The Simtropolis Closet

[Simguyuk 0]

I would say Im far too young to eb choosing, but I would say right now that Im straight.

 

What pisses me off is that i have a twin brother and HE gets all the girls. We're not really identical but still...Grrr.

[Duke87 1,070]

Date: 7/11/2005 8:58:51 PM Author: jmusshorn

Date: 7/11/2005 6:59:34 PM Author: Ratieya455 I have no doubts whatsoever that people are born gay. There is both genetic and neurological evidence of it. A friend sent me an email about a study done on a species of fly that proved that homosexuality is genetic, and I would post the link but I deleted the email .

quote> Actually, I remember the study of which you're talking about quite vividly. A study was conducted within a university (I can't remember which one) regarding Fruit Flies and their sexuality. The professors and students managed to isolate a gene within the flies that, when manipulated correctly, actually changed the sexual orientation of the flies. They first put a male fly with a female. The male did the conventional mating dance to the female fly, thus proving its heterosexuality. They then manipulated the previously isolated and defined gene, and paired the original male fly with another male fly that had been altered as well. One male did its mating dance to the other, and the latter male acted in a submissive manner; an act previously identified only with females. It proves something, that's for sure. Although I don't think that this will prove to neo-conservative people that are against homosexuality the fact that sexual orientation is indeed formulated in your genes. Oh well, acceptance comes with time and evolution, I suppose. ~J

[MallowTheCloud 41]

But.... I've never had any problem or mistrust with women... I had a 'normal' upbringing. I don't see what problems with mothers or women in general would have to do with sexual preference.

[GingerBlokey 30]

Well Im officialy OUT.

Chris Ball has told everyone and there's no point in denying it any more.

[jmusshorn 7]

Duke87: Some very interesting points, although I don't truly believe that one can be swayed in either direction. I believe that if you're gay or bi or anything like that: You've been like that since you were born, you can't really change it (although there are churches out there that try to brainwash some into thinking so [i'm serious, and this is no shot at the church]), and that it's just a matter of how difficult it is for you to realize your homosexuality or bisexuality.

 

I mean, I can remember having little childhood crushes in Kindergarten! But they were boys.

My first celeb crush, when I was eight, was on a guy.

 

Even through all this, I didn't completely realize that I was gay until I was about 13y/o. Why? Well, it's kind of hard to admit these things to yourself. I mean, I spent many hours of my life during early puberty trying to tell myself it's okay, maybe everyone thinks like this and well, girls can't be that bad... Yes, after over a year of thinking about it I finally admitted it to myself, and soon after to everyone else who mattered in my life.

 

In this I find myself in great agreement with Duke87. The human mind is indeed a very complex thing. Too complex for me to handle gracefully, hence this small deal took over a year of my mental life to maul over.

 

I'm glad I took the time that it deserved though. I feel that I'm a better person for it[realizing that I'm gay].

 

~J

[mentarman 14]

People aren't gay because they had some sort of traumatic experience with women or can't trust them or whatever. It's not like all gay men had some horrible experience with their mothers, or don't trust women, and it's not like all people who had horrible experiences with their mothers or can't trust women are gay.
And studies have shown that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be gay.

[Zelgadis 638]

Human sexuality is such a varied and wonderous thing. From what I read, the jury is still out on whether or not upbringing has anything to do with it, but most scientists agree that genetics play a major role. We are more complex than fruit flies though, so most researchers also believe that it's a combination of genes in humans that influence sexuality.

That said, and to illustrate this point, I would like to tell a story. It's a big lengthy. So I apologize for that and I would be most appreciative if you would stick with it until the end.

People on my mother's side of the family seem to go through a sort of delayed adolescence. The same holds true for both my brother and me. My mother was able to get into the circus when she was 19 and married for the kids price (under 12). My brother was less than 5 feet tall until after he was in college for 2 years. Now he's 5'10. On a side note, it was sort of funny that he couldn't drive his first car (a 1975 Chevy Malibu) unless he sat on a pillow.

