NAM Issues

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Hi All!,

I am new here...and I like it so far.

I have been searching, and can't find this yet.  I have SmiCity 4/Rush Hour.  I installed the new NAM.  After about 3 mins of play, it crashes.  I have version 1.1.640.  

What might the problem be?  I have some other add ons.... Simoleon RH,  Farming jobsx50, Radical Ordanance, and a couple of others.   Does NAM Conflict with all these, or like on another post, is it the airport, or just when a piece hovers?  Help!  Or does NAM like this version?

Thank you  for the help to come...

[CaptCity 4,684]

SilverDragon3000... Welcome to ST...

You do have the correct version of the game for NAM. Also, none of the mods you have listed should conflict with the NAM. You might check or use the Cleanitol file for other mods that you have, specifically if you've used other transit mods.

Are you doing anything in particular when the crashes occur? It might just be the hovering pieces over transit-enabled lots that is giving you the trouble. Care should be taken when selecting some pieces and moving them into position.

Just some thoughts... Let us know...

[sakarr 1]

hmm.

well there are many reasons why it could be crashing

i did have some problems before with the radical ordinace causeing my game to crash because of the auto togle

you might want to try going int your plugins and the radical ordinace file, and taking out the auto part

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Capt...

Not sure, I have not used any other transportation mods.  Maybe I did hover over a tile.  Does that include roads?   Is it best to build the light rail tiles first, with a new city?  

Sigh, it was just frustrating, as I am new to SC4.

I will try it again...maybe I can get it NOT to crash, lol.

Thank you.

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Sakar,

I do not have it on auto.   Also, where do I get this cleanitol file...?

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Hi again,

I tried it again.  Took out all other mods.  Ran it again.  New city. no hovering.  Crash. 

I look at the files in the NAM mod.  According to the directions, it says only to install one auto mod and one transprtation mod.  In the files, there is ONLY one of each.  So...did I get a bad copy, or does it not like Vista?  All other modes work just fine.  

Is the perhaps a light rail - stand alone mod?  That is all I want for now.

Thanks again.

[sithlrd98 66]

SilverDragon3000: In your last post , you mention you are running Vista. Could you supply your computer specs?

Jayson

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Sure....

Compac SR2264Wm

Windows Vista Home Premium

AMD Athlon 64 Proc. 3800+ 2.40 GHz

2.00 GB

32 bit OS

Built in NVIDIA Graphics.

Like I said, I tried everything, and there is only one of each of the files I am supposed to install, no multiple choice, lol.

Does that help?

[sithlrd98 66]

OK , now this may work even though you are running a single core AM2 processor...This is mainly used for dual/quad core cpu's, but it can't hurt to try. Once installed , you don't have to do anything. Let us know if it works!

Jayson

[The Arrowz 3]

Is there anything you're doing in particular that's causing it to crash? I once had a problem where if the elevation changed at all, anywhere on the map, it would crash; with and without plugins. And to this day I have no idea why It happened with every single city in my region; whether it was me laying down a road, or a new building developing, or making a hill, etc... The only solution that worked was to make a new region...

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: sithlrd98 OK , now this may work even though you are running a single core AM2 processor...This is mainly used for dual/quad core cpu's, but it can't hurt to try. Once installed , you don't have to do anything. Let us know if it works!

Jaysonquote>

 

Thank you.  I will try it.  May I ask what it's supposed to do? lol.  Will it help the games, or the whole 'puter?  And yes, I will. 

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: The Arrowz Is there anything you're doing in particular that's causing it to crash? I once had a problem where if the elevation changed at all, anywhere on the map, it would crash; with and without plugins. And to this day I have no idea why It happened with every single city in my region; whether it was me laying down a road, or a new building developing, or making a hill, etc... The only solution that worked was to make a new region...quote>

 

No, not that I know of.  I started a new city, and was putting in a new light rail track.  After a few mins, the game just ***** down.  No errors, nothing.  Sigh.   Like I said, has anyone just made a light rail/tram mod? 

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Well folks,

Thanks for al the help.    I tried it again.  Sigh.  It lasted about 10 mins this time.  The game froze, then crashed.   I was laying lr tiles.  They are a pain.  New part of a city, and 'dozed the roads first..the tried to put in lr stations.   Then, after a few tiles, that's when things went booboo.

Oh well.  I will look for other things.  If any modders out there can help, or design a LR stand alone mod, that won't crash, that would be great!  Or, just change the rail system to a LR with stations...

Sigh...thanks again all.

[CaptCity 4,684]

SilverDragon3000

Have you tried playing a city without the NAM installed? Also, have you used the draggable light rail rather than the pieces, and does it seem to be just the ligth rail pieces or do the other features also cause crashes?

