New Baltimore

[rushman5 33]

Hello all.  This is my fourth CJ, and it will be my best!  I am re-creating a region +-based-+ on the City of Baltimore.  I will be postin pics this friday, but a little backround on Baltimore-----

 

Baltimore is a large, Harbor City based around the Patapsco river, a branch off the Chesapeke Bay.  The highest population was in 1950 (I believe) at 965,718.  Now the population is around 600,000, and rising rapidly.  After a huge economic decline in the city and the huge tr=hrust of bussinesses into the suburbs, the people soon followed.  This grew the Metropolitain area into 5 counties, with rural-suburban areas still increasing.  However with the redevlopment of the Inner Harbor, the construction of many large residential hihg-rises, and the completion of many Civic buildings in th 80's and 90's has the poulation rising.  As well as the huge population boom in the outer rim of the Mettro area.  This has forced new families into the innercity area.  Anyway, enough with my rambling about absolutly nothing, lets get on with sonm basic pictures of stuff I will +-basing-+ New Baltimore on!!!

 

The Metro area

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Downtown looking south

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Just north of downtown

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Just south of downtown

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[Equilibria 16]

Nice start, and I'm looking forward to seeing where your real world inspiration takes you. I would reccomend, however, that you not let the real life Baltimore take over your work. If you build a personal style, this City Journal will be great. Good Luck.

[rushman5 33]

Oh no, it will just inspire me to make the city better than it is, after all, it is in my backyard!

[Morieris 0]

I know you shouldnt recreate Baltimore exactly, but would you please, please find someone to BAT the Baltimore shot tower for your CJ? I've been trying to bat this building for awhile with no success.. A bunny for you and a bunny for O'Malley! No bunnies for Ehrlick.

[pistolvaniasfinest610 0]

Yeah, cuz if you do recreate Baltimore completely then it will look like that show The Wire, on HBO. Not how you would want a city.

[1dera3 28]

Date: 2/2/2006 8:48:36 PM
Author: pistolvaniasfinest610
Yeah, cuz if you do recreate Baltimore completely then it will look like that show The Wire, on HBO. Not how you would want a city.

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Uhh... I don't really know how you would put this in SC4...

The CJ sounds interesting... but the real population of Baltimore is somewhere around 2 or 3 million, I think. I live just south of it, outside of DC (Washington).

[CDI_spy 5]

Hey!  I've always like the feel that the name Baltimore gives you, as if it's a coastal city with lots of class and history, but modernized.   Not sure if anyone else felt about the city that way... I've never been to it or see pictures of it that much so I wouldn't know...  That downtown shot is what I expected!   Looking great, can't wait to see your pics! 

[brtim2 10]

Holy crap people. Lots of misconceptions going around.

 

Baltimore City is about 600,000 people with the metro area (seperate from D.C's although they are intertwined) at something close to 6 million people. I think.

 

And yes, Baltimore is just like the city they show on The Wire and on Homicide. All of Baltimore is like that, do not let anything else full you. Full of drugs and heroin and crack babies. There are no good parts. Nothing. Do not let those lies about the Inner Harbor full you. It isn't what it is all cracked up to be.

 

And Baltimore is not a coastal city. It is on the water, but it is based around the Patapsco River on the Chesapeake Bay, a good three hours from the coast. In fact it loses some port business because it is not a Norfolk or New York right close to the ocean.

 

And I think it is good someone else on these boards likes the Baltimore (and supposedly Philly) style of blocks upon blocks of rowhouses. I was once told on here that I should stop the monotonous look of rowhouses, even though that is what I grew up around and have admired. So I hope that is what your city looks like, because that is what I am looking for in a Baltimore inspired city.

[pistolvaniasfinest610 0]

Date: 2/2/2006 9:33:07 PM Author: brtim2

Holy crap people. Lots of misconceptions going around.

Baltimore City is about 600,000 people with the metro area (seperate from D.C's although they are intertwined) at something close to 6 million people. I think.

And yes, Baltimore is just like the city they show on The Wire and on Homicide. All of Baltimore is like that, do not let anything else full you. Full of drugs and heroin and crack babies. There are no good parts. Nothing. Do not let those lies about the Inner Harbor full you. It isn't what it is all cracked up to be.

