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Originally posted by: manticorefan Catholicism puts many mediators (and a 'mediatrix') between God and man, another rejection of the 'red words' in a regular Bible. Only Christ is the mediator between God and man... not the Pope, not Mary, and not the guy speaking Latin and swinging a censer full of incense. T quote> umm the Latin Mass was deregularised about 50 years ago (it's in the local language. here it's in Polish/English), you can sometimes find Latin Mass but it's hard. the Pope's job is never prayed to and it's called a thurifer (this is only dusted off at christmas day, easter and funerals plus the guy swinging it is either a deacon, altar server or a priest/member of clergy you don't pray to bishop/priest/deacon/cardinal/his holiness under any circumstances)

i was raised Catholic and after losing faith i then became Catholic of my own accord, not indoctriination. (i practice it too) most churches hereare Protestant and failing with old, dying populations so society's pressures are against faith. (when the priest of my church dies, the church closes forever with it) my faith is pretty much all i have

the USA is too spread out (suburban sprawl) so mass transit will have to be subsidised unless the suburbs were redeveloped into a low rise type area

umm china will fall since the west is sort of how you say - skint

it's about as boring as beige, dull as dishwater, as interesting as a wet carrot i say meh to it's height

i think south park did an episode where the internet "went away" and everyone moved to "Californiway" and the news team were like "there is no news as we havn't been able to receive news since it was done over the internet (what did we do before the internet?) next scene "a FAX is coming through the FAX IS WORKING" oh yes our global economy depends on people posting how much they love the jonas brothers and China getting a fraction of the whole internet (half is blocked by the great firewall of china anyway) but i thought that money was made by selling stuff like books,foodstuffs and machinery obviously now it is made through a ton of 1s and 0s. learning to start a fire is important since what do you do if it's cold and there is a powercut? and you have no matches. life was never easier before now but it was simpler as for the efficiency arguement i'm sure you wouldn't be a big fan of efficiency if it meant you were suddenly made redundant by a machine or computer programme

umm, i thought marriage is a religious thing and bnasically from what i've read it sounds like gays want to force churches into allowing them to get married i thought there was a law seperating church from state so the state has no right to interfere with the church

belfastuniguy: the reason we ban assisted suicide is because of a case involving Dr. Harold Shipman who gave old people lethal injections and claimed it was euthanasia when he was fiddling with wills, it is just too open for abuse

when people talk about how the bombing failed it means that we didn't surrender/give in/lose/whatever other term you want to use. Londons docks got bombed to hell and back along with almost all other industrial areas in Britain(such as Manchester,Birmingham,Glasgow etc.). even if Hitler attacked russia in summer he would of lost. the supply lines were so stretched that it was one bullet one kill. of course all of the core industries such as coal mining, steel making, were skint after the war since they were ordered by the government to do things for free like move 20 tons of coal 100 miles and not be get paid for it. this then essentially forced the government to buy those companies(nationalisation) since it could never justify giving the amounts of money it needed to private companies. our reward from being in the war was a national health service.

main problem with the gold standard is.... it gives gold mining companies the controlling stake in the economy since there is a recession on the way, the USA might consider building major infrastructure projects such as HSR since they require large workforces, provide oter jobs after construction and thigns such as steel and wood/concrete are cheap now

the thing about the USA and Britain doesn't like the USA was mostly created after the war, basically the americans who had helped us fund the war pulled the plug waay too early which then made rationing worse. British industry REALLY needed some investment in new machinery, a lot of textile mills used the ancient, clapped out victorian machinery from the 1850s when the factory was first built. we then had to jump through hoops to get a loan (that was too small really) from the USA with relativley high interest. we had to give up exchange controls on the pound sterling (on how many pounds you can sell) which then rocked our economy causing layoffs and instability. the pound was the international currency in the same way the dollar is now we had to send out conscripts on national service who were badly armed to fight communism in south korea at the drop of a hat. and be involved in americas foreign policy.

a lot of the southern irish don't like brits because during the 17th and 18th centuries British landowners bought land in northern ireland and moved lots of Brits there (a lot of protestants were transplanted deliberatley from Britain to Ireland) and see this as the cause of the troubles

i don't think you could put a date on it or a year but well, if the USA does get stepped over, it will experience what it did to us in the 1940s and 50s when the pound sterling was the world curency instead of the US dollar

i do beleive there was a woman who got a bladder grown for her about two or three years ago, so i'm not sure if this is really the first one (although a bladder is basically a balloon made of cells)

