Terror Attack at Munich, olympic shopping center

[Fantozzi 4,067]

Shooting in the olympic shopping center at Munich, Germany. Some media report of eleven death, others about three.

Underground stopped for the whole city. Central station closed and evacuated. Officials fear - this could be, like Paris, the beginning of a series.

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Shooter(s) (presumably 3 according to NTV) still on the loose, city center taken by the police. 6 dead according to Focus. officially acknowledged.

[Fantozzi 4,067]

As far as I unterstood the situaton is as follow: three attackers entered the shopping center from different locations. Eye victims reported they heard shootings on different floors.

Soon after this attack another shooting was reported. That was the reason why officials were worried, this could be a series. Turned out, the report of a second shooting was causend by citizens who paniced - there was no second shooting.

All three (?) attackers are on the run.

As it's incalculable what they will do next, several actions were taken.

All public traffic was stoppend to hinder them to travel. Main station is still closed.

On the border towards Czech border patrol of both countries took up controls. Anti terror units were sent to Bavaria. Police of neighbouring states are i alert.

The olympic shopping center was evacuated but isn't comletely cleared yet. There's still police searching the place.

An official recommendation was given, citizens of Munich should hurry home and stay there.

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Hopefully the attackers get cought quick.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Once a week.

something goes down once a week now.

 

[Toothless Stitch 2,901]

Just leaving this here: It has yet to be confirmed that this was an actual act of terror. Despite the fact there are at least 9 fatalities (8 victims and one person, presumably one of the or the only shooter, who killed himself), the background behind the attack is not yet clear. It could also have been a rampage or something. 

Also, they are still unsure whether there we one, two or three shooters.

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21 minutes ago, Toothless Stitch said:

Just leaving this here: It has yet to be confirmed that this was an actual act of terror. Despite the fact there are at least 9 fatalities (8 victims and one person, presumably one of the or the only shooter, who killed himself), the background behind the attack is not yet clear. It could also have been a rampage or something. 

Also, they are still unsure whether there we one, two or three shooters.

9  dead people shot down at a mall is a terror attack, what ever the motivation of the shooter is.

Nice, Dallas, BatonRouge, Orlando, France last year its all terror. we should stop caring about why it was done and fix the problems in our society that create people who are willing to do these things.

 

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Police officals now say after investigation on the crime scene: it was one single attacker and he commited suicide. No urgent danger. City can turn back to normal.

Confirmed: 9 victims dead. Still no information how many injured.

Puh, there was many false information on this. Yesterday they showed even a video in TV, saying this was the second attacker. Seems this was rubbish. Shows, how quick paranoia grows, if the rate of attacks rises.

Also according to german police the attacker was german-iranian. Motiv is unclear. Could be a political motivated terror attack, could also be a personlly 'motivated' rampage.

(IMHO it's not always easy to distinguish, most of the times it is both - personal stupidity, madness, crisis and political lunacy. ISIS f.e. has success in finding young europeans that are psychic instable and doing some 'therapy' on them = making warriors of them)

 

4 hours ago, Easy Bakes said:

something goes down once a week now.

Yes - Istanbul, Orlando, Nice and now Munich - all this in a couple of weeks.

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3 hours ago, Fantozzi said:

Police officals now say after investigation on the crime scene: it was one single attacker and he commited suicide. No urgent danger. City can turn back to normal.

Confirmed: 9 victims dead. Still no information how many injured.

Puh, there was many false information on this. Yesterday they showed even a video in TV, saying this was the second attacker. Seems this was rubbish. Shows, how quick paranoia grows, if the rate of attacks rises.

Also according to german police the attacker was german-iranian. Motiv is unclear. Could be a political motivated terror attack, could also be a personlly 'motivated' rampage.

(IMHO it's not always easy to distinguish, most of the times it is both - personal stupidity, madness, crisis and political lunacy. ISIS f.e. has success in finding young europeans that are psychic instable and doing some 'therapy' on them = making warriors of them)

 

Yes - Istanbul, Orlando, Nice and now Munich - all this in a couple of weeks.

for a long while ( a few hours anyway) they thought the dallas shooting was multiple attackers.

it shows how fast the media will run with something with a huge amount of misinformation, or not misinformation but a  lack real of information but they feel the need to run with something during these events.

