Sniffeh's SC4 Dependency Questions

[Sniffeh 121]

On 1/26/2025 at 9:42 PM, ncamferdam said:

I’m not sure I understand the issue here. When you say version 8 do you mean volume 8? This seems like the same issue again. There used to be many different gascooker prop packs. This older mod references volume 8, back when everything was separate. Since then, everything has been repackaged into MEGA prop packs, of which the latest version of the gascooker MEGA prop pack is v2

That doesn't even make any sense. When a program is updated v2 is the second update, not "v8."

[Sniffeh 121]

@CorinaMarie I tried to message you, but I can't do that right now for some reason. I'm sorry for saying "F*ck this site." I lost my cool. I actually like and appreciate this site a lot. I took the thread personally because I felt I was being attacked for asking too many questions. In my opinion, It's not unusual for anyone to feel offended by something that, and I'm still not sure it wasn't meant to mock me. That's why I chose to hide the thread when I saw the option. I thought, "If they allow hiding, they shouldn't mind if I do it." I would really like this thread to be removed, but that's not my decision.

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[Tyberius06 12,209]

On 1/27/2025 at 2:32 AM, Sniffeh said:

I have a strong feeling that I'm the only person on this entire platform who has experienced this. Am I mistaken? Why are you reacting so aggressively to my inquiries? Isn't it a valid question to ask why a mod would list version 8 of a bat pack as a dependency when version 2 is the latest one out there? Or is it that you simply don't care?

26 minutes ago, Sniffeh said:

That doesn't even make any sense. When a program is updated v2 is the second update, not "v8."

One last time and if you don't get it, then you are on your own, because to be fair I don't have the patience to follow this when the definitive answer already was given in many cases.

VERSION (v##) and VOLUME (vol##) are not the same things, they are different terms for different things. In this given exemple there used to be 8 or more BSC BATProp Gascooker VOLUMEs (like vol 01-Vol08 or so), which then were compiled into the BSC MEGA Props GasCooker Vol01 etc... This means that the former BATProps from Gascooker were no longer valid sources as they became obsolete, as the most up to date file to cover those dependencies had become the related MEGA Props pack. Now since this happened almost 20 years ago, and many things changed and got updated since then, there was at least one update to this BSC MEGA Props Gascooker Vol01, which got marked as v2 (aka Version 2). So the BATProps Vol08 which you were looking for was already outdated 19-20 years ago when the Version 1 (V1 - though it was never called that way) of hte BSC MEGA Props Gascooker Vol01 got released.

Understood? I hope so... Now this example more or less is true for all the similiar situations. Most (but NOT all) of the former BATProps got eventually re-compiled into MEGA Prop packs (some rare exceptions are Mattb325's BATProp packs, some released BATProp packs as part of other releases and Jestarr's recent dependency packs here on STEX have not been merged into mega prop packs, but these are the rare exceptions). 

For any other BSC dependency related information please read and understand my post above and use it as a template:

IF that doesn't cover something, then you can of course look for an answer and if it seems to be not covered by a reply from us earlier, then sure we will be happy to answer your question according to our best knowladge...

[CorinaMarie 29,771]

2 hours ago, Sniffeh said:

@CorinaMarie I tried to message you, but I can't do that right now for some reason. I'm sorry for saying "F*ck this site."

Thanks! I appreciate your apology. And yes because of that, we have imposed some restrictions on your account which we'll be willing to lift after we chat with you in a Private Message from @Cyclone Boom and me. I believe that can be later today, but RL is a bit goofy for me so please hang tight. It could wind up being tomorrow. Edit: It will need to be tomorrow before we can send the PM.

 

2 hours ago, Sniffeh said:

I would really like this thread to be removed, but that's not my decision.

Because there is useful information from other peeps in the thread, it will remain visible.

And yes, whoever has the first post in a topic is technically considered the owner of the thread. The IPS board software does offer some extra options in that case. However, that comes with the responsibility to not use some of them such as hiding the topic.

So again, hang tight and I'll explain the staff decisions made by both CB and me and then we can restore your account to full privileges. I've seen you be a nice member and we'll expect that going forward.

-Cori & CB

[ncamferdam 1,493]

2 hours ago, Sniffeh said:

That doesn't even make any sense. When a program is updated v2 is the second update, not "v8."

It is not “v8”. It is “vol 8”. You can see this in your original screenshot:

There is no version information of any kind described in that readme for BSC props.

That dependency’s relationship to the BSC Common Dependencies Pack is described in my original comment.

[CorinaMarie 29,771]

I think I understand it now.

So it was originally:

BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 01
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 02
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 03
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 04
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 05
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 06
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 07
BSCBATProps Gascooker Vol 08

And those were all stuffed into a new file called: 

BSC MEGA Props GasCooker Vol01

but that was soon renamed to:

BSC MEGA Props GasCooker v2 (and called version 2)

^ This then contains all the props that were in the original smaller file called Vol 08. (Plus a bunch more from other original volumes.)

