Global Warming

[Dixie 0]

Good , about time some of the scientests in one of the worlds , if not the worlds largest poluter realised that global warming may be a problem. Global warming is all caused by man made gases, its a very broad term , as is cancer. The man made gases , known as cfc s do not disolve into the atmosphere instead they raise to the highest point in the earths atmosphere known as the ozone layer again  a mixture of gases, the ozone layer stops the gases escaping into space .Now it just so happens that cfc s damage the ozone , punching , or corroding holes in the layer , the effect of weather would be dependant on the earths position to the sun at that time, the ozone reduces the amount of sunlight  that enters the earths atomosphere. If it dissapeared suddenly , we would all perish within a matter of months if not weeks simply things would become to hot for us. But it isnt that bad , we are weakening the ozone with our emmisions, this is what causes global warming . The sun hits the weaker ozone , more light gets through and it becomes warmer, vice verser the ozone damage is facing away from the sun and it becomes colder. this would obviously cause some temprature change and mess with weather paterns , and we can only guess what else,warm sea currents could become cold,and vice versa,also more radiation , and sun related skin cancer. And thats basicaly global warming ,The Man made one.

 Now Mother nature ,well she does what she wants , whenever she wants and no one can stop her.The way things are , or mother nature ,is slighty increasing the distance of the earth from the sun  over time,scientists believe in millions of years to come the earth will move away from the sun enough to stop earth supporting life. Now thats something we can do nothing about , or other natural cycles that may be taking place, again out of our control. So we have natural elements taking place effecting earths weather,look at the ice age , maybe we are still warming up from that , but surely to be warming up we must be moving closer to the sun,the sun warms the planet, maybe the scientist are completely wrong and we are moving closer instead of farther away, how can they realy acurately measure such distance.Ihe ice age sounds logical ,imo because the earth was farther away from the sun , all those millions of years ago, but is infact moving closer to the sun which would explain global warming , and the bibles prediction the the Earth will someday burn in flames.Now i think we owe it to our future genations of millenia to come to investigate Man Made global warming , just to be sure we arnt bringing the day of flames a lot closer with our experimental gases.Ive kept this very broad very open , because it realy is, known of us realy know , we speculate and make conclusions from experiments , anyway just my opinion , this topic was of interest to me.As a final piont , any investagations into global warming should be done by goverment , and the not private companies , with blank National cheques.

[The_Family_Guy 2]

I think that God and global warming shouldn't necessarily be in the same concept.

I need a Bible verse to explain this...but I can't find one relating to global warming. However, Revelations tells of possible nuclear war...the visions of John the Revelator can interpreted in a few different ways.

I've read that there are far more scientists that support global warming than not, though, I'm not sure why anyone would say it's a myth...It's true that it's here, it's just how it will effect the world is the real contraversy.

[Cjah 15]

Originally posted by: coolotter88 This year, el nino is causing the weird weather, not global warming. global warming doesn't act this fast. we need to wait another 30-50 years before we actually see global warming take effect.quote>

 

you see....that statement is very incrorrect...I'm tired of people actaully saying El Nino is behind these freezing temps...back in 97,98...we got record floods and also freak days where it'd actaully be hot....This year in California there was no strong El Nino...it didn't happen as it did in 1998...and even if El Nino did happen half as strong as it did last time....,there'd be alot more rain here in California and no cold temps at all...

Right now technically El Nino started in September 2006, El Nino is currently active(but no rain yet), and is expected to continue into 2007 and I'll tell you living here in Califonia...I have yet to see a flood...just thosands of ruined crops...

[coolotter88 2]

mmkay, but it isn't global warming.

[ExiL3 10]

Yeah, theories are often proven wrong, as Micah says.

From what I have read about this subject;

1. Scientists have more or less agreed on that we do have an impact on the environment.

2. It is uncertain though what the extent of these impacts are (since there are so many theories).

3. We have cut down on methane and NOx polluting gases, but there is still a long way to go.

4. CO2 will still be a rising problem, though this gas is not inflicting nearly as much damage (compared to CO, NOX and equalent gases, Organic and so on...)

Though we have to look to our seas to find out what is going to happen to our climate, since it is the currents which circulates the heat. An other fact is that the seas are the biggest contributor of CO2, and produces some hundreds of thousand times more CO2 than us humans.

Anyway, the most important task we have is to cut down on those chemical, organic and non organic solutions & gases, also NOx, CO and SO2. THEN we can think about making a smaller impact on our planet.

edit: oops forgot O3 !!!

take care,

[Micah 16]

It's true that it's here, it's just how it will effect the world is the real contraversy. quote>

Exactly. I personally believe in Global Warming. It's not hard to tell that humans are messing up the environment. But the iffy part is how will this global warming affect the planet? Most of the younger generation doesn't realize that scientist thought an ice age was to occur in the late 70s... but it didn't happen.

