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[Easy Bakes 253]

What About The Galactica VS A Star Destroyer?

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More of an even match I think...but which Galactica? I prefer the old one and the old series, probably because it was the Galactica of my youth, when it was more of a story and less of an emotional rollercoaster.

[Zelgadis 638]

I believe that a Star Destroyer would make mincemeat out of the Galactica, no matter which series you're talking about.  The Galactica would be outmanned and outgunned and I don't think the Galactica could do enough damage so something so big as a Star Destroyer in time.

ISF

[6underground 11]

How about a Peacekeeper Command Carrier vs a Star Destroyer

Command carriers are the capital ships of the Peacekeeper fleet in the fictional Farscape universe.

Command carriers serve as a mobile base of operations for the Peacekeepers; they are immense ships with a crew complement of about 50,000. Many peacekeepers live their entire lives on a command carrier, and they have all the creature comforts needed to sustain their large crews (including large indoor "gardens" that simulate a planet's surface and are used for combat training exercises).

Command carriers primarily rely on their large complements of Prowlers and Marauders to project Peacekeeper power where needed. They are however powerful battleships in their own right, armed with four Frag Cannons (2 fore, 2 aft) they each have a 90-degree radius of fire allowing for target acquisition all around the ship and protected by powerful defence screens. It is also rumoured to have Missiles/Rockets however was never seen in action in an epsisode. They are also quite fast, as the crew onboard Moya have to routinely starburst away when a command carrier gets too close, but they never seem to stay ahead of them for very long.

While used as a plot device in the series, this indicates that Command Carriers and most other space vessels in the Farscape universe are not equipped to achieve instant FTL speeds, as it is possible in other popular science fiction universes.

Larger variants of Command Carriers exist and are attached to fleets as flagships (The Zelbinion may have been one of these variants due to the remarks that have been made in the series about its size and power). If these vessels are destroyed whole fleets can be thrown into disarray and will eventually crumble.

My verdict; Peacekeeper Command Carrier and it's large compliment of prowlers marauders and defence screens anyday. Plus, Peacekeepers are ruthless, their entire society is based on harsh and brutal meritocracy.

[Zelgadis 638]

Just wondering, does anime sci-fi count in here? 

I was just thinking of Neon Genesis Evangelion today.  One of my favorites even though it ended kind of wierd...

ISF

[Palpatine001 57]

Originally posted by: zelgadis Wow, palpatine, you wrote a lot. 

Couple of things:

I think first contact between humans and Borg was with the original NX-01 Enterprise.  However, the Borg were rather underdeveloped at the time and the Enterprise only encountered one Borg ship, in which Captain Archer and crew managed to kill them all.quote>

Correct first contact with the Borg and Humans was in Archers time although that screwed around the time line a little bit.

However as I said First contact between the Borg and Federation was in TNG with Picard, remembering as Admiral McCoy put it in the Dominion War, 'everyone thinks time begins with the Federation and medicine was around before the Federation.

My fav, TNG and SG1 although no O'Neal makes things a bit bland although the Ori have given Earth a run for its money.

Hmm Battle Star Galactica vs a Imperial Star Destroyer, interesting pair I say a Star Destroyer would win in the Galactica went broadside to SD and the SD opened up with her heavy turbolasers, front on though Galactica would win with her from missile and nuke missile batteries although a ion cannon strike from a SD would cripple her. A Battlestar vs a Star Trek Federation ship, ummm still on the Federation as phasers can hit missiles and photon torpedo are long range and can be fired at WARP Speed.

I was wundering when some one was gonna bring in a Peacekeep Command Carrier, those things are awesome and yes damn powerful, they would give a Star Destroyer Fleet a run for her money and Federation Vessels only advantage would be to fire high yielding photo torpedos at WARP Speed to have any chance in cripping the carrier, although for once fighters would be a serious threat, fighters with nukes on board, use the nuke blasts to take out fighters and cripple the escort ships leaving the carrier wide open for repeated nuke strikes.

