Climate change - Worse than Predicted

[vidioman 21]

Well, I know not all Americans ignore global warming. There are those that do. Look at the protests! But, when you think about it, the people that the American people themselves choose to represent their exact opinons, what the Americans think, on a global level in totality, believe, it enforces our stereotype.(editors note: That made no sense, eh?) See how democracy doesn't work there? (editor is not against democracy, just looking at the bd side cause that's how I am ) It's not the actual Americans we (citizens of Earth that are anti-American government) hate, it's the people that they choose to represent them that do stupid things that make us think that they also think like that. So, basically, 48% of Americans do care. The other 51% don't, and 1 % is either braindead or can't make up it's mind. (they may also support it but are too manly to say so. See: Men with big cars)

 

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[Playa del Carmen 0]

Date: 11/10/2004 9:02:02 PM
Author: vidioman

Well, I know not all Americans ignore global warming. There are those that do. Look at the protests! But, when you think about it, the people that the American people themselves choose to represent their exact opinons, what the Americans think, on a global level in totality, believe, it enforces our stereotype.(editors note: That made no sense, eh?) See how democracy doesn't work there? (editor is not against democracy, just looking at the bd side cause that's how I am ) It's not the actual Americans we (citizens of Earth that are anti-American government) hate, it's the people that they choose to represent them that do stupid things that make us think that they also think like that. So, basically, 48% of Americans do care. The other 51% don't, and 1 % is either braindead or can't make up it's mind. (they may also support it but are too 'manly' to say so. See: Men with big cars)

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I don't know about you (especially since we're from different countries) but I do NOT pick leaders who have my exact opinions. That's not even possible. I'm for a host of things the republican party is not, however, I have to rank my concerns according to importance. Abortion is more important than marijuana legalization, personal freedoms more important than forcing people to stop buying SUVs, people are more important than endangered fish or the scream-a-piller.

[vidioman 21]

I don't know about you (especially since we're from different countries) but I do NOT pick leaders who have my exact opinions. That's not even possible.

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Well, if you guys had more than two parties, it would be easier. America is one party short of an Autocracy

I'm for a host of things the republican party is not, however, I have to rank my concerns according to importance. Abortion is more important than marijuana legalization, personal freedoms more important than forcing people to stop buying SUVs, people are more important than endangered fish or the scream-a-piller.

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Isn't the scream-a-piller that one from the simpsons that was attracted to fire? and where on your list of things you care about does the well being of Earth fall?

[EAGCE 2]

I'm for protecting the environment.  I try to recycle and I'm very concerned about water pollution, but global warming?  Bring it on!

[vidioman 21]

Date: 11/11/2004 1:15:13 PM
Author: EAGCE

I'm for protecting the environment. I try to recycle and I'm very concerned about water pollution, but global warming? Bring it on!

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In one hundred years, global warming will make sea levels rise several feet. In 300 years, if global warming continues, New York City, and even Washington DC, will be underwater ruins.... most of Florida will be close to non existant, large parts of Louisiana will be wiped out. Houston Texas will be even swampier, LA would be gone... And that's just in America. World Wide, Holland would be non-existant, Japan would be much smaller, Canada would lose parts of the Atlantic coast. Global Warming is great, isn't it?

And, yes, it would have happened. It will happen. NYC was built in a horrible spot. We have 100 years to move manhatten and the shoreline to higherground, 300 to move the rest.. Get cracking!

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

Date:11/11/2004 12:27:49 PM
Author:vidioman

I don't know about you (especially since we're from different countries) but I do NOT pick leaders who have my exact opinions.  That's not even possible.

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Well, if you guys had more than two parties, it would be easier. America is one party short of an Autocracy

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There are more than two parties.  The green party, for example.  It's just that most Americans catagorize themselves under two parties.

[vidioman 21]

Date: 11/11/2004 1:45:25 PM
Author: The Evil Octopus Man

Date:11/11/2004 12:27:49 PM
Author:vidioman

I don't know about you (especially since we're from different countries) but I do NOT pick leaders who have my exact opinions. That's not even possible.

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Well, if you guys had more than two parties, it would be easier. America is one party short of an Autocracy

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There are more than two parties. The green party, for example. It's just that most Americans catagorize themselves under two parties.

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Yeah, but they aren't mainstream. Canada has 3 main parties, with another 3 rising in populatity. You just have 2, and they are the only 2 that have any major impact. Ours are actually working together so we don't have another election so soon.

