Freight Question(s)

[Bruno the Bear 48]

On 11/27/2020 at 11:40 AM, jeffryfisher said:

Normal rail can carry freight from industry to a neighbor connection (where it vanishes).

If I get this right rails are a waste to use if transporting freight from one city to another. Can roads transport freight from one city to another.

[CorinaMarie 29,566]

2 minutes ago, Bruno the Bear said:

If I get this right rails are a waste to use if transporting freight from one city to another. Can roads transport freight from one city to another.

Not at all. In the game freight isn't actually transported to another tile. It is merely sent out of the current tile being played. So, whether it leaves via the rails or a road, avenue, or highway it all counts the same towards industrial cap relief.

[Bruno the Bear 48]

Somehow, I would like the freight to move from one city to a port in another city. Is this possible? Could the port city just send the freight back to the first city thereby affecting industrial cap relief of the port city?

[CorinaMarie 29,566]

6 minutes ago, Bruno the Bear said:

Is this possible?

Unfortunately not. The game simply doesn't have the code to do this.

Btw, I've moved these posts to their own dedicated topic for you.

[Bruno the Bear 48]

Thank you

[Bruno the Bear 48]

This ruins an entire way I thought to run my cities. This is all very frustrating. First, I can’t get patches to install which means I can’t get CAM to install which directly affects the game. Now I can’t run the freight as I had intended, all of which means this game gets less and less useful. Sorry but the game seems more of a burden than a game. You have been a great help and I appreciate all you have given me.

Thank you

Bruno the Bear

[rsc204 21,805]

6 minutes ago, Bruno the Bear said:

First, I can’t get patches to install which means I can’t get CAM to install which directly affects the game.

Where did you get ahold of your copy of the game, did it come on disk or did you purchase a downloadable copy, if so from where? Usually you can patch only the disk versions of the game, whilst the downloaded versions come pre-patched. Unless you bought the game through Origin, in which case it's likely you have both an unpatched and unpatchable game.

Are you sure you don't mean NAM, rather than CAM, I don't recall the later having a specific check for the SC4 version in use. There are problems, unrelated to patching SC4, that occur with the CAM installer, but you can work around them manually.

10 minutes ago, Bruno the Bear said:

Now I can’t run the freight as I had intended

Well yes, on this one it's simply a game-limitation, nothing we can do about that. Bear in mind the simulator was designed for PCs in 2003, compromises like this were necessary to reduce the amount of calculations the game needs to make to keep functioning. But as with all the compromises in the game, they tend to be things that don't really matter. If you've two functioning Seaports in different cities, everything you see gives the effect of freight moving between them. So does it really matter, if it's actually going on under the hood? I mean, if you planned to run your region around freight, you still can make everything visually work in that manner. Only you know it's not really happening, but as you scratch the surface of the simulation, you'll find many things aren't really happening. The joy of what Maxis created is how it looks and feels like a living city, even if it's in fact not. Whilst modern 3D games like SimCity (2013) and Cities Skylines do simulate everything going on, this also burdens them and creates limitations in other areas. For many, SimCity 4 just provides more of a game and a more flexible canvas to create, precisely because it was coded at a time when different things mattered. But if you find having everything actually moving to be real is preferable, perhaps Cities Skylines is going to be more enjoyable.

[City_Slider 2,716]

24 minutes ago, rsc204 said:

For many, SimCity 4 just provides more of a game and a more flexible canvas to create, precisely because it was coded at a time when different things mattered. But if you find having everything actually moving to be real is preferable, perhaps Cities Skylines is going to be more enjoyable.

Bingo, thats why SC is still alive. And sure still in 2050... trust moi

[Bruno the Bear 48]

I have a disk copy and I have NAM 38 installed. I have a dedicated computer running windows 7. CAM I can not install because it requires patches that I got from SC Devotion and I cannot get them to install. I looked at Cities Skylines and did not like it. My tower computer can handle just about any storage or speed necessary and the details shown in SC4 are what i like about the game. 