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: CaptCity SilverDragon3000

Have you tried playing a city without the NAM installed? Also, have you used the draggable light rail rather than the pieces, and does it seem to be just the ligth rail pieces or do the other features also cause crashes?quote>

 

CaptCity,

Yes, the game is fine with or without the other mods.   It seemed to be the light rail-on road pieces.   Like I said, I am new to this.  I did not see a draggable light rail, except the other which you have to connect to the elevated train.   Or do you?  I just wanted the independent tram on road, not the other.  Is there a way I can get around this.  I will try again tomorrow..it's late here, lol.

Now, if someone wants to help by phone, send me a private note...maybe I can figure it out with a tech on the phone...hehe.

Thanks

[CaptCity 4,684]

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000

Originally posted by: CaptCity SilverDragon3000

Have you tried playing a city without the NAM installed? Also, have you used the draggable light rail rather than the pieces, and does it seem to be just the ligth rail pieces or do the other features also cause crashes?quote>

 

CaptCity,

Yes, the game is fine with or without the other mods.   It seemed to be the light rail-on road pieces.   Like I said, I am new to this.  I did not see a draggable light rail, except the other which you have to connect to the elevated train.   Or do you?  I just wanted the independent tram on road, not the other.  Is there a way I can get around this.  I will try again tomorrow..it's late here, lol.quote>

 

It sounds as if you are trying to install the NAM files manualy rather than using the installer that comes in the download. (Does it not work on Vista?) Is that correct? From your comments, are you trying to load files necessary for certain componenets of NAM and not others?  Are you able to use the installer that comes with it? It will let you choose the options you want, and you won't need to worry about getting the right ones manually. From your descriptions, it sounds like you might not be getting the necessary files loaded. Just a thought...

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: CaptCity

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000

Originally posted by: CaptCity SilverDragon3000

Have you tried playing a city without the NAM installed? Also, have you used the draggable light rail rather than the pieces, and does it seem to be just the ligth rail pieces or do the other features also cause crashes?quote>

 

CaptCity,

Yes, the game is fine with or without the other mods.   It seemed to be the light rail-on road pieces.   Like I said, I am new to this.  I did not see a draggable light rail, except the other which you have to connect to the elevated train.   Or do you?  I just wanted the independent tram on road, not the other.  Is there a way I can get around this.  I will try again tomorrow..it's late here, lol.quote>

 

It sounds as if you are trying to install the NAM files manualy rather than using the installer that comes in the download. (Does it not work on Vista?) Is that correct? From your comments, are you trying to load files necessary for certain componenets of NAM and not others?  Are you able to use the installer that comes with it? It will let you choose the options you want, and you won't need to worry about getting the right ones manually. From your descriptions, it sounds like you might not be getting the necessary files loaded. Just a thought...quote>

 

Morning. 

Well, I did look at the installer, finally figured out to choose what I want.   I will have to try again, but i think its the TRAM on Road PP that error out.  There is another thread on here, where the person has the same problem.   

I guess I need to experiment more.   Can someone explain to me how to add the LR works? Do you have to connect to the L train?   I know there are like 4 different pieces.   2 are an extentions to the L train.   The other is a seperate tram/LR.   THOSE are the pieces that freeze, then crash the game.  I have yet to see if the others do it.

There is another mod, RTMT Stations.  Says it works by itself...lol, sure, you can place stations, but there is not track!  Now, if the authur could ad track to that, and it worked on it's own then, that would be cool. 

Sigh, I shall return.

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Once again,

Hi.  Well, I tried a couple of other things.  Used the LR track instead of the Tram.  After about 10 mins, it STILL goes down!  Arrrr!!!   Sigh, I guess my puter don't like it.  I try not to hover pieces over other TE tiles...sigh.

I'll just use what I have...lol, until I see a mod that will not crash.

[north country dude 202]

Originally posted by: sithlrd98 OK , now this may work even though you are running a single core AM2 processor...This is mainly used for dual/quad core cpu's, but it can't hurt to try. Once installed , you don't have to do anything. Let us know if it works!

Jaysonquote>

Noooo! The AMD Athlon 64 Proc. 3800+ 2.40 GHz is NOT an AM2 socket, (it is a 64 bit single core 939 socket). That link will not help. (I have the exact same processor, only I'm running Windows XP)

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000

Morning. 

Well, I did look at the installer, finally figured out to choose what I want.   I will have to try again, but i think its the TRAM on Road PP that error out.  There is another thread on here, where the person has the same problem.   

I guess I need to experiment more.   Can someone explain to me how to add the LR works? Do you have to connect to the L train?   I know there are like 4 different pieces.   2 are an extentions to the L train.   The other is a seperate tram/LR.   THOSE are the pieces that freeze, then crash the game.  I have yet to see if the others do it.

There is another mod, RTMT Stations.  Says it works by itself...lol, sure, you can place stations, but there is not track!  Now, if the authur could ad track to that, and it worked on it's own then, that would be cool. 