[Thalassicus 33]

One of the big problems is the electoral college system: it inherently discourages voting and voting for a third party, by giving the pretense that doing so is wasting your vote. For example, my state is 70% for the other party, so if you vote for my party, you vote won't change which electoral votes decide the president. Then again, if you vote for the other party it won't make a difference for this state either, since the majority is so pronounced. This system discourages voting in general (and also gives rural voters much more power). It's about 230 years out of date


Actually, for most of the US's history it's been a multiparty system. If you look at past elections, all the way up until the 60's there have been third or fourth-party candidates getting anywhere up to 30% of the vote and winning states in the electoral college. The civil rights debate in the 1960's, combined with the cold war, is what changed the face of voting to a bipartisan system. The last time we had a 3rd party win electoral votes was immediately after the civil rights acts were passed: many southern states voted for a strongly anti-minority candidate. We havn't had a major third party contender since that time.

Once the cold war ended and Russia split up, the election immediately afterwards was the first of a line of record-breaking close elections. All during and before the cold war presidents usually won elections with a 20-80% margin, the 1992 and 96 elections were much more polarized, 2000 was practically split 50-50, and 2004 was only about a 1.5% difference.

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[villarule 2]

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

[Thalassicus 33]

It's soooo cold here, we had a low of 38F! (I live in Texas )

Maybe you can introduce me to that soft white stuff some time. All we get down here is ice. You can drive on snow with snow tires/chains, but have you ever tried to drive on ice? I see people from up North that have moved down here try it all the time, and get their cars wrecked.

You can't snowplow ice either, it pretty much stops up suburban transportation until it melts.

Like I said earlier though, global warming is all about politics. Do you accept it or not? That's a policy decision. What do you do if you accept it? More politics

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/11/2004 5:15:06 PM
Author:Thalassicus

It's soooo cold here, we had a low of 48F! (I live in Texas )

Maybe you can introduce me to that soft white stuff some time. All we get down here is ice. You can drive on snow with snow tires/chains, but have you ever tried to drive on ice? I see people from up North that moved here try it all the time, and get their cars wrecked.

Like I said earlier though, global warming is all about politics. Do you accept it or not? That's a policy decision. What do you do if you accept it? More politics

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Driving on ice is easy. Just keep it slow, and space yourself from the other car. Snow chains aren't premitted here, since they tear up the roads. you can only use them on the highways.

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/11/2004 4:29:21 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

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I live in Maryland!  It is currently 50 degrees F.  Brrrrrrrr!  I can't stand it below 72F.

It's about 68F in my room and I'm cold.

[Thalassicus 33]

Driving on ice is easy. Just keep it slow, and space yourself from the other car. Snow chains aren't premitted here, since they tear up the roads. you can only use them on the highways.

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That's what most people think when they move down here too, over half of the icy wrecks in the winter involve people who have moved from up North. My roomate said he was surprised how much more difficult it is here compared to in New York, where he never had trouble with ice.

The problem is that it rarely stays cold enough during the day to keep the ice solid! After about an hour, you have a dangerous, thin layer of oily-water mix on the top that skids cars like no tomorrow, and usually keeps up until at least noon.

Some parts of the road also melt faster than others, resulting in highly unpredictable driving. Not to mention that if you ever stop (at a light or to turn off the road) you start sliding sideways because of the crown on the road! You really can't manage unless the ice is thick enough to use tire chains, or you have an especially heavy vehicle (semi trailers do ok)

Normally on days like this the city just advises that anyone with a non-essential job stays home until lunch, schools also are delayed (buses can't manage the ice). They sand highways and some major avenues, but can't cover all the side roads.

On the rare occasion that it stays cold enough to keep the ice solid without an oil slick on top, it's actually pretty safe to drive so long as you're careful, just like you said. That's only a day or two out of the year, though. Two years ago we actually had a whole week of highs below 32F, it was the first time in a decade

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/11/2004 5:23:35 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 4:29:21 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

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I live in Maryland!  It is currently 50 degrees F.  Brrrrrrrr!  I can't stand it below 72F.

It's about 68F in my room and I'm cold.

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Then you are a weak human. Why not turn up the heat in the house? Waste even more energy! YAY!