[coolotter88 2]

pass legislation to force cattle owners to bottle methane gas produced by the cows because methane is a taxable product.

[Camaron 1]

Originally posted by: The_Family_Guy It's true that it's here, it's just how it will effect the world is the real contraversy.quote>

 

That is true, I personally think global warming is happening, and also that there is now enough evidence to justify this argument. How global warming would effect the UK itself though has caused a lot of controversy and confusion. Some scientists think it will cause a general rise of temperatures in the UK and give the country a climate like that of the current Mediterranean. However some others are saying it could cause the Gulf Stream to stop or slow down, which would give the UK a much colder climate.

[coolotter88 2]

it would cause to gulf stream to stop because of freshwater from greenland.

[hamsterTK 93]

Capturing methane from cows wouldnt work because cows dont like hoses going up their butt

..joking

actually, that would be interesting if someone found, or has found, a way to recapture methane from animal operations

[coolotter88 2]

we should just attach bags to the cow's anus...then use a vacuum pump to suck the methane out and do whatever to the poo inside.

[UltraGIR XL 3]

    I think [scientists] should conduct an experiment. An experiment in which two identical man-made environments (with equal amounts of plant-life , insects and water), exposed to UV and incandescent light for equal amounts of time. The environments should be enclosed and self-contained, one left to normal stimuli, the other pumped with greenhouse gases.

    Temperature readings should be taken regulalry.

    I do, however, think that Global Warming does affect the weather this year... as my post above explained.

[xiziz 11]

Methane from cattle releases more greenhouse gases than the entire transportation industry anually.

I saw on some teve program that they were developing a vaccine for the cattle, that inhibited them from producing methangas, seems though as their metain producing bactera actually is bad for them(it consumes up to 25% of their energy for making methane). this would probably be costly, but obviously very good for the enviroment.

Untill then i think we will just have to continue to eat the cattle and keep our milk drinking habbits down XD

If the gulfstreem stoped my house would be plunged into enternal winter, more or less, so id rather not we had this whole global warming thingy (may people who drive SUV's die XD). so helping minimising it is to all costs a very, very important matter, no matter how little the gain is, or how uneconomical it is. saving the planet is worth it(yes even if it means walking 150m to the bustop instead of driving...).

(lot of irony in above post... but seriously, global warmers = evil)

[coolotter88 2]

we should eat more cows then.

[neder 1]

Since the russian Taiga produce 2/3rds of the carbondioxide in the world, why don't we just cut it down and replace it with leaved trees?

[coolotter88 2]

Ah whatever, I don't care anymore. the environment can go _____ itself. do we have proof that this gain in greenhouse gases and global warming is caused by humans...no...so why do we care? there's no point in global warming...and our weather is boring here on earth, we need some extreme weather like on planets outside of our solar system.

[neder 1]

actually we do have proof coolotter88. Humans are responsible for about 25% of the emissions of greenhouse gases, mainly carbondioxide. Evergreen trees are responsible for 65-70% and the rest comes from natural fires, volcanoes etc. An increase in greenhouse gases prevent heat from leaving the atmosphere thus making it warmer on earth, this is fact. Tests have been made in labs to show how much global warming we can expect with different levels of increased greenhouse gases, but I have no idea on actual figures of this.

So, there is proof. Trust me, it's very real and humans are responsible for it.

[paperboy15 4]

Originally posted by: neder actually we do have proof coolotter88. Humans are responsible for about 25% of the emissions of greenhouse gases, mainly carbondioxide. Evergreen trees are responsible for 65-70% and the rest comes from natural fires, volcanoes etc. An increase in greenhouse gases prevent heat from leaving the atmosphere thus making it warmer on earth, this is fact. Tests have been made in labs to show how much global warming we can expect with different levels of increased greenhouse gases, but I have no idea on actual figures of this.

So, there is proof. Trust me, it's very real and humans are responsible for it.quote>

 

So if we cut down all the evergreens, I figure we should be alright.

Anyway, numbers pulled out of the air aren't proof....please cite your source(s).

[cogeo 960]

It's ridiculous that some deny that global warning is true. Evidence is the extreme weather phenomena we already see. Estimations on the effect it will have may differ a lot, but the phenomenon IS HERE!

It's impressive to see what the US can do (but does not). Two simple measures could be:

- Improve car efficiency. Promote use of smaller cars and smaller (and more efficient) engines. This will also save consumets a lot of $.

- Build newer power plants. Many US coal-fired power plants date back to before WWII and they are considered as very inefficient, literally coal wasters. It is estimated that building modern coal power plants could save enough coal to power Japan!

[coolotter88 2]

I didn't deny global warming, I merely asked for third party, neutral, statistics that actually prove humans are the cause of global warming.

