The GTA4 thread

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Originally posted by: El Burro Naw, she never did, I think she might have been an early version of Kendyl.

Same with the 'Twins' from GTAVC, they were supposed to be Diaz's ho's or something... never appeared in the game though.

Good to the see the old GTA vector artists are still up to scratch though

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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28354.html?r=1&type=wmv

Daaayuum, those are some talented people...quote>

hm... yes, at first sight, it looks like vector graphics... thought the same, but then I took a closer look and saw that it's not vector graphics anymore loke in gta:sa, but a much more detailed graphic I've seen a lot of times already on the web, that can be done with professional drawing programs.

see for yourself:

linkie

[BurroDiablo 222]

Yeah, its acctually been painted this time (instead of vectored like on the SA and VC covers). They haven't totally blended the colours, making the transitions betweens tones quite sharp; it still looks vectored so the art retain the GTA-ness that the last 3 had, while managing to look more realistic than normal GTA cover art.

I knew all those Art essays I wrote at High School and College would come in handy... analyzing GTA cover art!

BTW, notice that bikes name? 'NRG 900 RR'... they must be keeping alot of the old GTA vehicles.

The numberplate on the car is backwards too... what kind of car is that supposed to be anyway... my first thought was a Chrysler 300, but i'm not sure...

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they kept a lot of cars, yes.

as far as I came through screenshots and the videos: landstalker, jester, perennial, blade, savanna, stallion, another sedan (looks the most like nebula or premier, but hard to tell exactly), the yankie (truck), the raindance helicopter (with weapons like the blackhawk gunship) and the maverick. the covertible from the first trailer right at the beginning looks like a super gt, but I'm not sure...

it looks like you can change your clothes. niko wears different clothes in different screenshots and parts of the trailers, and in addition, there's a screenshot with a gangster-like guy wearing Didier Sachs underwear.

Oh, same screenshot (it's inside a bar) shows a pool table and an arcade game, identical to one of the GTA:SA arcade games.

seems like they included minigames in GTA4 aswell. would be cool if that's true

EDIT: the people shown on the art cover are Niko, Lola and the black one Little Jacob. The guy in the lower left isn't mentioned anywhere yet.

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Yeah, I remember hearing that you could change clothes... not yet sure if its a GTA-VC way of changing [walking into an Icon] or a GTA-SA way of changing [going to clothing stores]... you can't change his hair though apparently, but maybe they're thinking of adding it now during this 'extended' development period. It keeps people happy when they can personalize their characters.

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lol, yea it was me who said this in the one mile long text in this thread. you can buy clothes off the shelves and not off the fitting room as in gta:sa

so, getting closer to the (yet undefined) release date:

what are you mainly looking forward to?

for me, apart from the overall look of it (graphics, detailing, atmosphere), it's the humorous, sarcastic, satiric content.

Because I think this is a major aspect of the GTA series since GTA VC.

Most people, unfortunately, only see action gameplay and the more or less dramatic plot. But taking a close, very close look at the game (especially GTA:SA) reveals a whole fireworks of allusions, turning the game into a social satire, maybe THE social satire among videogames.

What gives the game a whole new level. The foreground remains the same: a cool action game, but the background it plays on, the setting, is like ... wow.

After realizing that GTA:SA includes real events (e.g. LA riots incl. their causes) and coming across a few very obvious allusions (e.g. xenophobia/racism in small us villages represented by bars sporting a banner: "locals only, we don't like your type round here!" or even better: advertising on the radio and the content of WCTR) I dug deeper into the material, and the deeper I was digging, the more turned up.

So after a while I came to the conclusion that ppl at the developer team really made their homework to present common parts of social life in a sarcastic way.

If it's done to underline the evil twin of social life and the american dream that guides through GTA:SA or to point out things that are totally going wrong in our everydays interpersonal life is a whole new matter to talk about, but...

well, long story short, it's all the small, sarcastic details that make GTA become a satire behind the veil of an action game that I'm really looking forward to.

A few things have allready appeared in trailers and screenshots... cher vok (jerkoff), e cola (escherichia coli), getalife, etc...