 

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Easy Bakes said:

for a long while ( a few hours anyway) they thought the dallas shooting was multiple attackers.

it shows how fast the media will run with something with a huge amount of misinformation, or not misinformation but a  lack real of information but they feel the need to run with something during these events.

After the Paris shootings, it is a normal reaction. Terrorist techniques have "evolved" (so to say) since the 20th century until nowadays, not large attacks with bombs anymore, but shootings/stabbings/trucks running down people in localized areas. As soon as there is one shooter, there could be several of them coordinated for an attack as it happened in Paris. Therefore, any small strange event coming from a crowded place (like Stachus yesterday in Munich) it can escalate quickly to a full alert and police deployment and media coverage just in case.

[Ocram's Razr 963]

"Unless [many] like you care a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."

—Theodore Geisel

 

At this point, the only way to prevent The Fall is for more people to actively work at solving the problem than there are people who either worsen the problem or stopped caring. The media puts a lot of people in the 2nd camp and many activists fall in the first camp (either by focusing on their demographic, or realizing the futility of reforming the existing system). Therefore, the most probable outcome is the collapse of the major establishments before the Millenials retire. The constant expectation of acting happy (from corporate America and many families) pushes many people to find a twisted form of happiness from witnessing the misfortune of others.

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10 minutes ago, OcramsRzr said:

"Unless [many] like you care a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not."

—Theodore Geisel

 

At this point, the only way to prevent The Fall is for more people to actively work at solving the problem than there are people who either worsen the problem or stopped caring. The media puts a lot of people in the 2nd camp and many activists fall in the first camp (either by focusing on their demographic, or realizing the futility of reforming the existing system). Therefore, the most probable outcome is the collapse of the major establishments before the Millenials retire. The constant expectation of acting happy (from corporate America and many families) pushes many people to find a twisted form of happiness from witnessing the misfortune of others.

 

Don't really understand your message but in april 2016, exactly 244 people were killed on german motorways. If you want to do something good for mankind, make a petition for a speed limit in germany. Because streets in germany are much more dangerous then terrorists.

Exactly then, when fear or worries loose their roots and they begin to exist by themselfes without a corresponding event in your real life (= apart from media) they become a paranoia.

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56 minutes ago, Fantozzi said:

 

Don't really understand your message but in april 2016, exactly 244 people were killed on german motorways. If you want to do something good for mankind, make a petition for a speed limit in germany. Because streets in germany are much more dangerous then terrorists.

Exactly then, when fear or worries loose their roots and they begin to exist by themselfes without a corresponding event in your real life (= apart from media) they become a paranoia.

Obviously you do NOT understand my message! ;D 

Fear isn't what I feel, happiness and disgust are. I presume American Mass Media tries to brew fear or anger but I lost my sanity a decade ago so I run on Schadenfreude when apathy and mindless entertainment don't cut it for me. I actively banished paranoia and depression from my life after I realized that I couldn't die inside any further. I find nonfiction to be comedy gold these days despite the same exact programming driving some people to suicide.

 

See, my life sucks. Seeing many other lives start to suck seemingly makes my life suck less.

 

My heart strings have been yanked so many time, they broke ages ago. Nowadays, it's a rare occasion when I feel my soul. I haven't felt it in many months but I assume it's still somewhere (locked up and burried deep) but I'm perfectly willing to go without peace and joy if it means I go without sorrow. Pleasure and entertainment are more enjoyable. This part might be lost in translation but Joy is true happiness while entertainment is a reaction to stimuli.

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Okay, OcramsRzr has gone off the deep end -_- 

OT: Why are there always reports of multiple gunmen at first and then it turns out there was only one? Do people just have a hard time imagining that one person can inflict that much damage?

Also, this shooter appears to have been mentally disturbed (not surprising) and was obsessed with mass shootings. It seems to have had nothing to do with extremism. Although I guess we'll find out more. 

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56 minutes ago, MintberryCrunch said:

Okay, OcramsRzr has gone off the deep end -_- 

OT: Why are there always reports of multiple gunmen at first and then it turns out there was only one? Do people just have a hard time imagining that one person can inflict that much damage?

Also, this shooter appears to have been mentally disturbed (not surprising) and was obsessed with mass shootings. It seems to have had nothing to do with extremism. Although I guess we'll find out more. 

Well, yes .... but this is extremism. The psychological component is very strong on extremism.

