Simtropols dying?

[jcabassa 20]

Unfortunately, I do believe that Simtropolis is slowly but surley losing its touch more and more each day. Hence my sig that reads 'Simtropolis; a fading light.' I don't think that it's the other emerging fan sites that are slowing down ST, but I think it's the 'P.C' aspect of Simtropolis that is ruining it for me, and threads like this one, and more threads about friggin Global Warming than SC4, which happens to be what this site is supposed to be all about. This might as well be a site dedicated to Global Warming discussion, hence my sig once again. Don't get me wrong, as an activist, my political beliefs are strong and I love discussing politics, but there's a time and place for that, and I don't think that ST should be one of those places. We have to have some place to get away from that. I'm here at ST for SC, the game, so when will we get the old ST back where we discuss the GAME, and everyone is friends, literally, not just sucking up to people with the more professional cjs and posting fake responses to get comments on a cj? That's the ST I remember, we all talked and knew each other, I miss that. That's why I think ST is dying. I love Simtropolis, but I don't like how it's being spoiled.

[beebs 129]

Guys.. Instead of rehashing whats been covered in a thousand threads before this, why don't you offer possible solutions to issues? That would be a lot more productive/helpful than going about saying "Well, this sucks!" and not saying why or what a better way to do it would be.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Now here we are again in a foam over nothing. 

ST is not dying.  It is behaving like every very large underfunded board. 

Because of the no advertising policy, even though we have a very large membership, we probably won't improve much.  But we won't go away, either.

This thread is a waste of disk space and a moderator in this section or an admin should close it.

[Mikeaut1 261]

This thread is increasingly becoming useless. As someone mentioned, we shouldn't be listing our grieveances about the site anymore, and especially bashing the site. It really upsets me when I see members of Simtropolis bashing the site, even when they're active. I see no point in bashing a site that you visit frequently, it's quite hypocritical too.

In my opinion, I think it was a wrong move to relocate files from the STEX to other sites. Even though the owners of the material chose that route, I think it really makes searching on the STEX harder. But that's just my opinion. I think most people would rather not have multiple accounts to access material that was previously on the STEX.

If we aren't going to discuss possible solutions, (as beebs mentioned, great idea!) then the existence of this thread is pointless. I'm not even sure if there are possible solutions, but this thread can remain open as long as there is no bashing of the site and its members.

[dolphin66 5]

Beebs and Mikeaut: I spent endless days making suggestions and most of it fell on deaf ears so what's the point in making suggestions? NO one listens when you make them. I've waited for months now and still nothing. Another point...ST wasn't the only thing that got bashed in this thread

[BarbyW 40]

In my opinion, I think it was a wrong move to relocate files from the STEX to other sites. Even though the owners of the material chose that route, I think it really makes searching on the STEX harder. But that's just my opinion. I think most people would rather not have multiple accounts to access material that was previously on the STEX. quote>

Creators have the right to move or upload where THEY wish not where is convenient.

[jcabassa 20]

No one's bashing anything!

That's another reason ST just isn't the same. Every little thing you say is exaggerated and considered 'bashing.'

[hamsterTK 93]

It really upsets me when I see members of Simtropolis bashing the site, even when they're active. I see no point in bashing a site that you visit frequently, it's quite hypocritical too. quote>

Maybe because since they enjoy the basic premise of the site they want it to be a better place. Regardless of whether or not airing grievances really constructive, given the spur-of-the-moment nature of most forum posts I doubt that every poster who said something critical of ST was doing so to "bash" simtropolis.

[jcabassa 20]

Originally posted by: hamsterTK

It really upsets me when I see members of Simtropolis bashing the site, even when they're active. I see no point in bashing a site that you visit frequently, it's quite hypocritical too. quote>

Maybe because since they enjoy the basic premise of the site they want it to be a better place. Regardless of whether or not airing grievances really constructive, given the spur-of-the-moment nature of most forum posts I doubt that every poster who said something critical of ST was doing so to "bash" simtropolis.

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Exactly. Thank you for understanding.

[Mikeaut1 261]

Maybe because since they enjoy the basic premise of the site they want it to be a better place.quote>

That is true in many instances. But there are also a handful that come here just for the sake of whining.