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not long to go now - I can't wait to see the new trailer,

Richard

[BurroDiablo 222]

Apart from the obvious stuff like you mentioned, i'm looking forward to the Radio, especially the Talk Show stations... Chatterbox, VCPR and WCTR all had me in stiches... they still do. Apparently you could call a number to a Rockstar hotline and you could rant about issues into a recorder... if your rant was funny/stupid/angry enough, they'd call you back and ask you if they could use it in the game! That was only in the US though... I think Rockstar NY do all the sound recording and stuff while the game is developed here (Bonnie rainy Scotland) by Rockstar North...

I'm also looking forward to the new Physics engine they're using too... i've always wanted to run over hookers with them satisfyingly ragdoll tumbling over the hood of my car and bouncing off the wind sheild. Acctually, it wouldn't surprise me is the peds you hit go THROUGH the wind sheild... Rockstar is always good when it comes to attention to detail.

The weapons too... looking forward to them. Hopefully theres TONNES of them, since you have a [Latvian?] guy i'd be hoping to be importing some nice Russian weaponary like Makarov Pistol's, RPD's, Mosin Nagant's, DP-27's, SDV's, Skorpion's, OC-14's, AS 'Val''s (Silenced Automatic) TKB Grenade Launcher's... dude, I could go on forever with a list of Ruskie weapons of varying severity that should be in a game like this

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Oh, and the new AK-9 rifle... the bullets from that thing can penetrate any kind of body armour...

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I JUST watched the 3rd trailer for like... the 10th time and im still speechless. very very speechless.

the trailer gives a nice view upon the action in the game. explosions, shootouts, fights... and yet another example of the stunning graphics....

to sum it up in 1 word: WOW

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here's a short conclusion of what the trailer shows off:

people in the streets have umbrellas when it rains

all new damage models (incl damage to the cars roof and different damages for different powers of impact, from minor dents to serious damage)

realistic bullet holes on every surface (the shot surface even looks penetrated, e.g. glass folds in the same direction the bullet passed through it)

awesome explosion effects (not the comic-like look as in previous titles)

detailed interieurs of cars, boats etc

very well done particles and reflections effects

LOADS of details like stickers (even on cars), flyers and posters with readable content... then dust, garbage, flowers, insects, birds, etc

fluent movement animations

and, of course, high poly models and high resolution textures.

It looks like they've invented names for car manufacturers, cuz you can read the letters on the manufacturer symbols on a squadcars hood (unfortunately I cant read the word cuz the particular scene ends before the word is big enough in focus to read it on my crappy 15" antique monitor) also, the cars have modeled labels telling their names (you can clearly read Willard on one of the cars (yet another car they transfered over from GTA:SA to GTA4)

fires burn with smoke (like burning cars in gta:sa never had smoke, now they have)

the guns look awesome. very well modeled, imho they look better than in some of the recent shooters (speaking of the world-models, not the player-models of the weapons)

pendants on necklaces dangle around (especially the big ones the hip-hoppers wear)

people dance around, maybe niko can do it aswell

in general, people are modeled with lots of details, smooth curves, nice faces etc

[BurroDiablo 222]

Not to mention being able to Take Cover behind stuff...

Obviously, Health and Armour won't be as easy to come by unlike the Previous games... if thats the case, should be a good challenge!

The excitement for this game is getting tense... I can barely wait to get myself a PS3 in the next few months before its released...

Oh, and its released in the US first isn't it? Oh well... I won't be on the Internet that week (DON'T SPOIL IT FOR ME!!!)

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I noticed a guy holding a Cup of some sort... people must go buy food/drink from Kiosks, shops and stuff too

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I guess it'll be released in the states a few days earlier than in europe since the standard release day in the states is tuesday and in europe it's about +3 days of the us-release (means around weekend)

you can't imagine how I can't wait any longer to hold gta4 in my hands.

I'm so aroused at the moment, I bet I can't sleep.

(damn, am I a maniac? I feel like high on adrenaline just because of a games trailer(!))

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Wow...This game looks amazing, just the detail on it is enticing me to play it. I just hope that the Gameplay is as good as the graphics...

This, is what is inspiring me to get into game design!

[BurroDiablo 222]

The 2 cars in the Chase are called

Albany (New)

Willard (From GTASA)

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On the Willard (play in slow-mo in WMP) you can see some light frontal damage to the bumper and the head lamp... I think this show's how 'Destructible' the cars are... and I mean, it looks like they are FULLY desructable.

