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Originally posted by: Wade11 Runways - aiports cannot function without runways, in the real world, you are hard pressed to find an airport with more than 2 or 3 runways running in the same direction (some examples of such airports are CLE - Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, where there are 3 runways running the same direction) the reason for this is because it is very confusing for both the pilots and the traffic controllers because of the traffic on the taxiways and the danger of having too many planes crossing the runway at the same time. For the controllers, runways are marked based on the towers positon to the runway, so again, at cleveland Hopkins, the runways are marked 6L, 6C, and 6R. quote>

DFW airport has 7 runways...5 of which are parallel to each other.

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Yes, but DFW has several control towers, which I believe are for different parts of the airport. Not too sure, but I think that this is true...

Also, the airport is split down the middle by terminals, so the planes stay on one side of the airport at a time. This means that there are only 2 or 3 runways next to each other on either side of the airport.

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I like the idea of football fever's airport, but there is a serious lack of a runway.

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Originally posted by: OffTopic I like the idea of football fever's airport, but there is a serious lack of a runway.quote>

My guess, looking at the planes(or spaceships if you will, because they look more like interplanetary cruisers than planes), is that they would simply detach the jetways and depart using anti-gravity devices to make them float.

For me a spaceport serving ships this size would have to be orbital or at the best, low-gee enviroment, i think the earths atmosphere is to much of a hinderance for ships this size. A space Elevator with a large docking ring would be more fitting, or just a large orbital using shuttles to acend to the surface.

However i do like the look of the spaceport, makes me think all Armitage III, from the introduction scene.

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Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u Yes, but DFW has several control towers, which I believe are for different parts of the airport. Not too sure, but I think that this is true...

Also, the airport is split down the middle by terminals, so the planes stay on one side of the airport at a time. This means that there are only 2 or 3 runways next to each other on either side of the airport.quote>

 

There are taxiways over the roads lol. Look on Google Earth 3.gif

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I am totally aware of the taxiways over the roads. Coolest thing in the world to see a plane crossing above. The majority of planes don't use these taxiways, however, and stay on one side of the airport. I think these taxiways are for accessing service areas or something.

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The last (well, only) time I flew into DFW we landed on a west side runway and taxied to an east side concourse. So it does happen.

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Originally posted by: RaceFan48 thx for the advice spokane, ur right they are a bit crowded, but i dont have much room to work with lolquote>

And therein lies the lament of many a real-world Airport committee. Often you must make large changes to airports to fit in what you need even in the real world.

Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u I am totally aware of the taxiways over the roads. Coolest thing in the world to see a plane crossing above. The majority of planes don't use these taxiways, however, and stay on one side of the airport. I think these taxiways are for accessing service areas or something.quote>

I can easily explain the reasoning for this. Time costs money. the other runways are closer for the airlines and thus less fuel and time to reach it and get in the air. Every minute wasted on the ground is easily several hundred dollars when you have jet engines guzzling fuel at rate close to 1500 lbs of fuel an hour (approximately 250 if I recall the weight of jet fuel correctly). Unless you really need to be on the other side of the airport, or the runway(s) designated for take-off on your side are so congested that taxiing to the other side is actually quicker, it would be illogical to do so.

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Originally posted by: SpokaneFlyBoy

Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u I am totally aware of the taxiways over the roads. Coolest thing in the world to see a plane crossing above. The majority of planes don't use these taxiways, however, and stay on one side of the airport. I think these taxiways are for accessing service areas or something.quote>

I can easily explain the reasoning for this. Time costs money. the other runways are closer for the airlines and thus less fuel and time to reach it and get in the air. Every minute wasted on the ground is easily several hundred dollars when you have jet engines guzzling fuel at rate close to 1500 lbs of fuel an hour (approximately 250 if I recall the weight of jet fuel correctly). Unless you really need to be on the other side of the airport, or the runway(s) designated for take-off on your side are so congested that taxiing to the other side is actually quicker, it would be illogical to do so.quote>

Sorta...The time you are likely to cross the roads are on intercontinental flights, and arrivals and departures at individual airline rush hours.

Its simply a question of how many planes you have coming in at once.  The nature of airports is that small areas of the terminal handle large amounts of traffic at a time, this is to facilitate connections.  At an airport where the commuter terminal and the majority of AA's gates, when all 4 (I know there are 5, but only 4 can be used simultaneously) of the runways need to be used to land planes, it doesn't matter how long the taxi is....10 mins of taxi is MUCH less expensive than 1 minute of flying.  'Time is money' doesn't apply so much when fuel is the major elastic cost in the equation rather than labor.

But anyway, because Hubs are designed wholly on the premise of facilitating connecting flights, the goal is quite literally to place the maximum number of flights to the minimum area...we call it a terminal 2.gif.  But to get that many planes in to the gates, you runways can only handle so many aircraft per hour...so quite simply, if you have x planes arriving to the B concourse within 1 hour of eachother to connect you need more than 2 runways to service it...necessarily planes will have to cross the field.

