Shooting at Oregon High School

[CapTon 592]

http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at-high-school-near-portland/#axzz34FkVFkpu

 

Here we go again....

[Fatherted 129]

Bored of this at this point. I'm just gonna say what I usually say and what my responses are.

Me: Blah blah gun control blah blah mental health blah blah background checks blah blah disgusting

Other person: Blah blah freedom blah blah constitutional right blah blah NRA blah blah 2nd amendment blah blah isolated incident blah blah don't use this as a way to take away rights

Sorry if this seems insensitive but I've dealt this argument too many times to be surprised or shocked.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Oh, no.  Not again.  Snore!  Let's hear it for Malthus.

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Bored of this at this point. I'm just gonna say what I usually say and what my responses are.

Me: Blah blah gun control blah blah mental health blah blah background checks blah blah disgusting

Other person: Blah blah freedom blah blah constitutional right blah blah NRA blah blah 2nd amendment blah blah isolated incident blah blah don't use this as a way to take away rights

Sorry if this seems insensitive but I've dealt this argument too many times to be surprised or shocked.

And yet, these tragedies still happen. Regardless of what people say, people are still dying in incidents like these.

[BLANKBLANK 4,414]

 

Bored of this at this point. I'm just gonna say what I usually say and what my responses are.

Me: Blah blah gun control blah blah mental health blah blah background checks blah blah disgusting

Other person: Blah blah freedom blah blah constitutional right blah blah NRA blah blah 2nd amendment blah blah isolated incident blah blah don't use this as a way to take away rights

Sorry if this seems insensitive but I've dealt this argument too many times to be surprised or shocked.

And yet, these tragedies still happen. Regardless of what people say, people are still dying in incidents like these.

 

 

It's called compassion fatigue. One reads the article and goes 'oh' and then moves on; especially if the incidence is in a country far away.

[elavery 1,013]

American society needs to stop acting outraged at these shootings, it is tiresome. Either admit that the occasional shooting spree is the price we are willing to pay for constitutional freedom or act to change the laws. This constant outrage on twitter and facebook and hashtag campaigns are pathetic. If people really want gun control they should mobilize huge protests around the country and become single-issue voters. Perhaps the fact that this hasn't happened is a sign that we don't really care.

[Duke87 1,070]

I can't help but notice that the picture at the head of the article is of a military armored transport with a gunner's turret on top labeled "sheriff".

 

That's pretty scary unto itself. Why do civilian police have military grade equipment?

[CapTon 592]

American society needs to stop acting outraged at these shootings, it is tiresome. Either admit that the occasional shooting spree is the price we are willing to pay for constitutional freedom or act to change the laws. This constant outrage on twitter and facebook and hashtag campaigns are pathetic. If people really want gun control they should mobilize huge protests around the country and become single-issue voters. Perhaps the fact that this hasn't happened is a sign that we don't really care.

If you consider occasional almost every month then I wonder what "a lot" would be.

 

And people are attempting to mobilize said protests. You can't act like absolutely no one is sincerely protesting against the problem.

[Compdude787 916]

We couldn't go a day without a shooting happening somewhere in America? How sad...

 

God help us!

[CapTon 592]

We couldn't go a day without a shooting happening somewhere in America? How sad...

 

God help us!

So many psychotic people out there... raised poorly and raised on false information.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I can't help but notice that the picture at the head of the article is of a military armored transport with a gunner's turret on top labeled "sheriff".

 

That's pretty scary unto itself. Why do civilian police have military grade equipment?

Because, no matter what you believe, you are living in a police state run by a plutocratic oligarchy giving lip service to the Constitution.

[elavery 1,013]

 

American society needs to stop acting outraged at these shootings, it is tiresome. Either admit that the occasional shooting spree is the price we are willing to pay for constitutional freedom or act to change the laws. This constant outrage on twitter and facebook and hashtag campaigns are pathetic. If people really want gun control they should mobilize huge protests around the country and become single-issue voters. Perhaps the fact that this hasn't happened is a sign that we don't really care.