No one's bashing anything!quote>

Threads like these always take a turn for the worse. There was already an instance on page one of something similar to this.

Creators have the right to move or upload where THEY wish not where is convenient. quote>

That is also true, I just never understood the reason why those files were moved.

Beebs and Mikeaut: I spent endless days making suggestions and most of it fell on deaf ears so what's the point in making suggestions? NO one listens when you make them. I've waited for months now and still nothing. Another point...ST wasn't the only thing that got bashed in this threadquote>

Well not every suggestion you make will follow through. But the site does respect the thoughts of the people using it.

As someone mentioned on the previous page, I think this story is old now. I mean, what left is there to argue about? I readily admit as well that the site is not the way it used to be, but  things change. And nothing that has changed is really that bad anyway. The site continues to grow everyday in terms of population, city journals are being created, Omnibus is expanding, the staff is doing their jobs. I just don't see the need for the constant bicker about something that really isn't even that arguable anymore.

[Firebird 40]

True Mikeaut. This topics kind of lost its flare for helpful conversation.

[mightygoose 92]

i think, well i think there is alot of things behind clsed doors going on, political things, at this site, and that harms the site. everyone has seen the future of simtropolis thread flash up on the latest post in this board, and it makes me wonder.... when di we elect the people to be in that thread, assuming that thread makes any form of decisions, i assumed the dirktator thing was a joke.....

[Poetic 0]

Well it's based on a somewhat older game (by today's standards). Yeah, SC4 is open ended and I personally still like to play it - but graphically (especially with the grid issues) it reminds me of games I used to play years ago. I don't know if it's as much Simtropolis's problem as it is that the game it's based on is getting older.

When (and if... I certainly hope so) SC5 is released Simtropolis will probably get a huge boost in membership, new BATs, MODs, etc... Of course, with Spore, it'll be a while.

[Jasoncw 12,025]

The dirktator thing is a half-joke.  It's not serious, just a joke, but when it comes down to it, he has the final say, and what he says goes, so it is a half-joke.  But after all, he owns the site, so it is his right.  It's just being playful about his position.

I don't know that I fully understand what you mean about "when did we elect the people to be in that thread" but I've never heard of a website having elections for their staff members (if that's what you meant).

[Tropod 144]

I have probably spent more time than I care to remember on the NAM, probably more so than anyone else, along with the7trumpets & redlotus (& perhaps a few others), especially in regards to the R&D aspects. Never have I felt that it belonged to me though. As far as it being produced by Simtropolis; this is simply a recognition for what ST has provided, its roots are here, but it certainly does not belong here like some piece of property or furniture. All good projects need direction, so sometimes this may necessitate a change, those working on a project would probably know this best. Ultimately though, NAM belongs to the SimCity community, wherever that community may be.

[patriots_1228 51]

i agree with Tropod.

[crazyyaya 4]

I really hope the sites not dying, its a great site.

[Kevin 101]

These threads are really starting to annoy me. All they do is answer the same questions and restart old arguments that have already been settled.

Simtropolis is not "dying." It has its share of problems, some of which are, and some of which aren't presently being dealt with. The ones that aren't are due to a lack of ability, not a lack of desire. Either way, Simtropolis continues to attract hundreds of new members each month and is still the hub of the SC4 community.

Other fansites are not out to get Simtropolis, and indeed, the administrators of those websites know that they owe a great deal to ST. They have chosen to go down their own path in order to enrich and expand the SC4 community as they see fit, not to viciously take it over.

Everyone in the SC4 community, not matter what site you choose to call "home," has the same goal: to get the most out of Simcity 4. When people lose sight of that they get into stupid arguments that inevitably result in bitter relationships that serve no purpose to the community.

As for this thread, and ones like it: if their purpose is to suggest positive changes for Simtropolis and the SC4 community, then they are not only acceptable but they are necessary. Community input and discussion is a healthy thing, and everyone will benefit from it.

If, for whatever reason, the discussion becomes a pointless fight, then the thread itself is worthless to the community and can only serve to damage it.

And finally, not to kill the sentiment of this post, but I've sat here for about a half hour trying to think of a way to end it and I've given up. I think you all get the idea... so... peace. love.