Sigh, I shall return.quote>

When you are trying to use the Light rail(?) Ground Light Rail(?) puzzle pieces, are you trying to connect them to a Station? Or is there another Transit Enabled Lot nearby, like a Bus stop, or another Lot that has road connections?

Your description,..." the pieces that freeze, then crash the game..." sounds like you are touching the puzzle piece to another Transit Enabled lot or station.

Try doing something else with the simulation,...don't use the NAM pieces,...does the game crash?

If not, then the problem is most likely when you touch any NAM puzzle piece to any Station or Transit Enabled Lot,...the game will freeze for a few seconds,... then "quietly" exit to desk top,... okay, it crashes to desk top.

Transit Enabled Lots do not have to be stations, they can be any simple Lot that has been enabled for transit connections, for instance, an industrial Lot enabled for rail connections, or even a parking Lot enabled for street connection,... if you touch or hover a puzzle piece over any Transit Enabled Lot, it will crash the simulation.

Since this problem cannot be fixed, it is suggested that you build the transit network first, then add stations to avoid CTD.

RTMT is Road Top Mass Transit. That is exactly what the name says. It is for Roads only and it does work on it's own.

Hopefully this helps.

...New part of a city, and 'dozed the roads first..the tried to put in lr stations.   Then, after a few tiles, that's when things went booboo....quote>

This description implies that you are laying down the track first, then trying to place the stations,...it will not work,...this will CTD.

As for not finding the "draggable" sections, they are not obvious. They are labeled "starter piece" in the transit menu. To use these, you place the "starter piece" for GLR, or Tram, then select the Rail and drag that from the "starter piece". Try that.

Thhbbbt!,...this thread explains all the tricks for using Ground Light Rail and the Tram networks:

GLR & Tram-Avenues Gameplay: Basics & Tricks

That should be very helpful.

[sithlrd98 66]

Not trying to argue but...according to the HP site , the model of computer he has does have an AM2 socket. Yes , I also realize it is a single core , running 64bit instructions for 64 xp, Vista64 ,(some Linux  distros)but emulates a 32 bit environment under 32 bit OS's. I only linked him that , although it is generally used for Dual/Quad cores , just to see if that may work.

Jayson

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Hi all,

Thank you again!  I read that, and NOW I know how ot do it. Sigh.  It is frustrating tho.  Are you sure there is no other stand alone mod (That does NOT require NAM) for a light rail/tram?  With tracks and stations?  That doesnt' crash?  Sigh.  Any modders out there? Up to a challange?

TTFN

[CaptCity 4,684]

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000 ... Are you sure there is no other stand alone mod (That does NOT require NAM) for a light rail/tram?  With tracks and stations?  That doesnt' crash?  Sigh.  Any modders out there? Up to a challange?...quote>

 

Well, this is probably an over-simplified explanation, but...

Since all the various forms of network traffic are intermingled, calculated, and used in the game simulation to determine transportation routes and times, changing just one would, therefore, 'mess up' the others. So, effectively, only one transportation mod can be used, and the NAM is that one. In effect then, all transportation mods need to go 'through' the NAM, which is why there aren't 'independent' ones made. Hope that makes sense...

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: CaptCity

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000 ... Are you sure there is no other stand alone mod (That does NOT require NAM) for a light rail/tram?  With tracks and stations?  That doesnt' crash?  Sigh.  Any modders out there? Up to a challange?...quote>

 

Well, this is probably an over-simplified explanation, but...

Since all the various forms of network traffic are intermingled, calculated, and used in the game simulation to determine transportation routes and times, changing just one would, therefore, 'mess up' the others. So, effectively, only one transportation mod can be used, and the NAM is that one. In effect then, all transportation mods need to go 'through' the NAM, which is why there aren't 'independent' ones made. Hope that makes sense...quote>

 

Yup.  That makes sense.    Sigh again.  I have tried several times now, and I can't seem to get how ot do it without it freezing on me.  Oh well.  I will try it again once I am better at building cities and networks., lol.  Thank you all for your help...guess I am too old to learn TOO many new things at once!

[CaptCity 4,684]

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000 ...guess I am too old to learn TOO many new things at once!quote>

 

I probably shouldn't admit this, but every time a new NAM comes out, I spend at least a day for each network just 'playing' with the new pieces in test cities before I even attempt to use them in a regular city. So don't give up...

If you still have trouble, you might try posting some screen shots so we could get a better idea of what you are attempting to do when crashes occur. Just a thought...

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: CaptCity

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000 ...guess I am too old to learn TOO many new things at once!quote>

 

I probably shouldn't admit this, but every time a new NAM comes out, I spend at least a day for each network just 'playing' with the new pieces in test cities before I even attempt to use them in a regular city. So don't give up...