My delay was of a different sort. I grew up mostly on schedule (5'8). But I can definitely say that I was quite asexual for a longer time than most people. Up until I was 23 years old, I never experienced attraction of any sort to men or women. At that time, my delayed adolescence kicked in.

Try to remember what it was like going through adolescence when you were a teenager. If you are a teenager, just think about what you're going through now. Now try to imagine it when you are an adult. Scary, eh? That's what happened to me. During that time, I grew another inch and a half and experienced all sorts of other uncertainties that most have when they are teenagers.

At this time, I lived alone, in Japan. Nobody to influence me other than me at that time.

I figured out that I am attracted to men at the age of 24, courtesy of a very handsome video game character. (Laugh if you wish, but I've always been drawn to the abstract and fanciful. I'm still that way and it's just part of what makes me who I am. I still sometimes buy games based on whether or not the main character is cute.)

My hormones settled and my brain returned to normal. I met my boyfriend, whom I'm marrying next year. Thinking back, I know of nothing that could have influenced the way I am other than genetics. (except, perhaps, for a pre-pubescent crush on Commander Riker from Star Trek: TNG) Many things I enjoy have been influenced by how I grew up, but I am virtually certain that my genes just took me for a ride on this one.

Besides, there is scientific evidence that, while gay people cannot naturally have children, there is a place for us in natural order. Studies are starting to show that homosexuals in the family units of higher animals act as sort of surrogate nurturers, taking care of young whose parents have abandoned their offspring or died.

That's a bit odd to me, because I loathe babies.

Anyway, I hope you made it to the end here. Thanks for indluging me.

ISF

P.S. Oh, and the identity of the aforementioned video game character is in Off Topic somewhere, for those of you who are interested.

[Simguyuk 0]

Wait, now I come to think of it, Im not so sure.

 

Theres one girl at school, whom I get that tingly feeling when I sit next to her, but Im terrified of telling her, even though most (Well, ok, some) people have said that she peobably fancies me as well. She also usually sits next to me in a lesson where we're allowed to choose our seat.

 

But, i also know what boys are ugly and what ones aren't. theres also this one boy at school whos had a few girls in his time and most people say is pretty good-looking. But I think he might be coming on to me. Now I think about it, far from being scared, I would be quite flattered if he was actually.

 

So what does that make me or Him? Or even her (Some times I never know when those lot are pretending to be lesbian or not, but I dont care, they know they're teasing us...Bitches!)

 

Actually, thats another thing that Ive always wanted to ask, do women like it when they see gay men kiss etc. Just like a lot of men like lesbian porn etc.

[+Guest]

OMG simguy, you sound like you are having fun, lol.

YAY! Lol, this is the 5th time Ive come out, now, lol!

 

At school, I just had fun with it, winding people up- generating paranoia in PE lessons, it was all a laugh.

Wasn't 'officially' out until last august. Even then, not everyone knew have come out 4 times now, and I think its quite fun. Mind ye, last time was at a barn dance, and 10 minutes later some straight 16yo I work with stuck his tongue down my throat, (Im 1. He was drunk and i was sober, driving the overnight accommodation, lol

 

Thats another thing- I always come across as being straight. Quite handy when i go into a rough pub or garage, tho. Although i lean towards a punkish-gothish front, and can be found drunk listening to loud angry music, I am the epitome of amicable

 

PS: Is it normal that loads of people in real-life and online ask me for advice for coming out (Ive been out less than a year), like 10 people?

[katie2007 0]

well i guess here it comes the first lesbian. yeah you read right i am a lesbian and proud!

[SpartanBadger 4]

Um OK I don't want to sound overtly stupid, but Zelgadis I thought you said you were a lesbian, but you're getting married to your boyfriend?

About the transgender issue; I watched a show on Discovery Health Channel about this issue and they believe (with evidence that supports this) that the male brain and the female brain have characteristics that set them apart. So instead of having an asexual brain, your brain is supposed to be different from the opposite sex. They found that the transgender people believe that they are actually the opposite sex because they have that brain; a male with a female brain, visa versa. That's my two cents.