I remember some years ago there was study in my homecountry - this study was because of Winnenden and the great discussion afterwards, if computer games have an influence on young people. Sadly I forgot the name of this study and can't provide a link. They did really a big research about what happens in the brain while gaming and so on.

They discovered that some people are realy affected by shooting games but others not. There is no relation between the time you play shooter or how violent the shooters are.

It seems that some people aren't able to make differenc between fiction and reality, meanwhile other people can do this much better. There are people, they play games with the worst contend, with bombs and slaugther and blood everywhere, but they never will be influenced by what they see. And there are others, that get lost in those fictional worlds and can't separate it from reality.

Why it is so, what make the difference between those types, is still unknown. But it seems it has to do something with what psychologist call 'basic trust' something you gain during childhood.

Very interesting, I can recommend to do some readings about.

The theory is, that people who never made the experience of this *basi trust* - all of them are possible killers.

So to make a difference, if the arey ISIS or if they are ill ore - don't know - that's just sugar for mass media. If you watch mankind naked, this isn't really a distinction.

You could, extremely simplified, reduce every of those attacks to the question: did they ever felt mothers security or did they not.

And if I was a real evil man, I would say: after all, terrorism shows where mothers failed.

And nothing else lays there behind, as all those religious or political or personal resons - they are rubbish. As millions of people share the same problems - but they won't shoot anyone down. 

And from that insight, me, personally, I learned a very important thing - trust those people who went through misery but didn't lost their sense of humor. Because those are the realy strong.

 

[Easy Bakes 253]

2 hours ago, MintberryCrunch said:

Okay, OcramsRzr has gone off the deep end -_- 

OT: Why are there always reports of multiple gunmen at first and then it turns out there was only one? Do people just have a hard time imagining that one person can inflict that much damage?

Also, this shooter appears to have been mentally disturbed (not surprising) and was obsessed with mass shootings. It seems to have had nothing to do with extremism. Although I guess we'll find out more. 

To the untrained ear 1 automatic weapon firing can sound like multiple guns. especially in a urban setting where you would have a Lot of echoing between buildings and what not.

This is what the media will always run with when they find one average person to interview who ran for his life when the shootings went off and would not  know a AR15 from a pack of firecrackers going off.

Also  multiple gunmen make for  a better story, it makes it sound more like a planed huge Conspiracy instead of someone with mental issues.

these lone wolf things are going to be the norm for a while, it seems it would be something very difficult to discover before it happens.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Easy Bakes said:

these lone wolf things are going to be the norm for a while, it seems it would be something very difficult to discover before it happens.

These shootings don't scare me, I don't lose sleep over them nor the thought of more occurring in the future. 

But you know what is scary? In response to violent outbreaks like this, every now and then I happen across an article on the internet, TV news, or radio that promotes (or at least seems to promote) research into technologies that can potentially prevent these kinds of events; like t-shirts that can detect changes in body temperature, and other extreme security measures via Silicon Valley ideology. That's that societal control lunacy again. If I had to choose between living in a world where these kinds of so-called tragedies happen every day, or a world where everybody has a gun held to their head by some technological fascist government and told that it's for our protection, security and safety - I'd choose the former. Nothing is worse to me than the thought of a society obsessed with absolute safety and security. And I'd stick with that belief even if it kills me.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Another Attack in germany

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/index.html?sr=fbCNN072516ansbach-germany-blast1200AMVODtopLink&linkId=26891036

 

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31 minutes ago, Easy Bakes said:

Another Attack in germany

 

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/index.html?sr=fbCNN072516ansbach-germany-blast1200AMVODtopLink&linkId=26891036

 

And another: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/world/europe/syrian-refugee-arrested-in-germany-after-fatal-machete-attack.html

[Ocram's Razr 963]

If you all want this story to have a happy plot twist anytime soon, I suggest you all work at making it happen.

 

I have a strong faith in an eventual happy ending to this story, preferably in this volume but I'm fine even if it's in the sequel (examples include City of Ember, Mass Effect 3 extended edition's new ending, Fallout's happy endings, though I would prefer the ending of this current story to be utter anarchy than radioactivity).

 

A perpetually cheerful person can't cheer up someone suffering from tragedies. It takes empathy and a shoulder to cry on.