If you still have trouble, you might try posting some screen shots so we could get a better idea of what you are attempting to do when crashes occur. Just a thought...quote>

 

Heh...I hear y athere. I am never happy  with a city.  Oh well.  Can you recommend any tools?  I would like to try to make my own buildings, maybe add some stuff to the exsisting transportaion...etc.

[north country dude 202]

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000

Heh...I hear y athere. I am never happy  with a city.  Oh well.  Can you recommend any tools?  I would like to try to make my own buildings, maybe add some stuff to the exsisting transportaion...etc.quote>

I hear your pain, man. I've played with this stuff for a long time and there is nothing more frustrating than a CTD after building a bunch of stuff in your city,....save often,...d'oh!

As for creating custom content,...new buildings? or new Lots? Two applications come to mind:

the BAT(Building Architect Tool) and the Lot Editor,...both can be found here. Some people may have better locations, but I don't know any place else at the moment.

Originally posted by: sithlrd98 Not trying to argue but...according to the HP site , the model of computer he has does have an AM2 socket. Yes , I also realize it is a single core , running 64bit instructions for 64 xp, Vista64 ,(some Linux  distros)but emulates a 32 bit environment under 32 bit OS's. I only linked him that , although it is generally used for Dual/Quad cores , just to see if that may work.

Jaysonquote>

Sorry Jayson, my bad, as you can see here, the confusion on my part comes from the fact that the AMD64 3800+ 2.4 GHz comes in both AM2 and 939 sockets. (see #1 and #4 on that page) I have the 939 socket version.

[sithlrd98 66]

No harm,no foul...I had to look at a few sites to make sure. Sometimes I wonder who is in charge of numbering hardware(RAM,CPU's,etc...) cause they really do confuse!

Jayson

[SilverDragon3000 0]

Originally posted by: north country dude

Originally posted by: SilverDragon3000

Heh...I hear y athere. I am never happy  with a city.  Oh well.  Can you recommend any tools?  I would like to try to make my own buildings, maybe add some stuff to the exsisting transportaion...etc.quote>

I hear your pain, man. I've played with this stuff for a long time and there is nothing more frustrating than a CTD after building a bunch of stuff in your city,....save often,...d'oh!

As for creating custom content,...new buildings? or new Lots? Two applications come to mind:

the BAT(Building Architect Tool) and the Lot Editor,...both can be found here. Some people may have better locations, but I don't know any place else at the moment.

Hi again.  Well, I downloaded those programs.  I have not done CAD or anything like that for almost 20 years, so I got lost!   Sheesh.  Ok.  What I meant was....something to modify the EXISISTING buildings and stations...for now.  Play with the textures and colors, etc., to add some pizzaz to my cites.  I see a few monorail stations...and would like to Know how others do it.  Can you load the SC4 buildings into Bat? And if so...how?   Cananyone help with that, or is there yet another program to do that?  I can work on making my own, once I get some practice.

Thanks again, all!

[Haljackey 17,242]

Well there is a new NAM out now which should fix many issues reported.

Click here for info and links.

Enjoy the new March 09 NAM!

Best,

-Haljackey

[dalipardonemoiSim 4]

Hi all,

I've been playing SimCity for about 15 years and love how the game has grown due to player development. I currently have SC4 Rush Hour running on a MacBook Pro OS X 10.5.6 with 2.2 GHz Intel Core Duo and 4 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM.

Several months ago I found the game freezing or crashing on a constant basis which had never happened like this in all my years of playing. The troubles seem to have begun when I updated the Mac NAM.

I've found that the game crashes or freezes when I'm trying to place transit enabled (TE) related pieces. It could be a tunnel from a wall set, ally way or parking lot, any waterfront dock or marina, LGR tram track (but not train stations or bus stops) or nearly any other TE piece.

The game does one of two things; freezes or crashes. Sometimes, when I plop a TE piece the puff of construction smoke and cost appear and it freezes. I have to force quit to get out of the game. Other times, the second I place a TE piece the game instantly crashes to my desktop. I haven't been able to figure out why it freezes sometimes and crashes other times. After that, when I reload, the game will repeatedly crash as soon as my city appears. Restarting my computer helps get the city to load and run.

I don't want to get rid of any of the TE pieces or NAM because they really enhance game playing. While certainly not a fix, I discovered a workaround just this week.

- First, I am constantly saving the game every 5 - 10 minutes but especially right before attempting to use any TE piece.

- Second, I pause the game.

- Next, I bulldozed any road or street that might touch where I want to place a TE piece to go.

- I then place the TE pieces. (I try not to place too many pieces for fear of overloading the game at one time)

- Replace roads and streets.

- Save.

- Shut off the pause feature.

The game usually runs but has crashed or frozen up a few times. Luckily, when I restart, the TE pieces are in the game and functioning

It's certainly not a cure but it keeps me in the game. If anyone has a solution I am certainly all ears!

Good luck!