The Cop car, I couldn't pick it up either, the badge was damaged... It looked like 'Valg'... could be 'Vigilante', like the missions, not sure.

[BurroDiablo 222]

By the way... I hope to GOD GTAIV isn't another BETRAYAL story... i mean, look-

GTAIII - 'Claude' betrayed by Catalina and Miguel to begin with

GTAVC- Tommy betrayed by Lance and Sonny Forelli near the end...

GTASA- CJ betrayed by Smoke and Ryder

... even Driver- Parallel Lines had a betrayal story...

If it does have a betrayal story, it better be a small one and not run throughout... I'll get pissed if in the End or half way through his cousin 'Roman' or someone else close ends up betraying him in someway...

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Also...

LCS - Tony and Savlatore were betrayed by the Sicilians

VCS - Vic was betrayed by Martinez and the Mendez Brothers...

Its a total horrible running thing the GTA series has...

PLEASE ROCKSTAR! NO MORE FREAKING BETRAYAL STORYLINES!!!

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I bet there'll be a betrayal storypart. 100%

why?

cuz criminals don't care about friendship or something like that. they just wanna "move up" (pun intended) and with this, they don't care how many dead bodies they walk over, and so friends become obstacles, and people you start working together with sooner or later are nothing but a heavy weight on your shoulders. -> get rid of them

it's kinda the "criminals never can get enough by any means necessary" - moral the game shows in a way that the main character always is the betrayed one, maybe to point out that this exploiting behaviour isn't a good one.

so to say to keep the political correctness in a game full of (satiric) political incorrectness

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I don't want a beloved Character to be the betrayer though

I mean, Lance Vance, Smoke and Ryder... those guys were awesome but Rockstar killed them off, they we're the best characters in my oppinion... obviously, GTAIII was alright because you hated Catalina from the beginning (although, I felt sorry for Miguel being dragged along by that crazy *****, lol), LCS was alright because you didn't really know the 'Sicillians' and VCS was alright because Martinez and the Mendez brothers were total prats too...

I don't want to see Roman, his cousin [ or anyone else close or who shows a large degree of Friendship like Lance did to Tommy and Smoke did to CJ], to be the perp this time... if anybody is going to betray Niko it'll be those guys at the end bit of the 3rd trailer...

'Are you in, or do we have to kill ya?'...

Definitely a betraying persona if you ask me...

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now, IGN has a small, very small, coverage on a few characters you meet in game, all seen in the 3rd trailer, I think.

take a look here

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Well, this game is looking better all the time!

Also, I agree, no more close character betrayals!

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I don't vote yet since I can't really make a choice...

[BurroDiablo 222]

You getting this for the PS3 or 360? I'm torn between the two at the moment... the 360 is getting unique stuff but the PS3 will have graphics to die for... I don't have either console and i've heard horror stories about the 360, also, iv'e played a 360 and the graphics are nasty.  I hope to god we have another Price drop on PS3's before March... its £265 at Amazon at the moment, i'm just hanging on as long as I possibly can before going out and buying one because do doubt if I bought one right now it would be a total waste (since I wouldn't really buy any games for it)

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I'm gonna get it for PS3, since I got one just after the last price drop with an additional 20% off due to a special offer coupon on an open sunday in a local mall in november.

Comparing ps3 and 360 in graphics is a hard work, cuz it depends on the game how it looks. I bought the ps3 since I never was a friend of the xbox. But I know that some games look better on xbox (e.g. nfs-ps)

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I am planning on getting a next-gen console when GTA IV comes out. Can't wait!

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Originally posted by: GMT I'm gonna get it for PS3, since I got one just after the last price drop with an additional 20% off due to a special offer coupon on an open sunday in a local mall in november.

Comparing ps3 and 360 in graphics is a hard work, cuz it depends on the game how it looks. I bought the ps3 since I never was a friend of the xbox. But I know that some games look better on xbox (e.g. nfs-ps)quote>

Yeah I was never a friend of the XBox either... I remember being told the XBox (first one) scratched your game disks. Me and my mates made up a joke that what it was acctually doing was inscribing 'PROPERTY OF BILL GATES' onto your games in microscopic writing...

But yeah, certainly a PS3 for me... i've still got to get a lump of money off people for Christmas so its looking good

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BTW, what i'd like to see in GTAIV is missions (like Bank Jobs) you can reply even after there done, so once you complete the game you still have something to do besides Rampages, Unique stunts ect.