[Tyberius06 12,209]

8 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

BSC MEGA Props GasCooker Vol01

but that was soon renamed to:

BSC MEGA Props GasCooker v2 (and called version 2)

^ This then contains all the props that were in the original smaller file called Vol 08. (Plus a bunch more from other original volumes.)

Hm.... there is not such thing as BSC MEGA Props GasCooker v2 (and called version 2)

The original name (after they compiled the BATProps together) was BSC MEGA Props GasCooker Vol01 which got renamed when I released the BSC Common Dependnecies Version 7 to BSC MEGA Props Gascooker Vol01 v2

It has been everywhere officially named as BSC MEGA Props Gascooker Vol01 v2 since then. The BSC Common Dependencies readme even states:

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 - updated to v2 in BSC Common Dependencies Version 7

The differences are one or two added model and prop combo which were recovered from older contents and the restoration of the model names (using the original XML properties), which makes the creation of new exemplars (building or prop) easier. 
The Vol01 did not get an update with the original Project ZIP efforts back in 2022, when the first chunk of dependencies got uploaded to the then still alive SC4D LEX as a replacement of the exe based uploads. However at that time the Vol02 already got updated to version 2, that's why when we started coming up with the BSC Common Dependencies versions the new/updated version of that BSC MEGA Props Vol02 was running on Version 2 and was not marked with note in the readmes. 

[CorinaMarie 29,771]

3 hours ago, Tyberius06 said:

BSC Common Dependnecies Version 7 to BSC MEGA Props Gascooker Vol01 v2

Thanks for the clarification. Even I misunderstood from your prior post.

[Sniffeh 121]

On 2/27/2025 at 7:42 PM, ncamferdam said:

It is not “v8”. It is “vol 8”. You can see this in your original screenshot:

There is no version information of any kind described in that readme for BSC props.

That dependency’s relationship to the BSC Common Dependencies Pack is described in my original comment.

You knew what I meant.

[ncamferdam 1,493]

43 minutes ago, Sniffeh said:

You knew what I meant.

This was your original question. Note the "Vol 08" in the dependency title.

On 1/26/2025 at 6:07 PM, Sniffeh said:

Is this pack authentic? I checked the SC4D LEX Legacy - BSC Common Dependencies Pack V9b, and it shows the newest version as v2. How is that possible?

You correctly point out that on the current version of the BSC Common Dependency pack, both Gascooker prop packs are listed as "v2". Also note the "MEGA" in the title here which is missing from the dependency highlighted in your screenshot above. From SC4Evermore:

You go on to say (highlighted by me):

On 1/26/2025 at 6:32 PM, Sniffeh said:

Isn't it a valid question to ask why a mod would list version 8 of a bat pack as a dependency when version 2 is the latest one out there?

In short, since there is no place that I'm aware of (either in your screenshot or on SC4Evermore) in which a "version 8" of any Gascooker prop pack exists, my assumption was that you had mistaken the "Vol 08" (Volume 8) in that title to be a version number. The relevant portion of my original answer is here:

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There used to be many different gascooker prop packs. This older mod references volume 8, back when everything was separate. Since then, everything has been repackaged into MEGA prop packs, of which the latest version of the gascooker MEGA prop pack is v2

 

On 2/27/2025 at 1:53 PM, Sniffeh said:

When a program is updated v2 is the second update, not "v8."

Your statement here is correct. My confusion comes from there not being any "v8" listed anywhere that I'm aware of. If there is, please let me know, because this would explain quite a bit of the disconnect we're having. Beyond that, all I can say is that I honestly do not know what you meant.

[rsc204 21,836]

Honestly, how on earth are we at six pages of text for something like this?

Dependencies have existed as long as SC4 has been modded. It's never been perfect and if half the energy wasted arguing and complaining about stupid things like what Vol # really means, had been put into helping better organise them, well maybe we wouldn't be here now.

Bottom line, those who decided how to name things did it that way, most are no longer part of the community anymore. Seriously, just accept it is what people tell you rather than try to fight it, because those TRYING to help are not being treated very nicely. Do you want an explanation or to vent your anger?, because honestly this whole discussion is getting beyond ridiculous.

^{:disclaimer: - The personal feelings of RSC204 do not necessarily represent the views of Simtropolis.}

[Sniffeh 121]

On 3/2/2025 at 8:03 AM, rsc204 said:

Honestly, how on earth are we at six pages of text for something like this?

Dependencies have existed as long as SC4 has been modded. It's never been perfect and if half the energy wasted arguing and complaining about stupid things like what Vol # really means, had been put into helping better organise them, well maybe we wouldn't be here now.

Bottom line, those who decided how to name things did it that way, most are no longer part of the community anymore. Seriously, just accept it is what people tell you rather than try to fight it, because those TRYING to help are not being treated very nicely. Do you want an explanation or to vent your anger?, because honestly this whole discussion is getting beyond ridiculous.

^{:disclaimer: - The personal feelings of RSC204 do not necessarily represent the views of Simtropolis.}

This whole thread is ridiculous. Both sides of it.