As far as the sea port goes I wanted to bring farm products from farm cities to the sea port city, in real life that is the way it would work. Also the ports don't seem to do much of any shipping or moving goods. If this is the way SC4 works I may have to go to City Lines. 

thank you and I am going to check out your mentioned sites.

[City_Slider 2,716]

Did u checked out this?

https://community.simtropolis.com/omnibus/SimCity-4/reference/info-windows-update-kb3086255-prevents-SimCity-4-from-starting-r275/

 

Please let us know, if u r Fit right now. Or do u need more Help?

 

i  just gefunden SC4Deluxe für 5 $ als DVD Version bei Media Merkt, Saturn und die meisten der Online - Händler .... seine X-Mas Zeit;)

[Matrim Cauthon 344]

FYI SimCity 4 is on sale for $5 on both GOG and Steam right now, so that could be a rather cheap way to fix your patching problem.

More on the primary topic though, while it's a little frustrating that freight traffic is single region only, I don't let this stop me from designing "Freight" networks. I try to ensure that as much of my freight transits through those networks, and continue them logically even if there is no freight traffic in that region.

To make things look better, I'll zone a tiny bit of industrial area near the network entrance on a tiny rail split to ensure directionality. This will generate automata and populate the rail line for cosmetic purposes.
 

[rsc204 21,805]

21 hours ago, Bruno the Bear said:

I have a disk copy

If the patch EP 1 won’t install, you’ve one of two problems:

• You are using the wrong SKU version
  There are 5 or 6 different SKU variants  Bear in mind for example US versions get sold in Europe, so you can't assume you've the EU edition of the game. You can check the SKU of your game easily, by finding the SimCity4 Install folder, then opening the folder named Sku_data. Here is another folder, named Sku#_ZZ where # is the SKU number, for which you must use the corresponding patch. ZZ is a two letter code, for example US, which corresponds to the region it was intended for.
• The SimCity files are not original
  If the game’s .exe or .dat files are changed from the shipped versions, the patcher will know and won’t update those files. If you have modified files, you must restore unmodified ones from their backups, or if you don't have such, uninstall and reinstall the game to restore them.

If the patch (EP1) still isn't working, look in the folder which contains the patcher (.exe) file. When you run it, it generates a log file, sc4_patchlog.txt. Open this and copy it's contents, then paste it into your next reply. This will help us to see exactly why the patch is not correctly applying.

21 hours ago, Bruno the Bear said:

CAM I can not install because it requires patches that I got from SC Devotion and I cannot get them to install.

Do you mean dependencies? Can you elaborate on which? Also what happens when you try? Usually these problems can be worked through.

21 hours ago, Bruno the Bear said:

As far as the sea port goes I wanted to bring farm products from farm cities to the sea port city, in real life that is the way it would work. Also the ports don't seem to do much of any shipping or moving goods.

A Seaport will move as much freight as you have going out of your city. Bear in mind however, like most transit in SC4, especially when using the NAM Traffic Simulator, Freight Trucks look for the shortest route to where they have to go. I.e., if they are driving freight from an Industrial lot they are looking for the fastest way to exit the city. If you build your industrial areas, such that a Seaport is quicker to get to than another neighbour connection, it will be well used. Then you'll see the freighter that docks at the port, along with trucks driving towards it and other little goings-on that give the impression, freight is going somewhere. I must say I do feel you've got awfully caught up with the idea that it has to actually do so. You can add lots of custom content to replicate most frieght transport in SC4. Just to be clear, when you see Sims, Cars, Trains or Planes, none of that is actually what's happening. But the number you see and where, are visual feedback to help you know which roads/networks are utilised and by how much. Not to mention, it gives the visual appearance of Sims driving places and doing stuff. But no Sim you find is being simulated, likewise the same for those cars, busses and other vehicles. But that doesn't have to ruin the experience, it depends on how important that is to you in making a game fun.

[City_Slider 2,716]

On 28.11.2020 at 6:50 PM, Bruno the Bear said:

Somehow, I would like the freight to move from one city to a port in another city. Is this possible?

Sure it is. There must be only ONE Way to the Harbor. So its only possible to send Items from the Harbor to the Neighbors. No other Streets, Trains to your Neighbors.