I'd also like to see Realistic Cop chases, similar to those in the Driver games... making it very very hard to shake the police. Acctually, I think thats going to be included since they've done away with the '6 Star' Wanted system and the 'Pay n' Spray'...

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Im wondering how many subtle British Refferances are going to be shoved in there. In SA most of the bridges were Scottish ones and there was British Slang cleverly put on signs and stuff.

Given that (as far as i know) GTA4 is being developed in Leeds (rather than Edinburgh like the older titles) i would expect a couple of Leeds Cameos to appear here and there. Just as SA had the Forth Road and Rail bridges.

Finally i really hope they do a GTA London again, or perhaps one of the other major cities? Its a British Game afterall. Liverpool would be a good map...

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Originally posted by: ILL Tonkso Im wondering how many subtle British Refferances are going to be shoved in there. In SA most of the bridges were Scottish ones and there was British Slang cleverly put on signs and stuff.

Given that (as far as i know) GTA4 is being developed in Leeds (rather than Edinburgh like the older titles) i would expect a couple of Leeds Cameos to appear here and there. Just as SA had the Forth Road and Rail bridges.

Finally i really hope they do a GTA London again, or perhaps one of the other major cities? Its a British Game afterall. Liverpool would be a good map...quote>

I remember on a GTA forum I was part of, the sheer horror and disgust the Americans expelled at even the thought of a GTA being set in Europe...

I think we should come to a comprimise though... including 'Global' destinations would be awesome, in the next GTA they should keep Liberty City and expand it so you can fly to say, a London city lookalike, then in the GTA after that, a Tokyo lookalike, and even after that, a Moscow lookalike... although, we'd probably have a game worth £3000 and coming with 10 Blu Rays by that point... but its worth a shot.

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Well, there's a lot of anti-Xbox stuff going on here! I just go an Xbox 360 for Chirstmas, so thats's hopefully what I'll be playing this on!

El Burro- I like the Global Idea you have there, but as you said, It would take a massive amount of Disc Space, or even several discs...

BTW, does anyone thing it's a bit of a cheat that they changed Liberty City around?

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Originally posted by: Explodingsims

BTW, does anyone thing it's a bit of a cheat that they changed Liberty City around?quote>

I did at first, but then again it is for the best... I mean... it would be very boring driving around the same old Liberty City from GTAIII. GTAIV is a totally different game, it seems like a totally different world compared to the PS2 Trilogy; as Dan Houser said, none of the characters from the Previous GTA games will be making an appearance in GTAIV, bringing the trilogy to a inconclusive close if you ask me... abit like the Matrix, lol. I expect any re-creations of the trilogy cities to be closer to the real thing this time around, and the  main Characters to be more 'Ethnic', as to span out GTA's diversity... no doubt it'll be a long time before we play a white American again, I mean, we they've given us 2 white main Characters, a Black character and now a Russian/Latvian character... next it'll prolly be back to Vice as a Cuban and then to Los Santos as a French Canadian (you never know!)... whatever choice they make though, it'll be the right one

Anywho, think I voted for Gambling... since very early in the game I'd travel to 'Inside Track' in Los Santos and bet on some horses, usually winning myself a tonne of money... not that it helped much since there wasn't much to buy, but still useful later in the game.

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El Burro: Well I guess you make a good point there...But a French-Canadian in Los Santos?

I hope they don't mean ALL characters are gone....They better have Lazlo in there....or else...

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Originally posted by: Explodingsims They better have Lazlo in there....or else...quote>

Oh no, they'd never get rid of Lazlow... considering he's a real guy that helps write the Radio scripts... he's certainly going to return.

First thing I do though when I get the game (besides kill people and jack cars) is find the Talk Station! Chatterbox, VCPR, WCTR... all total masterpieces...

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Me too. I still could die from laughing when I listen to wctr in san andreas. or kchat and vcpr... just as you said, masterpieces.

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Goody, It just wouldn't be GTA without a a nice, funny Talk Station. Man, I loved WCTR....although LCPR wasn't that funny imo...Although that's probbably because ever time I turned to it, It was Nurse Bob...and the program would switch in Mid-Burough loading screens...

But this game would have load screens, so that shouldn't happen. Yay! I wonder what they'll call this talk station...