And Baltimore is not a coastal city. It is on the water, but it is based around the Patapsco River on the Chesapeake Bay, a good three hours from the coast. In fact it loses some port business because it is not a Norfolk or New York right close to the ocean.

And I think it is good someone else on these boards likes the Baltimore (and supposedly Philly) style of blocks upon blocks of rowhouses. I was once told on here that I should stop the monotonous look of rowhouses, even though that is what I grew up around and have admired. So I hope that is what your city looks like, because that is what I am looking for in a Baltimore inspired city.

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Yeah, they are tons of rowhouses in Philly and in Allentown where I live, it's pretty much just blocks and blocks of rowhouses, in fact I live in one.  Every like 5-10 blocks there are midrise apartments surrounded by more rowhomes. 

[jspero 2]

Date: 2/2/2006 9:33:07 PM
Author: brtim2
And yes, Baltimore is just like the city they show on The Wire and on Homicide. All of Baltimore is like that, do not let anything else full you. Full of drugs and heroin and crack babies. There are no good parts. Nothing. Do not let those lies about the Inner Harbor full you. It isn't what it is all cracked up to be.

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You've got that right! Baltimore - The City That Reads (on a third grade level). The Inner Harbor area is great, but once you leave that area (by one block in most cases), it's a scum hole. I live northwest of B-more and work near D.C. I get in there all the time. Just about any place inside 695 is scary terriory, at least on the west and south sides. Up north isn't as bad around GBMC and St. Joe's, but that's not saying much. We make up for that with Reisterstown, though. Good luck getting that Dundalk feel, hon.

You should get Simgoober's NIMBY lots and use them in abundance. I was able to get my first ever in-game riot after about 1 year when one of my new developments became overrun with these. I was pretty cool.

Jay

[rushman5 33]

Wow, lots of B'more haters!  Yes, I know the inner city area is kinda bad, but did you know that *ding* the city is on a huge comeback???  I don't exacly agree with that the city is all bad, and the city pop is only 600,000 or so.  2-3 mil. is the metro area, not within the city limits.  Man, I have to walk outside and take some 'real' pics for y'all.  Shoo, anyway, I am updating this New Baltimore as a city BASED on Baltimore, not really the real thing.  Final comments before pics---

Morieris:  no, i can't fing a shot tower, and spinnaker Bay would be cooler huh?? *Democrat*  ha, JK!

brtim2: The inner harbor isn't a joke, just Harborplace (look it up man)

jspero: yeah, we may read on a 3rd grade level, but our grad. rate is higher than DC!

 

To all further comments:  Lay off Charm City!  I don't wanna hear it.  Not here at least.  If you really wanna flame B'more, PM me. I'd be happy to oblidge. . .

Now then-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and i'll throw in a 'teaser' for the Convention center/Light street area-

 

 

And I know there in't a monrail line in real-life, it just adds character. 
for me!

-Rushman

[brtim2 10]

Only because you brought it up, I shall have to say it. My comments about the Inner Harbor were a joke. I tried to throw in hyperbole, but apparently it still didn't weigh it down enough to keep from going over your head. I only said what I said because it was an attempt to make what Pistolvaniasfinest610 sound completely ridiculus. You can't base a city on a TV show or a movie. In fact I tried to do that with Spiderman 2 and I kept looking for the El-Train in NYC. Never saw it.

I want to make it clear I am not a 'Baltimore-hater.' I love Baltimore, if I had the money I would buy a rowhouse shell on the outskirts of Fed Hill/Little Italy/Fells Point/Pigtown and remodel the inside and live there. I may be from the country (read: Carroll County) but I would love to live in the midst of a revitalized neighborhood.

And to those that say Baltimore is bad one block from the Harbor, c'mon, that's a joke. Dude, you're only safe if your in sight of the water. Lose the water and you better watch your back. I've walked north of Mt. Vernon square and nothing happened to me. I've driven through West Baltimore (only place in Baltimore worse than that is East Baltimore) at midnight and nothing happened to me. (And by drive I mean I criss-crossed through the rowhouse lined streets, not drove through it on 40.) It wasn't the smartest thing to do, but I did it anyway. Saw a lot of characters.