[Ratieya455 1]

Date: 7/12/2005 11:31:34 AM
Author: Duke87

Date: 7/11/2005 8:58:51 PM Author: jmusshorn

Date: 7/11/2005 6:59:34 PM Author: Ratieya455 I have no doubts whatsoever that people are born gay. There is both genetic and neurological evidence of it. A friend sent me an email about a study done on a species of fly that proved that homosexuality is genetic, and I would post the link but I deleted the email .

quote> Actually, I remember the study of which you're talking about quite vividly. A study was conducted within a university (I can't remember which one) regarding Fruit Flies and their sexuality. The professors and students managed to isolate a gene within the flies that, when manipulated correctly, actually changed the sexual orientation of the flies. They first put a male fly with a female. The male did the conventional mating dance to the female fly, thus proving its heterosexuality. They then manipulated the previously isolated and defined gene, and paired the original male fly with another male fly that had been altered as well. One male did its mating dance to the other, and the latter male acted in a submissive manner; an act previously identified only with females. It proves something, that's for sure. Although I don't think that this will prove to neo-conservative people that are against homosexuality the fact that sexual orientation is indeed formulated in your genes. Oh well, acceptance comes with time and evolution, I suppose. ~J

[Zelgadis 638]

Date: 7/12/2005 7:20:53 PM
Author: XSpiderman

Um OK I don't want to sound overtly stupid, but Zelgadis I thought you said you were a lesbian, but you're getting married to your boyfriend?

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XSpiderman, I'm a guy, thank you very much.

You were perhaps referring to a previous post wherein I wondered if there were any lesbians about?

Anyhoo, a big welcome to our lone (so far) lesbian participant!

ISF

[masher 3]

LMAO......OOOOPS!

We really need a foot in the mouth smiley!!

[jmusshorn 7]

@SimguyUK: I'm actually not sure what that makes you. Honestly, you could theoretically be bisexual. It all depends on how you interpret your feelings for this boy. I figure it like this; you could be seeing this potential same-sex attraction in two different [propable] ways: 1) You would actually want to enter a relationship with him, -or- 2) It's simply flattering that a person of the same sex would find you attractive in a way that he would find noone else of the same sex attractive.

 

To be honest, I've had those feelings regarding women. If a girl hits on me or finds me attractive, I'm almost never offended by it, in fact I find it quite flattering, perhaps in the same way that you do. Doesn't mean that I would attempt to make a relationship with them, but it's just nice to hear that someone out there thinks you're hot stuff.

 

Know what I mean?

 

@XSpiderman: Regarding the transgendered; I really didn't know that about the brain. Wow, the human mind truly is an extremely complex thing. Very interesting concept and theory (has the claim in its specific entirety been sceintifically proven, or is it still theory?) though.

 

It's great to hear that people are open to acceptance of new scientific data and proof as it readily becomes available. It shows that the world may be changing and heading in a more progressive, open-minded direction. I would hope this much for the United States as well. (That's not a shot at the U.S.A. in any way, shape, or form, BTW. Please don't flame me.)

 

@ATPjohn: You know, quite often, people come to me for coming out advice as well (online and in real life). You know what it may well be? The fact that we have come out, we have no problem with our own homosexuality (or bisexuality), and we're still the same people that we were before we came out, more or less. People in the closet may admire that, and want to emulate this success within their own lives. IDK.

 

~J

[Simguyuk 0]

Date: 7/13/2005 5:53:07 AM Author: jmusshorn

@SimguyUK: I'm actually not sure what that makes you. Honestly, you could theoretically be bisexual. It all depends on how you interpret your feelings for this boy. I figure it like this; you could be seeing this potential same-sex attraction in two different [propable] ways: 1) You would actually want to enter a relationship with him, -or- 2) It's simply flattering that a person of the same sex would find you attractive in a way that he would find noone else of the same sex attractive.

To be honest, I've had those feelings regarding women. If a girl hits on me or finds me attractive, I'm almost never offended by it, in fact I find it quite flattering, perhaps in the same way that you do. Doesn't mean that I would attempt to make a relationship with them, but it's just nice to hear that someone out there thinks you're hot stuff.