[CitySim123 0]

Haha.... The hottest ever recorded years were in the LAST 14 years... polar bears can't find ice and are drowning, ice shelves the size of Rhode Island are suddenly cracking apart...Glacier National Park is gonna soon be called There Used to Be Glaciers Here National Park...Hurricanes are getting stronger...record tornadoes in 2005... the hottest year ever recorded, 2005...it is hotter now than it ever has been in the last 650,000 years, you call that natural?! Who else is causing it.. bunny rabits?

[coolotter88 2]

but do you have statistics that say humans caused it? you can't just say "the globe is heating up thats not natural" if instead the world was cooling down instead of warming up, would that be unnatural?

[UltraGIR XL 3]

Originally posted by: coolotter88 but do you have statistics that say humans caused it? you can't just say "the globe is heating up thats not natural" if instead the world was cooling down instead of warming up, would that be unnatural?quote>

It's the time it's taking, though.

All of this heating (or, in an opposite scenario, cooling) should take some twenty times slower than it is.

The fact that the world's temperature has increased since the Industrial Revolution as quickly as it has shows some sort of direct relation to human activity.

[CitySim123 0]

In the last 650,000 years the carbon dioxide has never gone as high as it is today, that of course, comes from our factories, vehicles, and natural causes such as forest fires, which are becoming more frequent due to man-made causes. Scientific facts prove, that when the carbon dioxide goes up, the temperature goes up. As the temperatures go up, natural disasters are stronger, heat waves are more common, there is more drought and at the same time more flooding. You can't tell me you don't notice the difference. The Earth doesn't one day decide it wants to raise its temperature and intensify its storms. Our civilization is destroying its only home, Planet Earth and we have to do something about it or we will in the next 50 years or less face major consequences.

[coolotter88 2]

all of a sudden, citysim123 becomes an environmental activist...REALLY!!! I just thought it was funny since you had a pretty generic avatar/signature before.

but do you have any charts? what scientific facts? so far, you've only said, it's happening "too fast" and some made up scientific "facts"...LINKAGE NOW!

[plus01 0]

What really pisses me off is how people who deny global warming have no legitimate reason other than greed "aka to keep the factories running," whereas those who have identified that humans are the cause of global warming are doing so to save ourselves from destroying our planet.

[neder 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

I'll make a proper reply later on

[CitySim123 0]

Actually i was planning on this, its just this forum made me want to make the signature and stuff now.. so ha. ANYWAY go to climatecrisis.org its about a movie called An Inconvient Truth which would change anybody's mind about global warming, the site also talks about global warming and what we can do to stop it. For you anti-global warming people I can't explain every little detail and show you every single chart. But the charts show temperatures are going up, carbon dioxide is going up, storm intensity is going up, melting of ice like Antarctica and Greenland are rapidly increasing. There are so many things I could tell you but that would take way too long, so believe it.

[baystatebill 2]

You can't say that if someone doesn't believe in global warming they are greedy adn want to keep factories open. There are just as many scientist that don't believe global warming is as significant as there are that believe it is. Global Warming makes a nice doomsday news clip. Many climatologist believe that weather patterns are changing, which is normal and have occurred in the past. The claims that Hurricanes are more numerous and stronger than ever. Researching past tropical storm history will show patterns when we had numerous strong storms over stretches of 10 to 20 years, then we have periods where there are very few and weaker storms. Researching Hurricanes will also show we only have about 50 years of acurate information. Prior to weather satelites many storms went undetected. Whose to say that in 1700 there weren't 35 Hurricanes and 5 of them met category 5 status? No one can say so. Same with the warming of the earth. Whose to say this isn't a pattern. Where is the records to show what weather occurred 10,000 years ago. There is none. All the weather data we have has been gathered in the last 150 to 200 years. Before that it was mosly a guess as there were no accurate measurements and records. Many Global Warming scientist can't even agree what will hapen. I live in Boston, some say that we will have a climate similar to the Southeast soon, others say we will be in an ice age, all due to Global Warming.

[spa 968]

It's not the temperature fluctuation that is strange (the Earth's climate fluctuates over time) it's the exceedingly short time period that it's happening in that is alarming and this climate change correlates strongly to the rise of industrial economies. Given the science and the apparent cause and effect it would be quite the coincidence if the two weren't related.

That said, even if the warming isn't being caused by human activity, can we really risk being wrong here? Consider the scenario in which we do nothing. If global warming doesn't exist and we do nothing we carry on until we run out of available resources (the economic adjustment is simply delayed) and if global warming is real we have to deal with catastrophic disasters the world over. It's all or nothing here. In the scenario in which we act however risks are mitigated. If we act and global warming doesn't exist then we have endured some short-term economic pains earlier than we otherwise would have (we're going to have to change one way or the other since we're not making more oil) or if global warming does exist we avoid the worst disasters. Given the cost of being wrong is catastrophic in the do nothing scenario versus annoyance in the act scenario it seems clear to me that we need to act. Doing nothing is inherently more risky and a gamble not worth making!