[Palpatine001 57]

I also remember ships dont like sustained EMP's from nuke strikes much and hard radiation does play havoc with targeting sensors, so again fighters with nukes backed up with larger cruisers can be effective but it will be costly. Whoever designed the Peacekeep Carrier was some what of a genius, they are impressive.

[6underground 11]

I love their design, the literally LOOK the part. You see it, you want to run. It's not a "pleasure craft" like so many federation starships. Peacekeeper Carriers speak for themselves. that's not to say i dont like federation starships, i like most of their designs and they suit "federation culture". =D

Did we also mention that Peacekeeper Command Carriers are capable of destroying entire planets?

I have a 3dmodel of a peacekeeper command carrier on my hard-drive somewhere, perhaps, if there are some requests, i should render some views of it. So everyone gets a clear picture of how lethal these ships are. =D

*Realises he sounds like Scorpies Propoganda Minister*

[Odainsaker 2,135]

Oh, come on, how about a Star Destroyer versus the hulking SDF-1 of Robotech and Macross fame? Just broadcast teenage Japanese popstar Minmei's singing on all the channels, and the entire Imperial Fleet would be left in disarray. Minmei's singing has annihilated alien armadas with millions of warships and brought down mighty galactic empires.

If Robotech or Macross were ever somehow made into good live-action movies, I will be flabbergasted with glee! It is not often you get to see an entire Pacific island, its urban metropolis, the surrounding UN navy fleet, and even most of the ocean "accidently" warp folded into deep space near the orbit of Pluto. Whoopsie! And then there is the j-pop singer whose teeny-bop voice destroys whole alien fleets, lololololol...

Ah, I'm reliving old-school space anime, of which one of the most groundbreaking was the classic 1970s series "Star Blazers" (aka Uchu Senkan Yamato or  "Space Battleship Yamato").  They actually rebuilt and outfitted the sunken wreck of the WW2 Japanese flagship Yamato into a heavily armed spaceship whose soap opera adventures would save the Earth from the typically hostile alien invaders.  The Yamato in space, how cool is that!

[ExiL3 10]

Hmm.. normally don't argue about what sci-fi's the best... but come on! Get real!

NOTHING beats STARGÅTE SG-1 and STARGÅTE Atlantis!!!!

BTW  ; Å comes from the norwegian alphabet, as Ø and Æ.

take care,

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: Odainsaker

Ah, I'm reliving old-school space anime, of which one of the most groundbreaking was the classic 1970s series "Star Blazers" (aka Uchu Senkan Yamato or  "Space Battleship Yamato").  They actually rebuilt and outfitted the sunken wreck of the WW2 Japanese flagship Yamato into a heavily armed spaceship whose soap opera adventures would save the Earth from the typically hostile alien invaders.  The Yamato in space, how cool is that!

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I  remember watching that  a long time ago. Not in the 70's but later.

I remember they ran the whole series   30 minutes/day  2  times and both times i missed the final episode.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Originally posted by: ExiL3 Hmm.. normally don't argue about what sci-fi's the best... but come on! Get real!

NOTHING beats STARGÅTE SG-1 and STARGÅTE Atlantis!!!!

BTW  ; Å comes from the norwegian alphabet, as Ø and Æ.

take care,quote>

TV shows come and go.  The simplistic plots don't hold a candle to good novels.  Try reading Foundation by Isaac Asimov (I am sure it is available in Norwegian).  Space operas are all very well, but they fall in the defintion of sci fi, which is the plural of scum fum.

[6underground 11]

SG-1, I stopped watching it, not really out of choice but, just that i couldnt really connect to it anymore. I can't remember what season it was, but it was years ago. I'm really happy that Ben Browder and Claudia Black were reunited after "farscape", They both have incredible chemistry onscreen.

As for Stargate Atlantis, what can i say, i stopped watching after the first 5 episodes. It has some of the worst acting ive seen in a long time (IMO). The lead guy has as much depth as a piece of aluminium foil and the storylines just dont hold my attention. I dont FEEL for the characters in the slightest and as an screenwriter will tell you: "Thats a big no, no".