[Thalassicus 33]

Something else I saw referred to in the daylight savings time thread...when is the earliest the sun sets? I dread mid December when it sets as late as 5:30...I have to come home from work in the dark >_<

On the other side of the coin, we also have tornados, hail, blue northers, droughts, and ice storms in North Texas. I guess it's payback for the mild winters

[Pooty 228]

We, humans, need to bust out our water, solar and wind power technology. Why research and invent something that we never use? I've seen about 2 solar plants in the US and a few wind plant farms and several dams. WE NEED MORE! We're gonna run the human race into extinction.

[Thalassicus 33]

You forgot nuclear power. Compared to the fact that fossil fuel power wastes a huge amount of energy from low combustion efficiency, and solar and wind take up huge amounts of space and infrastructure (raising the cost)...nuclear power is a relatively inexpensive and highly efficient source. All of the byproducts can also be stored in one location, where it will not effect people or the environment to any significant degree, unlike the byproducts of fossil fuel combustion. Wind and solar just don't produce enough power for their cost....how often do you use them in SC4?

Other sources also rely on the surrounding environment. If you're in an area that doesn't have much wind and is practically flat, that rules out both wind and hydroelectric as a practical power source for a large city.

The main danger to solar panels is hail, you have to make them durable enough to survive heavy hailstorms without any damage, which is really expensive.

That rules out pretty much all 3 sources where I live, we're flat, unsteady wind, and lots of hailstorms in the spring

We do rely hugely on the Glen Rose Power Plant, however, a twin nuclear plant southwest of Ft. Worth.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/11/2004 5:53:37 PM
Author:Thalassicus

Something else I saw referred to in the daylight savings time thread...when is the earliest the sun sets? I dread mid December when it sets as late as 5:30...I have to come home from work in the dark >_<

On the other side of the coin, we also have tornados, hail, blue northers, droughts, and ice storms in North Texas. I guess it's payback for the mild winters

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Here, in late december, the sun rises after 9AM, and sets before 5PM. We leave to work and school in the dark, return home in the dark. If we never had daylight savings time here, we'd be going to school, and sarting the school day, before the sun got up. But imagine what it must be like in Pickle Lake. The sun rises at 10:30AM, and sets at 3PM. Imagine having to go to school/work in that?

[frogface 354]

Date: 11/11/2004 5:55:10 PM
Author: Pooty

We, humans, need to bust out our water, solar and wind power technology. Why research and invent something that we never use? I've seen about 2 solar plants in the US and a few wind plant farms and several dams. WE NEED MORE! We're gonna run the human race into extinction.

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SO TRUE
we have the technology to reuse our materials so that they last 10 times as longer, we could become much more sustainable then we are now! but the technology is there but not used simply because ppl would rather save a bit of $$ then make a more sustainable world

[Thalassicus 33]

Date: 11/11/2004 6:01:42 PM
Author: frogface
we have the technology to reuse our materials so that they last 10 times as longer, we could become much more sustainable then we are now! but the technology is there but not used simply because ppl would rather save a bit of $$ then make a more sustainable world

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Well here's the question. If we switched entirely over to solar power, would you be willing to pay the 200%-500% increase in your electric bill?

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/11/2004 5:33:06 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 5:23:35 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 4:29:21 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

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I live in Maryland!  It is currently 50 degrees F.  Brrrrrrrr!  I can't stand it below 72F.

It's about 68F in my room and I'm cold.

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Then you are a weak human. Why not turn up the heat in the house? Waste even more energy! YAY!

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I would but I live with my parents.  They pay the bills.    They like being cold.

[vidioman 21]

Date:11/11/2004 7:36:22 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 5:33:06 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 5:23:35 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 4:29:21 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

 

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

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I live in Maryland!  It is currently 50 degrees F.  Brrrrrrrr!  I can't stand it below 72F.

It's about 68F in my room and I'm cold.

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Then you are a weak human. Why not turn up the heat in the house? Waste even more energy! YAY!

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I would but I live with my parents.  They pay the bills.    They like being cold.

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Then why the heck are you complaining? If you like the cold, then stop complaining. 50F is not cold. 32 F is not cold. 21F (our current temperature) is cold.

*32F is cool at best

Oh, they! Well, tell them that you're too cold, and maybe they'll turn it up. If they don't, threaten to move out They might change their mind. And remember, heating costs here are at least 200% higher than in maryland

[dudyconstructor 46]

all i say is that everything is changing to good or to bad...we dont know!