--89

[SpecialEddie 3]

Well why don't we ask Simtropolis ourself?

"Simtropolis, are you dying?"

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[MrCinatit 30]

If you look back at its history, Simtropolis has died so many times, what I log into every day must be a mirage.

A few years ago, it was dying as the likes of ILive, Hodges, 7Trumpets, Buggi, Sharr, and many of our original Modd Squadd were no longer as active.

The site went on.

A few years after that, it was dying as more original legends such as Ralph, GouRou, Aronian, Jcabassa, baco and other original squadders, BATters and admins left.

The site went on.

Many BSC members have gone to other sites.

But, the site has gone on.

Would we like to see those old members back? Would we like to return to the glory days?

Sure - but some have moved on from the game. Some have decided to call other places home.

Is there anything wrong with that?

Absolutely not. People have free will: Free will to leave the site if they wish, free will to upload their content to wherever they chose, free will to post where they chose...you get the picture.

Yes, we have lost a lot of people - but many have remained, or even returned after long hiatus'. Tropod, Buggi, and Marrast have popped in and out (we are like an addiction to some). Some have remained for a very long time, such as SkiGeek, AfroThunda, MrBisonM, MayorMommy, Mr. Beer, rewright, jacqulina, Cjah, NO_Body, Palpatine, Dr. Neitchskrimfrauwnmoya , Vanderaap, ill tonkso, gscmails, the Barry Sanders Project...the list goes on.

Meanwhile, newer users continue to make their voices hear: BLaM, the HK BAT team, and hundreds of great City Journalists continue to prove that the injection of new blood can only help.

Are we dying? Nope, I don't think so.

Will we live forever? I seriously doubt it - forever is a very short time in the internet.

Are we the most important SC4 site? Personally, I do not think so - and I think that ANY site which declares itself such has absolutely no clue as to what the big picture of a community is.

[____----____ 37]

i gotta say ST is having issues no doubt, but as others have said it is the #1 place for new creative content and the STEX is by far the best content exchange. I moved my cj off site because it was getting old putting so much time into what i was sharing and having people just leave a bunch of generic "looks nice" comments, just to see their post count go up. Needless to say i will continue lurking, dowloading great content and occaisionally sharing some pics with my buddies in chat or rate one image, have a nice day all, and long live ST.

and please people if you are gonna comment on anything, don't just throw up a "looks good" actually tell them why, they will really appreciate it and the work will get better.

[IDS2 3,436]

ST has become less active. But it hasn't died. With all the new people here, we should be questioning growth. Sure, many members left over these years, but so? There's always someone else to welcome in and introduce. Besides, with more great BATS everyday on the STEX, more interactive sports, more great cjs, we shouldn't really question dying. Until the simcity series is over. And even then some of us will still be here.

[mayormommy 8]

CART MASTER: Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang]

CUSTOMER: Here's one.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!

CART MASTER: What?

CUSTOMER: Nothing. Here's your ninepence.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!

CART MASTER: 'Ere. He says he's not dead!

CUSTOMER: Yes, he is.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not!

CART MASTER: He isn't?

CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.

DEAD PERSON: I'm getting better!

CUSTOMER: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.

CART MASTER: Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.

DEAD PERSON: I don't want to go on the cart!

CUSTOMER: Oh, don't be such a baby.

CART MASTER: I can't take him.

DEAD PERSON: I feel fine!

CUSTOMER: Well, do us a favour.

CART MASTER: I can't.

CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.

CART MASTER: No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.

CUSTOMER: Well, when's your next round?

CART MASTER: Thursday.

DEAD PERSON: I think I'll go for a walk.

CUSTOMER: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?

DEAD PERSON: [singing] I feel happy. I feel happy. [whomp!]

CUSTOMER: Ah, thanks very much.