 

"The news" looks like some combination of a big budget action-thriller blockbuster, some AAA FPS game, a political satire, a gritty crime procedural, a scary psychological thriller, a "realistic" dystopian sci-fi (such as V for Vendetta), and extreme reality TV shows.

  Edited July 27, 2016 by OcramsRzr  
Stop being an attention ho gger

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Go and see a psychiatrist or speak to family and friends OcramsRzr. About a year ago I was feeling what you are feeling, particularly the unreality feeling and it is not healthy.

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On 27.7.2016 at 2:34 AM, Ln X said:

Go and see a psychiatrist or speak to family and friends OcramsRzr. About a year ago I was feeling what you are feeling, particularly the unreality feeling and it is not healthy.

Sorry to pop up but quite yesterday I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is chief editor in a well known german newspaper.

If you have a look on TV-news over the last 20 years, how it is presented, it changed very much. There were things invented like 'infotainment', TV-debates, reality-tv etc. All had the aim to make those info-stuff, the facts, more interesting, to gain spectators for news, politics, not only for TV-shows, to make people to become more interested into news again.To make selling news/politics successfull.

But with this also an overall 'emotionalization' of news and politics arose. Sometimes people protest in the streets without any clear political message but highly emotionalized, full of anger and protest, hyped about things - rarely you can call them facts.

It's a 'fealt truth', they rely on. Hard to argue, to disucss about. A strange but quite interesting phenomenon. They call them, who present facts, liars, and withdraw on what they feel: fear f.e.

This isn't psychological problem I think, it seems to be ... but it's a social problem in my opinion and media has a great impact on it - as media began to sell emotions instead of boring details.

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19 minutes ago, Fantozzi said:

Sorry to pop up but quite yesterday I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is chief editor in a well known german newspaper.

If you have a look on TV-news over the last 20 years, how it is presented, it changed very much. There were things invented like 'infotainment', TV-debates, reality-tv etc. All had the aim to make those info-stuff, the facts, more interesting, to gain spectators for news, politics, not only for TV-shows, to make people to become more interested into news again.To make selling news/politics successfull.

But with this also an overall 'emotionalization' of news and politics arose. Sometimes people protest in the streets without any clear political message but highly emotionalized, full of anger and protest, hyped about things - rarely you can call them facts.

It's a 'fealt truth', they rely on. Hard to argue, to disucss about. A strange but quite interesting phenomenon. They call them, who present facts, liars, and withdraw on what they feel: fear f.e.

This isn't psychological problem I think, it seems to be ... but it's a social problem in my opinion and media has a great impact on it - as media began to sell emotions instead of boring details.

What I'm about to say is probably very obvious but the only way of making things change is visiting other news outlets less prone to infotainment. There are serious, independent, or crowdfunded news outlets that stay away of "the 10 most embarassing Miley Cyrus moments" news, and analyze the news and the facts, usually providing lots of data. I know a few and they end up being my main information source when in politics but also for banal things like football, for example. Switch off the TV though  if you're looking for information, no content out of it is thought for a person with an IQ higher than 90, nothing serious comes out of it these days. I recently bought a Chromecast, and now I started to give an actual use to my TV.

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8 hours ago, Fantozzi said:

Sorry to pop up but quite yesterday I had a conversation with a friend of mine who is chief editor in a well known german newspaper.

If you have a look on TV-news over the last 20 years, how it is presented, it changed very much. There were things invented like 'infotainment', TV-debates, reality-tv etc. All had the aim to make those info-stuff, the facts, more interesting, to gain spectators for news, politics, not only for TV-shows, to make people to become more interested into news again.To make selling news/politics successfull.

But with this also an overall 'emotionalization' of news and politics arose. Sometimes people protest in the streets without any clear political message but highly emotionalized, full of anger and protest, hyped about things - rarely you can call them facts.

It's a 'fealt truth', they rely on. Hard to argue, to disucss about. A strange but quite interesting phenomenon. They call them, who present facts, liars, and withdraw on what they feel: fear f.e.

This isn't psychological problem I think, it seems to be ... but it's a social problem in my opinion and media has a great impact on it - as media began to sell emotions instead of boring details.

To be honest a "fealt truth" sounds kind of scary, it's not even intuition because intuition is taken some facts and trying to extrapolate a likely outcome. What I find scary is that if there are a bunch of people protesting because they're angry, or mad, or upset and don't want to rationalize it out, then someone will rationalize it out for them. It is a wasted protest.