And c'mon jspero you live nearby, you shouldn't kick a slogan they don't use anymore. That was an earlier time. Now it's Believe (or Bleed, depending on who you ask).

And to Rushman, you certainly got the wall to wall character of the city in there. That's the only problem I have with this game though, there are no low-wealth single family rowhouses. The same building in Chicago that would hold two families holds one family in Baltimore. So in order to get the look of Baltimore I've always had to raise the wealth to Medium, even though it's not the demographics of Baltimore.

And there is a monorail in the planning stages for the Baltimore area. They would certainly be working on it now if we had gotten the 2012 games.

[rushman5 33]

Thank you for your honest opinion.  And don't take your criss-srossing adventures to Cherry Hill-the only guarenteed to see a drug deal neighborhood.  Have fun on your adventures, and the Monorail is planned, but not around the bottom of Federal Hill.  Speaking of which, I forgot one 'teaser' pic-

It's not Federal Hill, but the row of houses that look like the row off of the eastside of 895, but are located here in NW along SIM-83, the SimFalls Exprswy.

[jspero 2]

OK. I'll lay off the B-more bashing. Looking forward to more pics of your city. It looks like its getting off to a good start.

Jay

[Mikeaut1 261]

Wow, looks great. I love these types of journals, where you try to recreate an area. I like your introduction to the journal too, with the RL pictures. I love Baltimore, its such a great city. Can't wait for more!

[Dave The Hokie 0]

kinda slummy

 

 

 

[profecy 2]

Baltimore is very slummy, i heard.....

[rushman5 33]

Thanks you all, and I do need some for advice other than looks slummy  Thanks & keep up the comments.

[dfnva 34]

I like the slummy look to things. To increase the slummy nature of an area I tend not to place schools/police departments, encourage dirty industry, etc. I also liked the pic with the big parking lot, is that supposed to be Camden Yards and the football stadium?

Unlike I-83, Maybe you could complete SIM-83 all the way to SIM-95 (where all the ghost ramps are in Real life).

 

Anyhow, good luck, and eager to see more.

 

Dan

[rushman5 33]

Hate to dissapoint you, but the gohst ramps aren't on I-95 or I-83, they are on the proposes I-170

The freeway is about 3/4 of a mile, and is used, a lot in fact.  And yes, it is in New BAltimore.  I'll explain more in-detail if you PM me.  And if anyone else wants any answers to B'more questions PM me and I'll be happy to answer them willingly and quickly!  Continue comments please!

[JaneJacobs 1]

I love Baltimore. Well, I've only actually been there once. But I liked it. Also, I live in St. Louis, and I see a lot of similarities between the two cities, in good and bad things. A lot of cities would kill for the housing stock we have -- housing stock that is going to waste and detiorating in parts of both cities.

And I love The Wire and Homicide and The Corner while realizing that no city can be summed up in what one TV show chooses to look at.

Looking forward to seeing more of your creation.

[Nexis 1]

i'll keep an eye on this one, because i like Baltimore!!!

[ravens 0]

Wow! It's Nice to see someone doing a CJ on my hometown!

[rushman5 33]

Ok, now we are going to see the good end of New BAltimore

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[fivedayrental 0]

i like the nice part of baltimore

9.9/10

[rushman5 33]

Thanks for the kind rating- even thought there in no poll/

[Shadow Assassin 336]

That downtown's well-done, indeed. It's very varied. Keep it up.

[Mikeaut1 261]

Wow, wonderful work!! It looks great! nice downtown!!

[scba 179]

Sweet, you've got my tower in there. I've been messing around with the idea of making Camden Yards for a while...I think it's just out of my range. One of my next things will be the Baltimore WTC, so look for that, then...Ripken Stadium maybe?

 

And I SWEAR that I have seen this thread on a completely different message board before. Am I nuts?

[Fabiocb 1]

great start, the project looks really cool and the night shots are awesome.