Negative Commercial demand in all cities

[IBBubba 2]

Hello all

 

I seem to have a minor problem with my commercial demand. Until recently,7/4 when noticed, my commercial demand has dropped to -4500 in ALL cities.  It even occurs with new cities, where the demand should be highest.  I have deleted all plugins addend since 7/2. I think I may have missed something. Does anyone have any suggestions? I am ready to just uninstall and reinstall everything. I do have another question. Could I just move my plugin file out of the SimCity4 file folder, or the whole SC4 folder? I'll try both while waiting for a reply and report back.

 

Thanks to all

 

 

EDIT: Cannot remove the whole SC4 folder as all the regions reside there.  Just remaned the plugin folder to test.

 

EDIT 2 Removing the plugins does NOT solve the problem!!

[infamousjbe 592]

Is it all C's? or just a specific C type (CS$/$$/$$$,CO$$/$$). It could have something to do with your demand caps. Do you make sure to plop down all the gifts given to you when presented? Plus plenty of parks everywhere. There are probably a few more demand cap lifters that I'm not familiar with. Hopefully someone else can shed a bit more light.

 Could I just move my plugin file out of the SimCity4 file folder, or the whole SC4 folder? I'll try both while waiting for a reply and report back.

 

Yes, but I think you want the plug-ins folder located at user/mydocs/Simcity/plugins

 

This is where 99% of custom content will end up. You can remove or edit it as much as you want, but you have to be careful to have all the proper plugins in the plugins folder that relate to any city you've used any of the content in, or the content will no longer work correctly

[IBBubba 2]

It is all C's with maybe the exception of CS$. Moving the file I mention did remove alot of plugins but did not affect demand.

I will look into the one in user maybe I'll find the odd plugin there

 

Edit   I was in the SC4 file in My Doc in User. so that was in it.  Also the game created a new plugin folder.

[AcronShinra 60]

Random thoughts:

 

- Is your game fully patched? (0.638 at very least)

- Have you used any demand mods?

- Have you used any ploppable lots with tons of COM jobs?

- Have you made any changes to simcity_1.dat?

 

There is also possibility of overzoning, but game rather would balance itself before such high demand drop.

[IBBubba 2]

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Random thoughts:

 

- Is your game fully patched? (0.638 at very least)

- Have you used any demand mods?

- Have you used any ploppable lots with tons of COM jobs?

- Have you made any changes to simcity_1.dat?

 

There is also possibility of overzoning, but game rather would balance itself before such high demand drop.

I have the latest patches. I had CAM and deleted it with no effect. No ploppables in new cities where I first noticed the problem.  I don't think i ever changed simcity_1.dat

[SimCoug 5,972]

I'm pretty sure the effects of CAM will remain even after you remove it from your plugins. Demand mods usually have lasting effects and are not designed to be swapped in and out of your plugins folder.

[IBBubba 2]

I have been doing some work and still have not gotten the demand issue repaired

Should I just wipe out and reinstall SC4 and reinstall everything up to the date I noticed the problem?

[jlt122 46]

Try making a new region first and see if the effects from Cam being removed. Give you the same results there or straightens itself out first before doing a total re-install. The reason is because  the region you are playing in was effected by the cam and the new region will not be effect by it since it isn't in your plugins folder anymore.

Just a thought is all.

[IBBubba 2]

Try making a new region first and see if the effects from Cam being removed. Give you the same results there or straightens itself out first before doing a total re-install. The reason is because  the region you are playing in was effected by the cam and the new region will not be effect by it since it isn't in your plugins folder anymore.

Just a thought is all.

Thanks tried that without any success.  I think I am going to do a reinstall over the existing one.

[cogeo 960]

Maybe you have installed some RCI-type plugin(s) like CAM, or those so-called "demand mods". Have you dat-packed your plugin folder(s)?

If so, remove them play your city/region for some game-months or -years, and it will slowly balance-out. If however, the unbalanced demand has also caused unbalanced growth, eg more C development than needed, then demand won't balance-out on its own; you just have unbalanced cities, so you need to balance the, yourself. But this shouldn't be hard at all. If you have excessive C development you most probably have excessive R demand as well, so all you need to do is cause more R development (zone more R zones, or grow your city vertically); C demand will then improve.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Since there is nothing in your user area except data files, be sure to save and restore them across your reinstall.  You might want to delete the file SimCity 4.cfg.  In fact, try deleting that and see if your problem goes away when it makes a new one for you.

[Metalpuritan 160]

Do not do a fresh install, there is never a need for a fresh install, not the way this game's file structure as made anyway, nothing you have ever downloaded has ever gone to your maxis folder and as such you should never need a fresh install.  Unless you installed things to your maxis folder in which case, you could have made an error in the installation but even at that all you should have to do to reset the game back to it's fresh install state is just delete the contents of your plugins folders.

 

What I am trying to say here is that even if you do a fresh install that may not solve your problems.  For a fresh install to work you would have to erase along with it all of your saved data too.  All that does is clean out your plugins folders and resets your regions folder so you are back with just deleting everything from your plugins folders again...

 

Nobody should ever have to do a fresh install for this game, well unless they have altered the maxis file(like I said...again, sorry for redundancy).

 

Unless my memory is garbage, and it might be, it actually states int he CAM readme that it should only be used in fresh regions, and that removing could cause serious issues.  That is probably what is doing it.

 

I thinka  fresh install is a knee-jerk overreaction, I have done it too long long long ago in a galaxy far far away and later I found out that it was a knee-jerk overreaction.

[Turjan 1,048]

I I had CAM and deleted it with no effect.

 

I know that several people here say that, when you delete the CAM, everything goes back to normal after a while, but in my own experience, I'm not too convinced. I only tested the CAM once and a grew a city to about 100,000 inhabitants. I then removed the CAM and started other cities in the region (the CAM city didn't need neighbors), but when I went back to the CAM city, nothing had changed. Demand was still through the roof for about everything. The city grew quickly to about 315,000 inhabitants, and it doesn't show any sign of slowing down (demand is still up there). To me, it looks as if there was some kind of memory in the city save itself.

 

I'm aware that this is just an anecdotal observation, so take it for what it's worth.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

As versions of my O/S change, I need to do a fresh install on the Linux wine prefix.  This installs the whole shebang, but takes only about five minutes.  I need to make a fresh wine prefix if I am testing some new program under wine and want SC4 available on that prefix.

 

If you are on Windoze, the only reason for a fresh install is if you have messed up your program files area.  You do not need a fresh install on Windoze to allow multiple users, just some permissions settings for the other userids.  Because Microsoft often monkeys with the registry on new Windoze versions, you may very well need to do a reinstall if you get a new version of the O/S (Windoze 9 for example).

[IBBubba 2]

UPDATE!

 

The problem only shows up on existing regions. I created an new region and the demands for all property types are in the + side of the graph. Any region started prior the First of July has only positive R$ and some I-D, I-M, and I-HT. All other types are fully negative.  Demand is like this in all citys in the region weither fully developed, partaly or newly created.