[drew 0]

Date: 11/11/2004 5:23:35 PM
Author: EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 4:29:21 PM
Author:vidioman

Date:11/11/2004 4:11:17 PM
Author:EAGCE

Date:11/11/2004 3:14:04 PM
Author:villarule

i really dont think we should really be discussing politics, lets get back on topic before this thread gets closed

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Ok then.

I'm COLD!!!!

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Like I said, PUT SOME CLOTHES ON!

Where do you live, anyway? Today's high in Thunder Bay was 0C (32F) and I saw people in shorts.

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I live in Maryland! It is currently 50 degrees F. Brrrrrrrr! I can't stand it below 72F.

It's about 68F in my room and I'm cold.

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Then take it from another Marylander who says that it's not COLD. Cold is good.. it provides equilibrium in the year. It is also key for animals to spend their lazy lives in burrows for an entire season. (well in temperate climates anyway.) I guess my opinion differs since I love the cold and welcome the cold. Right here in Accokeek, MD its 38 Degrees F right now. Its ..chilly not cold. Wait till we get the 2 foot snow banks they're predicting for this winter. (oh I forgot, its not even winter yet!) We haven't turned the heat on at our place yet. We're waiting until the daily high becomes constantly 50F. It's been doing that lately so I guess its about time to turn the heat on low.

[if you can tell, I'm against Global Warming!]

[vidioman 21]

Also, I heard that Maryland never puts aside money for snowplows, so they snow comes, and doesn't go. you get an inch of snow and everything comes to a standstill. here, we get atleast 5 feet of snow per year, and in some places 70 foot snowbanks (they guy the owns the mall across the street piles mounts of it from his parking lot, which covers several acres, they tower over the highway, which is 15 feet higher than the sunken parking lot.) we haven't had a snow day since the blizzard of 96, when we got more snow than Maryland will see in a few years. We ahven't had a decent snow fall since 2001, though, because of global warming. Actually, global warming will contribute to longer, drier, colder winters.

[EAGCE 2]

Date:11/11/2004 10:53:55 PM
Author:vidioman

Also, I heard that Maryland never puts aside money for snowplows, so they snow comes, and doesn't go. you get an inch of snow and everything comes to a standstill. here, we get atleast 5 feet of snow per year, and in some places 70 foot snowbanks (they guy the owns the mall across the street piles mounts of it from his parking lot, which covers several acres, they tower over the highway, which is 15 feet higher than the sunken parking lot.) we haven't had a snow day since the blizzard of 96, when we got more snow than Maryland will see in a few years. We ahven't had a decent snow fall since 2001, though, because of global warming. Actually, global warming will contribute to longer, drier, colder winters.

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I don't know about that.  We get snow every winter.  They should have something set aside for it.  But even so, everything usually does slow down a lot when we get an inch or two of snow.  If people just see it snowing, even if it isn't sticking to the ground and melting right away, people will drive so slow.  But I don't.  Last winter we had a foot or two of snow and there was still a few inches on the roads that hadn't been cleared yet, and I was going 50 mph.  Everyone else was going 20-30mph.  A few even slower.

[Thalassicus 33]

Date: 11/11/2004 9:21:17 PM
Author: vidioman
*32F is cool at best

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32F is literally freezing cold (at least for plain water at sea level...meh )

Heh...question, just to compare notes on both sides, what do you consider warm and hot? Honestly, from everyday experience and conversation, and not just exaggeration What makes you say:

Gosh, it's hot out here!

and

It sure is warm.

[Playa del Carmen 0]

Date: 11/11/2004 12:27:49 PM
Author: vidioman

I don't know about you (especially since we're from different countries) but I do NOT pick leaders who have my exact opinions. That's not even possible.

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Well, if you guys had more than two parties, it would be easier. America is one party short of an Autocracy

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I prefer a two-party system. In order to have a candidate that fits one's views exactly (or even remotely), one would have to live in a country with a Weimare Republic-esque choice of parties, and we all know what happen to the Weimar Republic.

Isn't the scream-a-piller that one from the simpsons that was attracted to fire? and where on your list of things you care about does 'the well being of Earth' fall?

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Yes, I did like that episode.

It's below the well-being of man. If some law is going to save some trout or a beaver at the expense of a lot of people's jobs, some compromise had better show itself. While Orthodox are conscious about the well-being of the earth, people come first.