Know what I mean?

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Thats true. thats probably wherer I stand

[Simguyuk 0]

The funniest phrase I heard to do with sexuality was in-fact in The Economist. There was an article in there about the booming gay quarter of Mexico city. Underneath the picture it said 'The Closet is for Clothes'.

[+Guest]

Well, I think its important to stay open and unoffended. Yes, I too would be quite flattered if a girl hit on me.

Mind ye, it happens a lot for some reason
For a laugh I wouldn't say no to sticking my tongue down her throat, but it definitely wouldn't mean anything. But then I can be quite slutty like that

[Oakenshield 1]

Date: 7/13/2005 9:23:56 AM
Author: ATPjohn

Well, I think its important to stay open and unoffended. Yes, I too would be quite flattered if a girl hit on me.

Mind ye, it happens a lot for some reason

For a laugh I wouldn't say no to sticking my tongue down her throat, but it definitely wouldn't mean anything. But then I can be quite slutty like that

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The inverse always seems to happen to me. I'm straight, but for some reason, I've been hit on numerous times by gay men. Maybe it's the junk I have in my trunk.

Whatever the case, I'm no less flattered when it happens - someone finds me attractive, and that's a Good Thing; man, woman...or anything in between.

[mentarman 14]

Yeah, I've spent a fair amount of time in gay clubs because a couple of close friends and a cousin who is one of my favorite people in the world are gay. Actually I like it because the music is usually better and I don't have to worry about hitting on someone or whatever. And a lot of my female friends like it because they don't have to worry about fending off guys all night and feeling like it's a meat market for them (hence the stereotype of a certain kind of women who hang out with gay men). There's no pressure there because I'm not on the market there. I used to get hit on a fair amount, especially when I was a bit younger, and I'd just kind of nicely deflect the person and be flattered they were interested. I mean, I don't know why that freaks some guys out so much that it's a real huge fear with some homophobic guys that they'll get hit on. It's not like they'll hypnotize you and make you have sex with them. You have all the power to decide what to do when someone expresses their interest in you. I mean, girls in straight bars get hit on all the time by people they aren't interested in doing anything with. I'd guess they do the same thing: deflect the person, feel a tad flattered, then forget about it.

[GingerBlokey 30]

Well one day of being an out gay. Ive met 2 homophobs and loads of people have been supportive. Ive been 'hit-on' by 2 in-closet gays ands bisexuals and told that im a much better man for it.

Being gay is good.

[subedei 3]

 Now please dont get me wrong but is this thread really needed or appropriate on ST. This actually could offend some people or the parents of some of our members. This topic should be discussed more in private then out in the open.

 

 

 

Subedei

[+Guest]

lol I just saw your sig

[GingerBlokey 30]

Date: 7/13/2005 1:03:47 PM
Author: subedei

Now please dont get me wrong but is this thread really needed or appropriate on ST. This actually could offend some people or the parents of some of our members. This topic should be discussed more in private then out in the open.

Subedei

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See ... I knew it.

Someone out there would say that ST was not mature enough for this. I am offended by things I see most every day. Some things in life are there and you just have to deal with it.

[subedei 3]

GB its not an issue wether people are mature enough its about what is considered appropriate or not. We have to be considerate to members who may be offended by this subject.

 

 

Subedei

[GingerBlokey 30]

Well we havent mentioned sex or anything of the kind. This thread has a quite discreet name and the participents are very mature. I dont see this offending anyone.

[subedei 3]

GB...its all about whats appropraite to a game site.

 

 

Subedei

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Well, isn't this in Off Topic? I found this less offensive than the 'What annoys you' thread.

[Carpman 0]

Date: 7/13/2005 10:59:44 AM
Author: Oakenshield

Whatever the case, I'm no less flattered when it happens - someone finds me attractive, and that's a Good Thing; man, woman...or anything in between.

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Wombat?

[subedei 3]

well now that you mention it Mallow there is alot of threads that need to be closed in the off-topic section. Mainly this one and the picture thread IMHO.

 

 

Subedei