It is true that outbound flights will much more often use the runway on the same side as the terminal, but particularly with landing aircraft, it is much less expensive to get it down somewhere and then maneuver on then ground.

Intercontinental flights work in much the same way because they all tend to arrive at similar times of the day to other aircraft arriving from the same region due to timezone considerations.

There are of course tons of other factors that go into runway usage, but as far as airport design goes, those are the main considerations.

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I finally got a couple of shots from Genesis International Airport (still under construction).

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^^^That would be the eastern corridor. It's currently the most worked on area of the airport. You'll notice that I've started on the taxiway and runway, and have figured out how to connect the gates to the runways.

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^^^There's what is currently the entire airport from the region view. It's supposed to represent a diagonal "W" and be at least as big as O'Hare International. I haven't counted the number of gates yet. The building you see between the middle and south corridors is where the learjet gates are. I'm having trouble connecting them to the diagonal pieces of the terminal building. I'll post pictures of that problem later on this week. As I make more progress on the airport, I'll be sure to post about it, and make sure that they aren't just tiny updates, otherwise that would be a waste of posts.


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Originally posted by: david1314
Originally posted by: SpokaneFlyBoy

Originally posted by: 2nerdy4u I am totally aware of the taxiways over the roads. Coolest thing in the world to see a plane crossing above. The majority of planes don't use these taxiways, however, and stay on one side of the airport. I think these taxiways are for accessing service areas or something.quote>

I can easily explain the reasoning for this. Time costs money. the other runways are closer for the airlines and thus less fuel and time to reach it and get in the air. Every minute wasted on the ground is easily several hundred dollars when you have jet engines guzzling fuel at rate close to 1500 lbs of fuel an hour (approximately 250 if I recall the weight of jet fuel correctly). Unless you really need to be on the other side of the airport, or the runway(s) designated for take-off on your side are so congested that taxiing to the other side is actually quicker, it would be illogical to do so.quote>

Sorta...The time you are likely to cross the roads are on intercontinental flights, and arrivals and departures at individual airline rush hours.

Its simply a question of how many planes you have coming in at once.  The nature of airports is that small areas of the terminal handle large amounts of traffic at a time, this is to facilitate connections.  At an airport where the commuter terminal and the majority of AA's gates, when all 4 (I know there are 5, but only 4 can be used simultaneously) of the runways need to be used to land planes, it doesn't matter how long the taxi is....10 mins of taxi is MUCH less expensive than 1 minute of flying.  'Time is money' doesn't apply so much when fuel is the major elastic cost in the equation rather than labor.

But anyway, because Hubs are designed wholly on the premise of facilitating connecting flights, the goal is quite literally to place the maximum number of flights to the minimum area...we call it a terminal 2.gif.  But to get that many planes in to the gates, you runways can only handle so many aircraft per hour...so quite simply, if you have x planes arriving to the B concourse within 1 hour of eachother to connect you need more than 2 runways to service it...necessarily planes will have to cross the field.

It is true that outbound flights will much more often use the runway on the same side as the terminal, but particularly with landing aircraft, it is much less expensive to get it down somewhere and then maneuver on then ground.

Intercontinental flights work in much the same way because they all tend to arrive at similar times of the day to other aircraft arriving from the same region due to timezone considerations.

There are of course tons of other factors that go into runway usage, but as far as airport design goes, those are the main considerations.quote>

Quite right, I was speaking on departing aircraft and in doing so neglected the factors on arriving aircraft. Thank you for expounding on the aspects of the arrivals that I forgot to give attention to.

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The following is a huge airport I've been building for the past two weeks, just for the fun of it. Though I may eventually build up the region it's in (current population: zero), for now it's just a stand-alone piece of eyecandy.

Lyndon B. Johnson International Airport

Welcome to Lyndon B. Johnson International Airport - commonly known simply as LBJ.

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KLBJ serves as a hub for several major airlines, including United Airlines and discount carrier US Airways. In addition, Northwest Airlines has made LBJ a focus city.

There are four terminals and four associated concourses, with a total of 89 gates. There are four runways, 18/36 L-C-R, and 9/27. The former three runways are typically in use simultaneously, while the latter is simply an auxiliary runway used during off-peak hours and emergencies.

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There are three domestic terminals. It is possible to walk from one terminal to another without needing to exit the building or reenter security.

Terminal A is used exclusively by United Airlines. It contains 17 gates, four of which are designated as 'heavy' (Boeing 747 capable).

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Terminal B is used by a number of discount airlines. There are 18 gates in total.

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Terminal C is the largest of the four terminals. It contains 34 gates, most of which belong to US Airways. The rest are used by Northwest Airlines.

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The fourth terminal is the International Terminal. All international flights are directed to here, whether or not the airline is an American one or not. The terminal is an official port of entry and contains full customs and immigration services. The International Terminal contains 20 gates and is served by an assortment of airlines, including United, British Airways, Virgin Atlantic, Atlasjet, JAL, and others.

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LBJ features a state-of-the-art ground light railway. The GLR has six stops, one at each terminal, and two stops in the main parking lot.