If you consider occasional almost every month then I wonder what "a lot" would be.

 

And people are attempting to mobilize said protests. You can't act like absolutely no one is sincerely protesting against the problem.

 

 

 

I don't see any large-scale protests. It seems to me that American society doesn't care enough yet to really do anything. The politicians wouldn't be in bed with the NRA if it cost them any chance at re-election.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

There is absolutely no chance of any concerted action in the U.S. unless there is some sort of national outrage on an unimaginable scale.  It will take a 9/11 type event, and may not produce the desired reaction.

 

I can think of several that might do it, but I won't even suggest them.

 

The usual reaction to such events is as follows:

1.  Finger pointing -- usually in the wrong direction

2.  Knee jerk legislation taking away even more freedom

3.  Analysis -- usually with the wrong premise and lots of prejudice

4.  Consequent increase in police powers and general loss of liberty

[elavery 1,013]

There is absolutely no chance of any concerted action in the U.S. unless there is some sort of national outrage on an unimaginable scale.  It will take a 9/11 type event, and may not produce the desired reaction.

 

I can think of several that might do it, but I won't even suggest them.

 

The usual reaction to such events is as follows:

1.  Finger pointing -- usually in the wrong direction

2.  Knee jerk legislation taking away even more freedom

3.  Analysis -- usually with the wrong premise and lots of prejudice

4.  Consequent increase in police powers and general loss of liberty

 

 

Very well said.

[CapTon 592]

 

 

American society needs to stop acting outraged at these shootings, it is tiresome. Either admit that the occasional shooting spree is the price we are willing to pay for constitutional freedom or act to change the laws. This constant outrage on twitter and facebook and hashtag campaigns are pathetic. If people really want gun control they should mobilize huge protests around the country and become single-issue voters. Perhaps the fact that this hasn't happened is a sign that we don't really care.

If you consider occasional almost every month then I wonder what "a lot" would be.

 

And people are attempting to mobilize said protests. You can't act like absolutely no one is sincerely protesting against the problem.

 

 

 

I don't see any large-scale protests. It seems to me that American society doesn't care enough yet to really do anything. The politicians wouldn't be in bed with the NRA if it cost them any chance at re-election.

 

You may not see anything on a larger scale, but there are people that are protesting. Just not a lot. Most of American society doesn't care enough yet.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

The political apathy in America is rather staggering for a people who go around touting all their freedoms that they only think they have.  A great deal was lost in the Patriot Act which amounts to setting up a Court of the Star Chamber complete with Lettres de Cachet.  It essentially erased Habeas Corpus.  All you need to do is accuse someone of being a terrorist and it is about the same as being denounced before the Directory in the French Revolution.

[elavery 1,013]

American society is not apathetic over some issues, they just have a list of priorities and gun-control is not one of them. Healthcare, jobs, and education are.

[CapTon 592]

American society is not apathetic over some issues, they just have a list of priorities and gun-control is not one of them. Healthcare, jobs, and education are.

Well if it's not a priority now, then it used to be at some point. I remember watching my local news all the time and see the anchors discussing gun control and showing short videos of people protesting to support the cause. It appears that now it may not be as important.

[fan o SC4 128]

"One man with a gun can control 100 without one."- Vladimir Lenin said that, I hate to quote him a conservative, but the quote is pretty relevant.

 

The American government seems to be going after a lot of freedoms lately, take away the guns you make take away one of the last facets of government accountability and proletariat sovereignty. The risks of guns is still better than the risks of not having them, the government is a lot more dangerous to us than any gun toting individual, although gun violence is still unacceptable and atrocious, don't get me wrong, the violence is a problem.

 

Now come the liberal counter arguments...bring it on...

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

American society is not apathetic over some issues, they just have a list of priorities and gun-control is not one of them. Healthcare, jobs, and education are.

And good government is most certainly not on their list.