It's a shame IMO, that standard run of the mill crap continues on TV while the "good ones" dies off. By "good one" i actually mean the sci-fi shows that dont apologise for being unique or different. *cries over Farscape* =P

The only piece of sci-fi right now that really holds my attention and interest, is the new BSG. I, for one, cannot wait until season 3.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: 6underground SG-1, I stopped watching it, not really out of choice but, just that i couldnt really connect to it anymore. I can't remember what season it was, but it was years ago. I'm really happy that Ben Browder and Claudia Black were reunited after "farscape", They both have incredible chemistry onscreen.

As for Stargate Atlantis, what can i say, i stopped watching after the first 5 episodes. It has some of the worst acting ive seen in a long time (IMO). The lead guy has as much depth as a piece of aluminium foil and the storylines just dont hold my attention. I dont FEEL for the characters in the slightest and as an screenwriter will tell you: "Thats a big no, no".

It's a shame IMO, that standard run of the mill crap continues on TV while the "good ones" dies off. By "good one" i actually mean the sci-fi shows that dont apologise for being unique or different. *cries over Farscape* =P

The only piece of sci-fi right now that really holds my attention and interest, is the new BSG. I, for one, cannot wait until season 3.quote>

 

Add Firefly to the list Unique shows that dont seem to  become hugly popular in the 1st few shows and get dumped.

[Zelgadis 638]

The new BSG is at completely the opposite end of the spectrum.  While some shows may be shallow, the new BSG gets far too bogged down in character development, to the point of redundancy.  Eventually, I had to say, "Enough already!"

Which is why I quit watching it fairly quickly.

I'm not a big fan of Atlantis.  But I thought SG-1 did a pretty decent job of character development. 

I always thought that Star Trek was one of the best at striking a balance between character development and "wow factor."

ISF

[Joesocwork 4]

I think character development matters b/c it can compensate when plots become cookie cutter and special effects diminish.   Character tends to keep me in or push me out of shows.  I know in novels & short stories that it is all theatre of the mind anyway.  But I haven't time to read anything extensive for long sittings in a looooong time.

There a lot of S-F/ fantasy shows that I don't  "discover" until after they've started showing, like SG-1, Firefly, or even Smallville.   All of those shows hooked me when there appeared to be good chemistry between the cast. 

I don't know if it's the familiarity with the characters or whatever else but I can contentedly watch repeats of the first Star Trek and SG-1 (and other non S/F like M*A*S*H and Law and Order) over & over; The Magistrate has a thing for NYPD Blue and Gunsmoke repeats.

Speaking of which, I've always thought that the new BSG does remind me of NYPD Blue or a lot of the other character driven dramas of the '90's.   The show does expend people a little too readily though.

With Atlantis, I think the leading guy is rather too laid back; in the pilot he took over by default when the "movie star" (the cyborg fr T-2?) got killed.  McKay is a little too obnoxious; but  I liked the recent episode between him & his sister.

I liked the middle-aged, rather plain looking guy in the Dr. Who episodes that showed over here last spring.  He had lots of energy and enthusiasm.  I imagine the newer younger guy is probably doing okay in the U.K., but I like the idea of an average bloke having as much charisma.

I didn't watch Smallville until the subsequent season when Christopher Reeve appeared; I wasn't into the concept of Superman w/ teen angst.  But the Reeve episode tied in the origins and has had me watching to find out how Clark Kent becomes Superman and how Lex Luthor, who is still quite empathetic, becomes a mega-villian.

[Palpatine001 57]

Hmmmm the new series of BSG is one hell of a roller coaster ride, swinging from one thing to the next faster than you could type a word on a this screen. However season 2.5 is going to be interesting with everything so screwed up at the moment, now you try and beat a Cylon actual occupation.

Not paying much attention to Atlantis as it is somewhat boring me at the moment and I am waiting for Season 10 and seeing how Earth will be the Ori (Hallowed are the Ori - more to the point Hallowed is my imperial -well- backside)

Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy (the book not movie) was some comical relief, talk about satirising things on Earth, then there is Spaceballs, hmmmmm no comments there as I get into trouble for quoting a famous set of lines regarding "I am completely surround by ---s!

