Simple question

[uberubert 0]

Hey all! So I read up on some guides, and figured I'd test out building a small suburb. I zoned out some low-dense residental, making sure all of the zone was a maximum size of 1xY. (see pics) Then, after some industrial zoning, they start building randomly around the residental zone. This is where the weird part starts.. They seem to like building far away from eachother... There are lots of free residental zoning left, but no new houses are erected.. Those empty lots on the screenshots stay empty forever...! (If the screenshots work..) What am I missing here..? Do they need some parks or something...? I tried adding a nearby small commerce zone too.. On other screenshots I've seen, there are houses on 1x1 squares.. Why wont people build their houses on the small lots i zoned for them..? Thanks for any hints

[opbravo 0]

hello and welcome to simtropolis.

this topic was covered before in this thread:

https://www.simtropolis.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=24&threadid=89358&enterthread=y

basically, what i've experienced is that 1x1 residential lots won't grow if you're starting a brand new city. 1x2 lots are preferred at the very beginning of the game. once you have a base population established (of about 1000 sims or so), then the 1x1 lots will start to develop.

[cdcweb 0]

I would assume it's because they don't want to. Either you don't have enough work in the city to support them yet, so they haven't moved, or they just don't plain like your city

J/K., be patient, they'll move in as the work arrives. If you have the wrong kind of work (using high density industry, or high density commercial), they may not be qualified for, or want those jobs.

I'd just start with Low Resident, Low Commercial, Low Industry. It'll grow, you'll see.

By the way, I have a big city, but still use Low Res 1X1 plots. I really like the look of them, and make cool little suburb neighbourhoods and stuff

[Pixelrage 34]

could be lots of things:

- R$ taxes are too high

- Pollution

- The demand ratio of R/I is balanced at that point

- Is there a water supply?

[cdcweb 0]

Originally posted by: opbravo basically, what i've experienced is that 1x1 residential lots won't grow if you're starting a brand new city. 1x2 lots are preferred at the very beginning of the game. once you have a base population established (of about 1000 sims or so), then the 1x1 lots will start to develop.

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I have no problem getting 1x1 lots to grow right away.

[opbravo 0]

cdcweb:  yeah i guess everyone has different takes on this one.  if i'm starting out a completely isolated city, i've found that 1x1 lots don't grow... 1x1 lots combine to make 1x2 lots and those grow.  however, if i'm building on city tile connected to an established city, 1x1 lots develop right away.

you must have the magic touch!  hehe.

[Gridlock 9]

Pretty much like the others said , not enough jobs , first city in a new region is always slow , all you can do is follow your rci demand , you probably need some farmland too , That helps a lot 1st city , new region .Do you have demand for residential ,? I dunno about the 1x1 thing as i dont ever build them.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

In a "cold" city, you won't get 1x1 growth in any ordinary way.  I suggest a few 1 x 2's to get yourself started, and start slamming in demand for R§ housing by building I-D areas.

[uberubert 0]

Wow, I think I like this forum! So many dedicated simmers! Makes me wonder even more: "why oh why didnt I pick up this game earlier..?" Started playing around 1-2 weeks ago, running city after city into an economic lavapit, burning money before it could even touch it... Great guides on this site! Helped out alot! My city in question was indeed a lonely small puppet on a vast flat empty region. I will go play now, and develeop bigger residental areas, and wait patiently for my 1x1's to develop after I get a biggger city. Thank you all for enlighting this matter.

[villagemayor 0]

1x2 or 1x3 is easier to grow, whether its comm or res. Especially comm, 1x1 for me is quite hard.

[baertooth 330]

One of the basic aspects of SC4 is building stages. A building's stage is set by the building's size compared to their lot size, or something like that. I think the default 1x1 residential buildings in SC4 are actually stage 2 buildings and you need to meet the requirements for stage 2 buildings and as a result, 1x1 residential doesn't spawn intially until the stage 2 requirements are met (which is like having 300 or so people in your new city).

Just start with lots larger than 1x1 for the first few hundred sims, then you can zone 1x1's. Also, when you meet the requirements, it's passed so you can go and dezone some of your 1x2's and rezone them 1x1's, if you want.

[uberubert 0]

I tried playing around with different cities, testing various layouts etc.. Using regional play, I have an industrial city next to the testing-city. 1x1s sometimes started spawning right after I made a ROAD city connection nearby the 1x1s instead of a AVENUE-city connection in a city with population 200+. However, starting fresh with a blank city and a ROAD-connection did not make 1x1s spawn. Also, I tested putting out bus-stops nearby 1x1 layouts in a city with 200+ pop, and small buildings startet popping up around the bus-stop! Seems to me like the people building on 1x1 layouts cant afford cars, and must therefore walk to work. Avenues cannot be walked right?

[JakeMD 107]

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Thats  not how i do it.....  But you can try this.... You need to zone bigger, more commercial, industrial, and schools, healthcare, all of that stuff, you need to give them services like fire, police, zone closer togerther, with bigger zones, ....

dont expect things to zone right away, it takes time to build a good city. CHECK OUT SOME TUTORIALS IN THE OMNIBUS.

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[uberubert 0]

Well, I gave up trying to figure out what makes the 1x1-houses appear at first, and instead made bigger lots until 1x1 lots started spawning houses. Now everything is working alright, got lots of 1x1 houses, and the start of a nice little quaint sub-urb, that is almost the way I want it. Thanks for all help!

[baertooth 330]

Sorry I didn't provide a more definitive answer, but you'll get 1x1's to spawn if your city's population + regional residential demand is greater than around 300 sims, that will trigger stage 2 buildings, which will trigger 1x1's to grow. To get regional demand, you have to have neighborhood connections such as roads. I'm not sure if ferries, trains, or subs are suitable connections, but I'm pretty sure at least trains and subs are. Also, if you build a city and first off you have a neighborhood connection, regional demand might already exceed stage 2 limits and 1x1's will spawn right away.

[uberubert 0]

Ah, but the confusing part on my hand is; Throughout the whole "testing" I did, I had an avenue connection going off all 4 sides of the small map. One side was to my industrial city. Then I "accidentally" made a Road-connection off one side of the map (to an empty region-map), and 1x1 houses popped up all over town, booming my population from a mere 200 to a stunning 5-600 But I got my 1x1s up and running now, so everything is fine!

[mayors 0]

Originally posted by: villagemayor 1x2 or 1x3 is easier to grow, whether its comm or res. Especially comm, 1x1 for me is quite hard.quote>

 

noo, dont build 1x3 with low density unless you want R$$$, which you probably dont want at the beginning of a new city.