber’s are getting their own primetime shows, the creator of Chad Vader is going to get his own show on NBC and the Evolution of Dance Guy is also getting his own show to name a few. I think some  movie deals are in the works too.

YouTube is going offline also and makes frequent appearances on entertainment shows in viral video segments.

There’s something Tur should understand, one person or even a group of people cannot completely control global information being shared through the Internet. His videos are not only on YouTube but also, Google Videos, Yahoo videos, ebaumsworld, iambored.com and too many other video sharing sites to name. Not to mention clips of his footage being sold in a “World’s Most Shocking Videos” DVD on the streets of Bangkok. 

Someone made a point in a YouTube video that he profited off of people at their worst and the subjects in the videos most likely didn’t sign a release form to have their footage show on the 6 o’clock news and be repeatedly shown all over the world.

While YouTube has material on it that infringes with copyright laws and runs advertisements alongside these videos, it is one of the most egalitarian video sharing sites on the net.

1 billion dollar lawsuit? Google has employees and networks in high up places such as many branches of the government, not to mention an army of lawyers. Instead of childishly suing YouTube he should have contacted them in an intelligent and professional manner to work out a deal where he can receive recurring royalties from the advertising revenue of all of his videos. A 20-year-old college student did just that for his self-produced videos. Even some business savvy filmmakers did it when they found someone had uploaded their films. Why not Tur?

Sorry for the long post and rambling but I think its interesting that people think they can control information on a global scale due to fear, greed or whatever other reason. Senator Ted (“the internet is a series of tubes!” Stevens of Alaska, who was against net neutrality, is another interesting character.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: MrCinatit 

Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Guilliani, McCann, Baker and pretty much every other candidate have found that they should not only watch their words today, but they should remember what they said in yesteryears - or they will be reminded on YouTube.

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if thats all U tube ever acomplishes then they did good.

If thiers one thing i cant stand is a politician playing both sides of an issue based on what group hes talking to.

[Odainsaker 2,133]

I going to swim against the current for the moment, ask us to forget who Tur might be or the nature of his videos, put aside whether or not we like lawsuits or those who bring them, forget how big and entrenched Google or YouTube might be, and even forget the broader inevitable changes of the internet upon the public media, and just simply ask if a copyright owner has a right of control over their own copyrighted work?

The trend here seems to be "no" when some other copyright owner is taking away our use without permission of their copyrighted stuff, and "yes" when it our our own work being stolen and used without our permission by others. How dare they! YouTube uploaders are the People's Heroes struggling for free information exchange, while thieving BAT uploaders on the STEX or EA Exchange must be flamed!?!?

[coolotter88 2]

yeah, well he should realize, no one really cares about his copyrights.

why should Google take down any videos? more people means more money from ads.

[hamsterTK 93]

To be honest I think you answered your own question

This is a huge deal because of what he is demanding, how he is going about it, etc....

Though I think you are right, most people now probably don't give a crap about copyrights if they arent the ones who own them.

Maybe this is just human nature, it doesnt seem very fair to place restrictions on an easily passed piece of information, and therefore the average person is apprehensive of the concept. Inevitably things might change in the future how copyrights and intellectual property is defined, who knows...

yeah, well he should realize, no one really cares about his copyrights. quote>

Well I dont know if the law cares whether you care about something or not 

[SpecialEddie 3]

You tube will become like napster.

pay for what you download or watch.

Which was probably the creators intent all along

or at least googles reason for buying it.quote>

I will NOT pay to watch people put a couple of Mentos in Diet Coke.

[Mikemat5150 0]

I doubt Google will ever make people pay to watch videos as there are to many alternatives to youtube like Myspace videos that people would just go to. I think that since youtube is the biggest they get all the attention directed at them.

[Mikeaut1 261]

I love youtube so much, why would they consider shutting it down!! I can see the copyright problem and I understand that totally. But I think people need to chill and just enjoy youtube for what it is!! It's a fun way to relax, catch up on things you haven't seen in a long time, laugh... Youtube is so big now, was Napster even as big as Youtube was/is now?