CAM or SPAM?

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

Which do you find best for growing your region? I've got a large one I'm starting & want to do the areas designated for farms & small towns first. Then I'll work on the urban areas. I was planning on using the SPAM since that is specific for farming. Then uninstalling it, putting in the CAM once I start working on the metropolis.

 

Any suggestions?

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

I'm guessing I posted this in the wrong subforum or that nobody uses either mod?

[Compdude787 916]

I don't use the CAM, so I don't know. Many people on ST don't use this mod; it would be better if you asked on SC4 Devotion's forums because there are more people there that use the CAM and they would be better able to help you.

[ROFLyoshi 1,760]

Haha, you kinda did (don't worry I have moved it for you, you should get more interest now).

To me, I wasn't sure if they were incompatible, as SPAM changes farms whereas CAM changes growth stages. However I do know that there is an optional traffic mod in SPAM that is most definitely INCOMPATIBLE with the NAM.

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

Thanks for the help. I wasn't planning on using the traffic options from SPAM. NAM definitely takes care of what I need in that area.

 

I posted on tropolis cause I wanted a neutral field. Plus, I figure there is more activity here so that I can get some answers.

[Ganaram Inukshuk 906]

There's an ongoing misconception that CAM is too complicated to use or that it's too much work to download, and it really isn't. CAM can work straight out of the package, with practically almost nothing else; what happened over the years is that the CAM got perceived as a modpack of hundreds of different buildings; think of the CAM as a base mod in which other plugins can get added in as needed. The best analogy I can think of is Minecraft Forge, the official unofficial Minecraft modding API that hundreds of other mods rely on to work, so think of the CAM as an API.

 

I have a beef against using SPAM because of how oversimplistic it is; I'm the kind of person who would want to go directly towards complexity. Besides, if you want the SPAM farms as well, there are CAMpatible versions of most of the SPAM farms. (I don't have any of the links right now, sorry.)

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I think the last word I saw on this is that both CAM and SPAM can operate together, but you have to be careful what sub-packs you add.

 

I dropped CAM some time ago because I felt it didn't do anything for me.  8 levels is a great plenty when I could care less about massive CBDs.  I do keep the SPAM because it fits in with my rural preferences, especially the seasonal farms.

 

However, everyone to his own taste.

[Ganaram Inukshuk 906]

I think the last word I saw on this is that both CAM and SPAM can operate together, but you have to be careful what sub-packs you add.

They really don't go together all that well, and even then one other person and myself found odd population numbers; the only good way to get both to work is if you strip the SPAM down to the bare bones and remake it from the ground up in a CAMcentric fashion.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Thanks for that.  Too much like work for me.  I'll stick to my present stuff with NAM and SPAM.  Some people like to play with the innards of things, but I've retired from all that.

[dirtguru 24]

I use SPAM in a huge region consisting of all large citytiles. No problems growing large cities at all. My largest city, Dalkieth consists of six large citytiles with a total population of 740000 of which only two contain farms. At this time the citytile actually named Dalkieth contains over 300000 Sims. There have never been any farms in this tile and I believe demand is normal for a primarily commercial area. In fact all of the Dalkieth citytiles except for the two that contain agriculture have never had any farms on them. There is no longer any agricultural demand on any city tiles that don't contain farms. 

My region also contains two other large cities containing roughly 350000 and 110000 Sims respectively, in addition to a large number of smaller cities and villages scattered along three separate transportation corridors. I have vast areas of farmland as well as entire large tiles consisting of nothing more than trees.

The only thing I have noticed is that residential demand remains very high throughout my region but, high residential demand does not gaurantee  residential growth. 

[NCGAIO 562]

In another side the same opinion !
 
 
  - SPAM & CAM compatible?

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

So SPAM farms will not grow w/the CAM mod & the CAM bldgs will not grow w/the SPAM mod. Correct?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Not without some TLC, but they will sort of.  This is really a case of do you want a huge urban population or a rural one.

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

Not without some TLC, but they will sort of.  This is really a case of do you want a huge urban population or a rural one.

Both. Like I said some, tiles are earmarked for a country area, others for metropolis areas. I'm doing the rural territories 1st.

 

Research shows me there is a bug in the CAM. Has that been fixed in the current download? (https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=14574.0)

[NCGAIO 562]

So SPAM farms will not grow w/the CAM mod & the CAM bldgs will not grow w/the SPAM mod. Correct?

You read the link above?

Research shows me there is a bug in the CAM. Has that been fixed in the current download? (https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=14574.0)

Not and will never be, you should follow the instructions on topic

to make the correction.

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

 

So SPAM farms will not grow w/the CAM mod & the CAM bldgs will not grow w/the SPAM mod. Correct?

You read the link above?

Research shows me there is a bug in the CAM. Has that been fixed in the current download? (https://www.sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=14574.0)

Not and will never be, you should follow the instructions on topic

to make the correction.

 

Read the link after I posted.

 

The fix sounds complicated for me. I'll try to follow it to the letter. I think I'm going to stick w/the CAM.

[NCGAIO 562]

The fix sounds complicated for me. I'll try to follow it to the letter. I think I'm going to stick w/the CAM.

It is not difficult but the first thing to following is make a back up SimCity_1.dat because if you do something wrong will need it.

[Turjan 1,048]

So SPAM farms will not grow w/the CAM mod & the CAM bldgs will not grow w/the SPAM mod. Correct?

 

SPAM farms tend to outgrow the CAM farms, but you will get a few of the latter in less developed regions. SPAM doesn't touch commercial or residential sectors.

 

Or in other words: while demand in certain fields (industry) and job numbers are a bit screwed up if you use both together, the practical implications are not really a problem.

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

 

The fix sounds complicated for me. I'll try to follow it to the letter. I think I'm going to stick w/the CAM.

It is not difficult but the first thing to following is make a back up SimCity_1.dat because if you do something wrong will need it.

 

I'm not exactly NEO Anderson. Not that good around a keyboard. That's why I'm going to take my time w/each step & follow it to the letter.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Caution is the watchword here.  Keep a backup of the original file, and take backups at each stage.  Take your time, and do it right the first time.

[J0nnD0ugh 31]

I think I did it right. I made a copy of the simcity dat file & saved it though.