[Glenni 1,447]

Originally posted by: jcabassa  We have to have some place to get away from that. I'm here at ST for SC, the game, so when will we get the old ST back where we discuss the GAME, and everyone is friends, literally, not just sucking up to people with the more professional cjs and posting fake responses to get comments on a cj? That's the ST I remember, we all talked and knew each other, I miss that. That's why I think ST is dying. I love Simtropolis, but I don't like how it's being spoiled.quote>

You know, that is exactly how i feel too, i mean, what happened to chat, all the people that actually "knew" each other since they were seen regularely in chat, and talked about modding, batting cjing, exchanging pics in chats  etc etc, it still goes on but not in the same way as it used to, instead we see all this constant nonsense and bickering   about global warming, global chilling , global twisting , global tapering and whatever comes to people's minds.... And once somebody disagree with something it just turns into one heck of a flame war as usual...

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[Krio 626]

Maybe all kind of political poop and public mourning should be banned in ST.

[SpecialEddie 3]

Originally posted by: aleking and please people if you are gonna comment on anything, don't just throw up a "looks good" actually tell them why, they will really appreciate it and the work will get better.quote>

 

Thank you! I'm sick of all the "Can't wait for more" and half-hearted "good job" comments. CJ'ers work hard making the updates, at least give a little bit of effort to give a detailed reply (more than 3 words?). I'm starting to think if the CJ forum is becoming another Forum Game location--a place where people can spam to get their post count up.

[Krio 626]

Originally posted by: SpecialEddie

Originally posted by: aleking and please people if you are gonna comment on anything, don't just throw up a "looks good" actually tell them why, they will really appreciate it and the work will get better.quote>

 

Thank you! I'm sick of all the "Can't wait for more" and half-hearted "good job" comments. CJ'ers work hard making the updates, at least give a little bit of effort to give a detailed reply (more than 3 words?). I'm starting to think if the CJ forum is becoming another Forum Game location--a place where people can spam to get their post count up.quote>

Very true. But I also sometimes say "good job" when I'm tired. Usually when people say something constructive criticsm, there will be flaming accusisation and other crap. So no wonder that people say "good job" and "nice". But I have seen that in devotion too, but not so much.

[hamsterTK 93]

And once somebody disagree with something it just turns into one heck of a flame war as usual...quote>

Maybe all kind of political poop and public mourning should be banned in ST.quote>

Like they say, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen....

What I mean is that this place is rather tame in the grand scheme of things.

[frogface 354]

Originally posted by: SpecialEddie

Originally posted by: aleking and please people if you are gonna comment on anything, don't just throw up a "looks good" actually tell them why, they will really appreciate it and the work will get better.quote>

 

Thank you! I'm sick of all the "Can't wait for more" and half-hearted "good job" comments. CJ'ers work hard making the updates, at least give a little bit of effort to give a detailed reply (more than 3 words?). I'm starting to think if the CJ forum is becoming another Forum Game location--a place where people can spam to get their post count up.quote>

I agree, I know i'm not very good at posting long essay comments but I do mean what I say and whenI post on a CJ its one that has caught my eye.  its annoying that some people have spammed the CJ section with 3 word comments, sometimes even twice or three times about the same update, and dont get me started on people who keep bumping up their own CJ's too It really does feel like another forum games section now and more needs to be done about spam.

as for ST dying? i dont feel it is, ST has been claimed to be "dying" since 03. Things change

[sc4portugal 10]

Originally posted by: mayormommy

CART MASTER: Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang]

CUSTOMER: Here's one.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!

CART MASTER: What?

CUSTOMER: Nothing. Here's your ninepence.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead!

CART MASTER: 'Ere. He says he's not dead!

CUSTOMER: Yes, he is.

DEAD PERSON: I'm not!

CART MASTER: He isn't?

CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.

DEAD PERSON: I'm getting better!

CUSTOMER: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.

CART MASTER: Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.

DEAD PERSON: I don't want to go on the cart!

CUSTOMER: Oh, don't be such a baby.

CART MASTER: I can't take him.

DEAD PERSON: I feel fine!

CUSTOMER: Well, do us a favour.

CART MASTER: I can't.

CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.

CART MASTER: No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.

CUSTOMER: Well, when's your next round?

CART MASTER: Thursday.

DEAD PERSON: I think I'll go for a walk.

CUSTOMER: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?

DEAD PERSON: [singing] I feel happy. I feel happy. [whomp!]

CUSTOMER: Ah, thanks very much.

quote>

 

Monty Python and the Holy Grail