umm, big infrastructure projects like the Hoover dam, empire state building and Sydney harbour bridge were built a bit later on in a recession as in- after about 4 years of mile long soup kitchens and dole queues. we aren't at that stage of the big dole queues (UK) see this is when debt is considered acceptable you can hear yuppies talking about their mortgage "i've got a £120,000 mortgage" "i've got £140,000 mortgage and £5,000 of debt on top of that!" "HAH that's nothing i have £60,000 of debt NOT ncluding my mortgage for a historic 8 bedroomed house" that has somehow been acceptable in the UK that's like saying "i have a tumour" "i have cancer" "i have 2 days to live" we have Globalisation to thank for this what started off as americas problem has become the world's problem and what's worse is manufacturing cannot pick up the slack since old manufacturing jobs have been automated having said it's the USAs prblem it's also the property shows that somehow convinced us that buying a hovel and holding on to it and putting some curtains that cost £2.50 and getting £40,000 when you sell it 5 years later and speculators that caused the UKs bubble

terrible isn't it? people holding people to ransom over oil [said OPEC]

this should be called "the common energy distribution policy" i think this will turn out like the CAP and the CFP and places like Aberdeen (which is europes oil capital and is a dump) will lose out further it will allow federal control of all EU electricity and gas Britain's north sea oil doesn't supply Britain fully never mind the whole of europe

this reminds me of a book called natures end, where a depopulationist movement takes the world by storm and calls for the "volentary suicide of 2/3s orf the human population". the solution is making the developed world poorer

Lewis Hamilton just somehow.. intensly irritates me in the same way Tim Hedman does there was that guy from Portugal (i think) and he cam in the top 3 all the way through in a RENAULT peice of crap

i think 50 years is PLENTY of time to sort yourself out, we managed to sort ourselves out after WW2 and we were bombed to buggery, SKINT (i mean unable to afford stuff like chalk for school type skint the whole country (individuals,businesses and the government) was on the verge of bankrupcy), and unable to feed ourselves. So no more of this self pitying crap about stuff that happened 50 years ago

for some reason, people have this rather silly assumption that public national healthcare bans private healthcare. in the UK you get either NHS (National Health Service) or BUPA healthcare (private and expensive) as for "free marketeers" who seem to have wet dreams over the free market well, prices aren't very negotiable nowadays (bartering) so if the business demands £4 squillion then you either take it or leave it. Government has the peope to be accountable to but businesses can be as sleazy as the law lets it be. well ok what if you are one of those people who were doomed from birth to have either shaky or low pay then fine, either starve to death or die of whatever disease you have. But it does cost everyone money whether they avail themselves of the service or not. That lack of personal choice in whether or not you pay for it and how much makes it oppressive. Different people have different levels of what they want from healthcare. Some people are perfectly happy never going to the doctor. Others absolutely demand to see a doctor whenever they so much as get a cold. Why should the former group pay for the latter? Everyone paying equally is not fair, since not everyone uses equally. You pay for what you use. No more, no less. That's fair. And guess what? That's how our system works as is, things like Medicare and Medicaid notwithstanding (and I personally think those ought to be abolished, since they're both jokes and black holes for money).quote> that was the older system of the US and UK, the result is a financial disencentive for doctors to keep patients healthy the UKs problem is that we have successive government privatising bits of it (such as nurse training,catering,cleaning, the actual hospital buildings) from the 1970s onwards and each government either making cutbacks (Tories) or drowning it in bereaucracy and twisting the figures (Old & Labour) or selling bits of it to the PRIVATE sector(New Labour) an easy way to get rid of people calling 999 for an ambulance when they have the a cold (they don't go for them but the fact they call is horrendous) is to merley print on your payslip when they tax your income is "x% towards healthcare" and as for IT? well, since it would be the government providing this, the IT systems would not work (literally as is the case with school ones and things like the DVLA and child support databases) computerising things leaves important things in the hands of computers which have a tendancy to ignore common sense having modern X-ray equipment is important but having your medical files on one database ill end up in your data being lost/blanked/stolen(what they do with it i don't know)

sad sad people

Originally posted by: TheJerseyDevil73 I can not wait until such a debate is null.When one day societies and people can finally outgrow the fantasy of religion. May be it what you yourself think it is. Problem is I won't live long enough to see such a day.quote> well, you should come over here and find the pavlovs of the human race. nothing keeps them from doing what they want if they want to smoke their life and stab their way around. as much as you wish it could happen not everyone is a "rational sensible responsible human being" and it will never be. religion is a way of self-policing a society and bringing in a social centre - which these ares lack. it also gives a society a leader which again these areas lack. even as a Catholic i can draw holes in the second creation story which is Cain and Abel find wives out of nowhere?. and man comes earlier on in the second one but in the first he is the last made. A good priest knows how to translate stuff from 2,000+ years ago where farming metaphors were used to a modern version (the homily). or i could put it in others words. Evolutionism- if you care about the subject Creationism- if you don't actually care about the subject Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich - Napoleon

i think Brimingham New Street Station is the British Equivelant of Penn station in NYC, dingy, low ceilinged catacombs when most train statins here are lofty and airy

the most retarded little excuse for a human who thinks he's big by commiting blasphemy