Contrast that with the Civil Rights protests in 1960s and 1970s America which had actual factual truths that people wanted changed: certain laws had to be removed, black people needed to cast their vote and assert their rights regardless of the discrimination and racism. It was protests for a genuine better outcome, for a better life. That's good protests.

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3 hours ago, Ln X said:

To be honest a "fealt truth" sounds kind of scary, it's not even intuition because intuition is taken some facts and trying to extrapolate a likely outcome. What I find scary is that if there are a bunch of people protesting because they're angry, or mad, or upset and don't want to rationalize it out, then someone will rationalize it out for them.

And yet, you and me, we have to come to the 'socratic point', to become aware, we know nothing at all and truth can't be owned by someone - to overcome this state of 'believe' in things held to be true.

Perhaps you know the 'Little Prince', written by Antoine de Saint Exupéry, who is taught by a rose: "But the eyes are blind. One must look with the heart."

To look with our hearts - isn't that, what we're talking about? So why scary about this way of looking? It's a matter of your heart - if you are full of hate or if you are scary.

Can truth itself have emotions? I'm not shure about that. Very complicated - regarding the truth of emotions ...???

I think: truth (in this, the rational sense) is as cold as the coldest point of the universe. You reach truth when all emotions fall apart, everything you would call 'human' - that's why people are talking about the 'naked truth'.

But then - is this how we should be - the truth owner, the always cold, judging life without any emotion? Shouldn't we leave this better to algorithms?

Just what you argue about - you're doing the same in one sentence. As to be 'scaried' about something is already your 'felt truth'. As truth, naked, would be undressed from any emotion. That's why it's hard to imagine that agression and hate can carry any truth. There's something mixed up, the different sense of words. Even if emotions are 'true' - this doesn't mean they carry truth in a logical sense.

Difficult to understand (for me). You know, ancient greeks had two different words for 'speech', one was 'mythos' one was 'logos'. Both kinds of speech were equal, showed truth. Would need me to make much speech to explain further - but this, and the way, the metamorphoses, those two words took to arrive in our present, could maybe help to recognize the confusion in this mixing of the sense of the word 'truth'.

 

When I was a young adult, maybe 14, 15 years old - we were taught about Holocaust in history class. And I thought: those stupid jews. Why did they wait so long and stayed here in germany? Why didn't they run away? Why didn't they emigrate? Why did they mount the trains like sheeps - even forced to pay for their ticket for the travel to Auschwitz? I imaged them as a pliable and passive crowd. Mounting in thousands and hundreds of thousands the trains towards death.

Even if between 1936 and 1938 they still got permission to emigrate.  Why did they stay in hell?

Another 'truth' I found much later - except of switzerland, no one wanted to take jewish refugees, especially if they were artists or academics, the chances were very low to get entry permissions in most countries for jewish refugees, included the USA or Great Brittain. Most countries changed their mind on that when it was already to late and only illegal escape, with the help of smugglers, was left as a possibility.

 

And lateley I cought myself wondering - what uncaring parents might those be, staying in Aleppo with their little childs while they drops bombs as this was the day of the doom.  

Why they stay there? Are they stupid sheeps to accept to have their children killed?

 

Even how to judge the german cancelor Angela Merkel on her behavior on refugees - it may change colour like light falling during the day.

Sometimes I think it's really like light  - if it doesn't catch you, staggers you - like your mother came without knocking into your room while you were masturbating under the blanket - if it doesn't feel the same, ashamed, puzzling, disturbing - it can't be truth. So go on searching, till you have this feeling while thinking.

So how they can have truth - being full of credo and decidness? How can they even believe they came close? Feelings will tell you when you found truth. And the feeling is: astonishment, surprise, maybe even beeing dazzled and appaled.    

So, yes, I think, it is that way. Some things can't be spoken. They have to be felt.

And well, so ... at least when you're on the path towards truth can be felt. But it is not to 'feel shure' or to 'feel in doubt'. Hard to tell. But I think it wasn't by accident Plato called astonishment the beginning of all philosophy. And so, to follow Plato, if you never felt astonishment - you can be assured, you didn't even start yet. Maybe even to be 'scary' fits. Don't know.

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Erm... I think we've both gone off topic.