I am gonna defend the call on Starfleet Vessels being pleasure craft, sure the Galaxy (amongst others) carried civilians in the past but after the Borg and Dominion strikes, they no longer so. Starfleet Vessels pack more than their fair punch in fire power compared to other ships by say Klingons and Romulans.

Anyhow in Empire at War, I cheated a little bit, I got together with a modding team and ummmm overhauled an Imperial Class Star Destroyer.

How about this for you average Star Destroyer

All bar the broadside heavy turbo lasers have been replaced with light phasers, with heavy phasers on the foward nose and dorsal + ventral spines where some medium turbo lasers are

kept the ion cannons

replaced the proton torpedo launchers with Quantum Torpedo Launchers - gotta love antimatter

replaced its hyper matter core with a standard M/AMRA or Warp Core

and got rid of those cursed TIE fighters and replaced them with modified A wings and ARC 170s

Oh and replaced the sheilds with Federation Starfleet shields

and yes fitted two space bomb launchers that deliver a 1000 isotonne antimatter blast - enough to put a dent in a planet if not destroy it

Now that should pack a punch against most ships - what u think?

[Zelgadis 638]

The Star Destroyers have an advantage of size, so lots of other interesting things could be added to them that Starfleet vessles cannot carry. 

I'm reminded of when the main deflector on the Enterprise-D was used as a weapon in The Best of Both Worlds.  The Enterprise could only handle one blast before it burned out key systems.  But with the resources on a ship the size of a Star Destroyer, it could be implemented as a viable weapon.

Then, add multiphasic shields, ablative hull armor, and impulse drive for greater maneuverability, you have one kick-butt warship! 

Oh, and move the bridge of the thing somewhere else.  It's so big and obvious, they might as well have painted a giant target on it.

Then again, the bridges of Federation ships are, essentially, as obvious as hood ornaments.  So no marks there.

Oh, and Spaceballs was great!  Lots of great lines in that one.

"Keep firing, [censored]!"

"What is it that you do here?"

"Merchandising!"

"Whatsa matter, Colonel Sanders?  Chicken?"

"Even in the future, nothing works!"

"Yes!  I always have coffee when I watch radar!"

ISF

[ExiL3 10]

N_O_Body: I agree, how could I forget, just finished reading DEEPSIX by Jack McDevitt. It was a pleasure to read that book. And yes I have heard much about Isaac Asimov, I am definatly going to buy some of his books, and now I know which to buy first! thanks,

Oh btw, I don't read books in norwegian, only english.

6underground: Hi, yeah well  there are big differences between the episodes in SG:Antlantis. Though I kinda like the humor that is mixed in with all the action. Oh, and I thought too that they had kind of a tough start, thugh now things are getting more interesting now in season 2.

- I have never understood Startrek though. I know that it's science fiction, but I never quite understood why the most important persons on the ship "enterprise" should risk their lives on all the missions they do.

SG don't have that same problem, it's not like the general comes with on every journey the SG-1 team is on, he actually never leaves earth. That is much more logical than beaming down the captain of a ship to risk his life on a uknown planet, or???

Help me on this one...

take care,

[Zelgadis 638]

The captain often put himself in dangerous situations in the original Star Trek, but sometime between then and The Next Generation, that was against the rules.

From TNG onwards, you see the first officer in the most dangerous situations, usually.

ISF

[Joesocwork 4]

^^My brother who served in the U.S. Navy told that the TNG model is more realistic from Real Life. Even in my agency, it's the front lines staff that are well, front line. Management tends to supervise and Upper Management tends to try keep the figureheads in the outside world happy.

[Palpatine001 57]

Hmmmmm on regards to the location of Bridges and Bridge Superstructures; well sure in the case of Star Trek and Wars the you might as well have painted a huge freakin HIT ME HERE NUMBNUTS! sign on them as you could notice them miles (light years away) although in saying that the shields surrounding the bridge of a Starfleet Vessel were pretty powerful (until Nemisis saw to that) and I am sure the shield generators were located on the bridge super structure of a Star Destroyer and gave it good protection from cruisers. I must say though in that regard to our modern Navy ships, isnt the Bridge located at the top of the super structure of the vessel esp Cruisers and Carriers (the Island) making Star Trek and Wars ships somewhat realistic and having the same HIT ME HERE NUMBNUTS concept when under attack by the enemy (as it would be the 1st place to target by Air and Surface power/weapons when torpedos aren't arround?

