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Originally posted by: krbe Originally posted by: tommygunn Faith does not belong in science. There is a difference between blind faith and acting on something you think might be true by conducting scientific experiments. 50's rocket scientists didn't have 'faith' that humankind would eventually make it to the moon, they calculated the risk of making the trip, based on the distance, and their confidence in the technology that they had available to them at the time, and their knowledge that technology would certainly improve in the future, and concluded that it was indeed a possibility. Faith is based on nothing, that's the idea of faithquote> faith — [feyth] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation - noun 1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability. 2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact. 3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims. 4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty. 5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith. 6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith. 7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles. 8. Christian Theology. the trust in God and in His promises as made through Christ and the Scriptures by which humans are justified or saved. - Idiom 9. in faith, in truth; indeed: In faith, he is a fine lad. Regarding rocket science, both 1 and 2 apply: They trusted their hypothesis, which would be substantiated once the rocket made it to the moon. Without faith, all scientists can just give up: The purpose of science is to prove what we earlier just could believe. Take flying: Without people beliving that it would be possible to build flying machines, wouldn't the Wright brothers have faith in their abilities and machine and have made the first machine powered flight.quote> I have faith in the fact that you went through too much trouble here

Faith does not belong in science. There is a difference between blind faith and acting on something you think might be true by conducting scientific experiments. 50's rocket scientists didn't have 'faith' that humankind would eventually make it to the moon, they calculated the risk of making the trip, based on the distance, and their confidence in the technology that they had available to them at the time, and their knowledge that technology would certainly improve in the future, and concluded that it was indeed a possibility. Faith is based on nothing, that's the idea of faith

Yes, but my point was more about 'faith' than 'evidence'. I mean the fact that they have this epic story that apparently sums up the entire universe and its origins, and was writtin directly from the word of god, it would probably seem more believable to me if, after all that they present to you as evidence, they didn't have this concept called "faith", where you're supposed to believe in it no matter what else you see or hear. No matter what doubts you may have. I believe in evolution because the way it was told to us was different. You can choose to read about science and, for a lot of us, we are force-fed religion from the time we're a day old. although science is taught in public schools, and religion is typically not, i have never been told by a science teacher that my body is comprised of cells and if i dont believe that i'll burn and suffer for eternity after i die. Religion is like the insecure, uneducated one of two people having an argument, and so therefore must begin shouting and threatening because they're running out of ideas, and Science the calm, logical one, who just wants to know what is true, even if they turn out to be incorrect, which is what makes me trust Science a lot more easily.

The Christian Bible isn't the first written account of a creator God. There are several earlier written works, claiming to be the word of the "one true creator", which belong to religions that have since been abandoned and are mostly regarded as false. Actually, if you do research into ancient Egyptian religion, there are overwhelming similarities, and a case can be made to suggest the real possibility that the basis for the entire Biblical story was ripped off of the Egyptians. It is simply a story, written by men to be used as a tool for controlling the population, and the evidence littered throughout the pages. If you read Genesis, it seems to be written from an earthly perspective, rather than from the mind of an all-knowing, all-powerful creator deity.. And Christians will defend this by saying that God is far too complex for us to comprehend, so we can not fully understand his written word, and you must have faith. Faith is probably the worst argument for Christianity. Any story that requires you to blindly believe despite any and all doubts you may ever have, regardless of anything EVER, cannot be true. To even bring up the idea of "faith" suggests that even the people who WROTE the Bible knew that there was no REAL evidence that any rational person could ever conclude to be valid, for if there were even one microbe of legitimate evidence to back it up, there would be no need for "faith". Science has never asked us to just "believe". Archaeologists have actually discovered artifacts that you can SEE and TOUCH that literally PREDATE Christianity. Is there really a need for any more evidence against it? It's virtually impossible to deny that kind of stuff. If you are a mature adult, and you claim to believe in the Bible and creationism, you are simply kidding yourself. That's the bottom line. ...... ........ ...... ........ ...... IIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOO sorry, thanks, peace

Yeah.. wow. It is currently 2:39 a.m. where i am right now. I read this entire thing without checking the time once.. And I believe this single CJ has changed the way i look at SC4 as a whole. I see that Lewellan hasn't been on here in like a year, and i wish i had been around when this was active. You can actually feel the excitement as you read through. It's almost like Lewellan was a celebrity its friggin weird.. I wanna make somethin like this eventually but i know it wouldn't compare :S