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The aforementioned remote parking area contains several thousand parking spaces that supplement the garages found in front of each terminal. A shuttle bus connects travelers from their cars to the GLR stations, providing a fairly quick trip to the terminal. Parking rates are cheaper to offset the slight inconvenience.

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The airport also has a small general aviation area. In addition, the nearby commercial district contains hotels, shopping, and several offices.

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Interstate 13 tunnels underneath runway 9/27 and a pair of taxiways, connecting the airport to the business district shown above.

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Finally, here's a random shot of the north-eastern part of the airfield.

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Comments and criticisms are welcome!

- The_Hutt

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Wow, that's a lot of work put into that airport, and an incredible amount of forsight and planing.  I've yet to put together a large airport like this, but this is truly an inspiration.  I love how well you took the parking and transportation into account on it too.  excellent job!44.gif

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That's a really nice Airport The Hutt, very realistic, my only qualm is where those two runways meet a corner there, that is very dangerous, most of the time in a sitution like that at least one of the runways would be pushed back to prevent any kind of accidents.

And some pics from my latest airport for my CJ Marble, background story and stuff in that thread, just some pics for here.

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Enjoy.

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Originally posted by: bighaben That's a really nice Airport The Hutt, very realistic, my only qualm is where those two runways meet a corner there, that is very dangerous, most of the time in a sitution like that at least one of the runways would be pushed back to prevent any kind of accidents.quote>

Actually, there's nothing dangerous about it because runway 9/27 is never an active runway at the same time runways 18/36 L-C-R are.

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^Lol, I've flown out of Front Range Airport (KFTG) east of Denver, it has a setup identical to that (Though it goes due N/S & E/W, they are 8/26 and 17/35). While the close-calls tended to much more often be the single pattern than the interfering ones, it was common to have people in patterns on both runways (gusty inconsistent winds, with no Control tower and a bunch of old rural pilots facilitated this).

That said, it is never (additionally) dangerous to have intersecting patterns/runways, controllers and pilots are aware of the additional consideration to be given to the situation. The infrequency of aircraft traffic and vast separations between individual aircraft mean intersecting runways are many times safer than intersecting roads.

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bighaben: Nice airport but the gates are a little too close to the taxiways. Otherwise, it's a good set up :-)

I've gone mad creating (and destroying) airports lately, so here are a couple of mine. Some are incomplete so please be nice 9.gif These are from the Democratic States of Pixodarus, my current and best region.

P.s: Some of the logo's are from real airports, I just edited them.

Terminal 1 of Dariva Airport (I plan on expanding the main terminal building)

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This is Terminal 2 and Terminal 3 along with the ATCT and the end of the T1 concourse

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This is the Private Terminal and Cargo Terminal areaDarivaAirport3.jpg

Next is my biggest ever airport project, and still under construction, Eris International Airport

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Next is a smaller airport, Montpellier Regional

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Finally, the really incomplete, recently revamped (I posted an old version several weeks ago), O'Brien International

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Yep, they are way to close to the taxiways, but the good news is those aren't the taxiways that would be used by airplanes moving by, unless from a nearby gate. Still not very good design, but I was limited on space...at least if I wanted to do expansion. Which I do, as it is part of a CJ.

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to all: wonderful airports in here espacially to The_Hutt: Also wonderful airport, just noticed you've got these extra wide runways. I've got them but after a new install I lost them anyhow. Do you know which airport pack contained them, I don't know and I haven't found them yet. If anybody else knows, please tell me

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Here are some airports in my region:

Images are compressed.  Click the images to view them in FULL RESOLUTION!!!


Ultimate International Airport

Overview:  (airport spread over city boundaries, its the best way to maximize its capacity for the region)

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Crossings International

Overview #1: (its a big one!)

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Overview #2: (its a big one!)

The image

Highway tunnel under the runway:

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Stack interchanges in the middle of the airport:

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Busy parking lots:

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Eric George International

Overview:

The image

Spaceport in the Airport:

The image

Airport expressway:

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Originally posted by: joeserov Here's my little project, it's not finished yet but I'm close:

James A. Preston Columbia County International (PCX)

PCX is a real-scale 16m-per-tile 'small international airport' I constructed for my region, Columbia County. The airport grounds extend across portions of 5 cities. I took inspiration for the runway & taxiway layout from New York La Guardia. The main runway is 2.64 km, which could accomodate real-scale takeoff runs by the 767 automata if they were modded to do so. I'm not done with the road & rail networks outside the terminal yet, but the stubs are in place.

This is a 7-image composite overview. Bigger image here (836K). All 7 pics were taken at zoom level 2, but I had to cut file size so they look like level 1.

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great airport

p.s. is there any other way to get this grass that matches grass from strips?(becouse molibdo's don't work to me)

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Good God haljackey, those airports are fantastic! It also blends into the City quite nicely.

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You realize the FAA would have a heart attack if you had planes taking-off & landing within a few hundred feet of a high-rise jungle, no?

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All the airports look simply Outstanding everybody.

haljackey....Not too fond of the airport next to your buildings. But if it works. hey...why not? LOL Great stuff. 4.gif

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