Correct, after the Accords with the Klingons, rules were changed by the Federation Council regarding Starfleet operations, as pointed out on Nemisis Captains of Starfleet vessels were not allowed on away missions and usually led therefore by the 1st or 2nd officers. However being Captain Picard or Sisko or Janeway they usually ignored the rules and went anyhow. HOWEVER in diplomatic missions Starfleet Captains are expected to go as they are the representitives of the UFP (United Federation of Planets) - again Nemisis of which Picard is the only Federation person let alone captain (Spock not withstanding as he is not in "offical" Federation capacity) to see or be in the infamous Romulan Senate.

[Zelgadis 638]

I have to say, there's one thing that really, really irritates me about Star Trek.  And it goes like this:

Star Trek World:

Captain:  [gives an order]

Subordinate:  [replies with puzzlement]

Captain:  [gives convoluted explanation to advance plot]

Subordinate:  [finally follows original order]

Real life:

Captain:  [gives order]

Subordinate:  [replies with puzzlement]

Captain:  [threatens death if orders are ever questioned or not immediately followed again]

Subordinate:  [follows original order]

Captain:  [sends subordinate to court-martial, possibly after beating the beejeebers out of him]

This happens far too often in Star Trek.

ISF

[Micah 16]

Another awful part about Star Trek is trying to be consistent.

In the series' sixth episode, one character declares that the ship has a non-replaceable supply of 38 photon torpedoes, but by the end of the series' run a minimum of 93 have been fired (fansite). These extra torpedoes were never explained. Others have pointed out the fifteen shuttlecraft lost by the crew (on a ship that, according to the show's "bible", carries only two). There are also inconsistencies in trans-warp theory, Borg technology and technological supremacy over the Federation, and astrometric data. Even the color of the trans-warp conduits changed between the episode entitled "Dark Frontier" and the series' finale, "Endgame." In addition, aliens that Voyager encountered thousands of light-years away would reappear on the show. For example, in the seventh season episode entitled "Homestead", Voyager encounters a Talaxian colony deep in the Delta Quadrant. The Talaxians claim they fled the war that tore their planet apart and created this colony. However, their homeworld is 40 thousand light-years away from the colony, meaning it would have taken them forty years to travel that distance. However, it only took them about five.

(All from Wikipedia, but Wikipedia can explain it better than I can)

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

The real truth of Star Trek (all versions) is that the characters are all Tlaxlu Gholas completely under the control of the shows sponsors.  Even the bridge mentat, Spock, is a ghola.

[defcon pilot 0]

I believe this will be of interest to Stargate fans.

[The boy formerly known as Evil Muzz 27]

Character development is extremely important in TV series or long running sagas. For example Star Wars Episode 1-3. You really felt happy for Anakin at the start when he was freed and was to become a Jedi, and you got to connect with his character throughout episode 2... but then in Episode 3 you felt kind of sorry for him because just as he had said wouldn't happen, the Dark Side got him...

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

And then, the next time you see Luke, he is a fully developed teenager, into fast cars and robotics.  Unfortunately, he falls under the influence of this monastic order and soon becomes a cleric in the order.  May the farce be with you.

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Originally posted by: N_O_Body And then, the next time you see Luke, he is a fully developed teenager, into fast cars and robotics.  Unfortunately, he falls under the influence of this monastic order and soon becomes a cleric in the order.  May the farce be with you.quote>

I take it then you are not a fan?  It's just a good old fashioned adventure story, retold in a different setting.  No different from the types of adventure films that were made when you were young.

[ExiL3 10]

defcon pilot: oh, haha sweet stuff!

I just saw episode 10 season 10 SG1 and ep. 10 season 2 Atlantis today, my %#¤%¤#&& I hate it whey they go "to be continued" those two episodes were great, hope they find the weapon in SG1 and they get to recapture Atlantis, in Atlantis...

take care,