Weird bug (or feature) with mass transit

[ewd 1]

So i added a passenger and car ferry, then added a bus stop in front of it. Everything is normal, all peds took the bus, road getting congested, income from mass transit getting doubled as you can see here

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But then, since the road getting congested, i replaced the bus stop with subway. the subway has the same amount of usage as the bus stop, but the income from mass transit didn't get increased. And looks like the problem is from the ferry, it only has few hundreds usage.

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Don't know what to do now, whats your guys opinion? currently on El Capitan and using NAM 36

[CorinaMarie 29,574]

The first thing I wonder is if the Sims now have jobs they can get to elsewhere via the subway and so no longer need to take the ferry.

Edit: Since your question prolly isn't specific to running the game on a Mac, I'm moving this over to the General Discussion where more peeps will see it.

[jeffryfisher 2,176]

How long did you run the simulation after demolishing the bus stop? It might take a year or two to recalculate routes and display accurate stats.

Try also looking at the volume display of the traffic map. It can be more informative than the congestion display.

[ewd 1]

17 hours ago, jeffryfisher said:

How long did you run the simulation after demolishing the bus stop? It might take a year or two to recalculate routes and display accurate stats.

Try also looking at the volume display of the traffic map. It can be more informative than the congestion display.

I did speed up the game before taking the vid, i even left it for long time when i tried to figure out what was the problem, i know it will still show blue arrow when using route query tool after demolishing the bus stop for a while.

And not sure what are you trying to analyze more but here it is (i remade it again and got the same result)

 

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23 hours ago, CorinaMarie said:

The first thing I wonder is if the Sims now have jobs they can get to elsewhere via the subway and so no longer need to take the ferry.

Edit: Since your question prolly isn't specific to running the game on a Mac, I'm moving this over to the General Discussion where more peeps will see it.

the thing is, there is only 1 ferry so all commuters there came from other city, and there is only 1 subway line (from ferry to rail station)

 

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[CorinaMarie 29,574]

@ewd

I did some testing and I'm convinced it is indeed a bug in the game.

I set it up in such a way to eliminate as many potential variables as possible. Here I started with two newly created city tiles with the only transportation between them being via the ferry. I went back and forth between them several times to build them up to a significant number of ferry passengers.

Side by side city tiles:

 

Incoming from the Workers tile are 10,230 Sims with 8,133 jumping off the boat and catching a bus:

 

Total income from mass transit is $1,403:

 

In the Workers city tile there are 10,232 ferry passengers. (The numbers don't exactly match due to slight fluctuations in population.)

 

Now back to the Jobs city and I've replaced all bus stations with subway:

 

Run a few years and suddenly it is only counting the ferry passengers as those who drive off of the boat:

 

Total fares have dropped to $789:

 

I wondered if it mattered that they go on the ferry in the Workers city by riding the bus and then changing to the subway when they disembarked so I replaced all the bus stations in the Workers city with subway too:

 

Only a minor change there in the number sailing to work:

 

However, it's still borked in the Jobs city:

 

[ewd 1]

On 4/26/2019 at 5:46 PM, CorinaMarie said:

@ewd

I did some testing and I'm convinced it is indeed a bug in the game.

O wow, much thanks for the effort

i wonder whether there is a way to fix this or not, since its pretty frustating

[rsc204 21,806]

I would doubt it's something that could be easily rectified with modding. Everything thus falls into two categories, data in properties that we can edit/override or code in the core game, which we can't edit. Anything that's part of the code is pretty much off limits, although its possible to circumvent that, the realities of doing so mean it simply isn't likely to happen.

I'm looking into the issue from the other perspective, to see if maybe some transit switch modifications might alter this behaviour. If I get anywhere with that I'll report back, but I don't have a huge amount of time to dedicate to this right now.

[CorinaMarie 29,574]

2 hours ago, rsc204 said:

I'm looking into the issue from the other perspective, to see if maybe some transit switch modifications might alter this behaviour.

This idea enticed me to give it a whirl.

Here I modded the Car and Passenger Ferry to also have bus station properties adding a Transit Switch Point (along with Transit Switch Entry Cost and Trans Switch Traffic Capacity). There is no bus or subway station by the Ferry, but I did add a bus stop further up the avenue as shown:

^ And sure enough they ride the bus directly from the Ferry and there is now Ferry traffic. However, this doesn't gain anything over having a bus stop adjacent.

 

Then I re-modded the Ferry with subway properties instead of bus and although that works we lose the Ferry traffic again so no different than having the Subway Station adjacent:

 

I don't mind doing the testing, but I'm out of ideas for what else to change on the Ferry. Perhaps I could add Outside-to-Inside Ride Bus to the subway station, but I'm guessing that wouldn't help unless the Ferry is a bus station too and then it's no different than just having a bus station next to the ferry.