Punk Rock

toxicpiano · August 22, 2006

Hello. Green day are not punk. Neither are good Charlotte nor Blink 182. I would not count the Clash as punk either because their songs have nothing to with anything to do with punk. They have been known to do country music for God sake. SEX PISTOLS!!!111

gurrgkud · August 22, 2006

Originally posted by: Barbarossa gurrgkud: I saw your question about hating mainstream... I can speak for your target audience, but, personally, I find that most mainstream music is juvenile. For some reason, the "masses" tend toward stupidity and their interest in music is only what they are told is good. This leads to a problem. The only "popular" bands are those that are supported by their record company (aka, they pay the radio station to play the song). This is a simple fact. Radio stations tend to only play what they are BEING PAID TO PLAY.

I do not doubt that there are numerous "mainstream" bands that are good. Sadly, I can't think of any at the moment (at least, current bands).

However, as you know (given previous messages I have seen from you), there is a multitude of great bands that have never seen the light of day because they are on record labels that have no weight. Bands like Mushroomhead, Pitchshifter, Cop Shoot Cop (now defunct), Firewater, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, and Clutch (my obvious favorite, hence my avatar), just to name a few.

I think this is why many people disregard mainstream... it all ties into a deep-seated dislike of what is popular.

Barbarossaquote>

I completely see your point.

I know that there's a lot of mainstream that is "juvenile" and ignorant, but there's also a lot of good bands out there that are mainstream (in my opinion).

What i hate is people saying that they hate mainstream just to sound "cool" because they are oh-so-mighty "rebellious."

I think both mainstream and underground have its ups and downs, and people just need to expand their minds, and just filter out the bad things and keep what they like, not caring about mainstream or underground.

EDIT: BTW, what do you guys count as mainstream? like, how far up the ladder do they have to be?

____----____ · August 23, 2006

anyone remember when AFI was good hardcore punk like black sails and earlier?

man do they suck now

Barbarossa · August 23, 2006

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Edited September 7, 2012 by Barbarossa

The Terminator · August 23, 2006

AFI is a prefect example of what going "mainstream" is. like said before, changing the style, disenfranchising original fans, and signing to a major, for one reson, to SELL RECORDS, and MAKE MONEY. as Aleking said, AFI was once underground, but they went "emo" in 2003 to get more popularity, now you hear them Z-100, and see their records in Hot Topic. that is the epitome of selling out. Anti-Flag also fits this description well.

____----____ · August 23, 2006

Originally posted by: The Terminator AFI is a prefect example of what going "mainstream" is. like said before, changing the style, disenfranchising original fans, and signing to a major, for one reson, to SELL RECORDS, and MAKE MONEY. as Aleking said, AFI was once underground, but they went "emo" in 2003 to get more popularity, now you hear them Z-100, and see their records in Hot Topic. that is the epitome of selling out. Anti-Flag also fits this description well.quote>

sad but true, well put u sell out when u change your style for cash

gurrgkud · August 23, 2006

Originally posted by: aleking

Originally posted by: The Terminator AFI is a prefect example of what going "mainstream" is. like said before, changing the style, disenfranchising original fans, and signing to a major, for one reson, to SELL RECORDS, and MAKE MONEY. as Aleking said, AFI was once underground, but they went "emo" in 2003 to get more popularity, now you hear them Z-100, and see their records in Hot Topic. that is the epitome of selling out. Anti-Flag also fits this description well.quote>

sad but true, well put u sell out when u change your style for cashquote>

i can completely agree with both of u guys

MadTV_Freak · August 23, 2006

Im gonna come out with the truth now....

Punk Rock music gives me a headache and makes me cry....

Cjah · August 26, 2006

Originally posted by: MadTV_Freak Im gonna come out with the truth now....

Punk Rock music gives me a headache and makes me cry....quote>

LOL...thats one of the funniest things i have ever heard....

well....some forms of country can almost make me want to go deaf....

SpecialEddie · August 30, 2006

Ok. Let's get this straight.

I hate rap, hip hoppity hop, pop, UGH--POP.

And poser bands--Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco.

I'm more into post hardcore these days (yep--there's another term for it though)

From First To Last, Chiodos, Underoath, Armor for Sleep, Thursday

all the Warped Tour bunch. I had a chance to go this summer, but couldn't.

Some Pop-Punk is good though: Academy is..., and yes...AFI...though some of you may disagree, I liked their mainstream switch. They had a chance to mature and darken their sound from their old, short, and quick paced melodies (they had albums with 20 songs...each at like 1:30?)

And what I like to call...political punk:

Anti-Flag, Against Me!, Rise Against

gurrgkud · August 30, 2006

Originally posted by: SpecialEddie Ok. Let's get this straight.

I hate rap, hip hoppity hop, pop, UGH--POP.

And poser bands--Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Panic! At the Disco.

I'm more into post hardcore these days (yep--there's another term for it though)

From First To Last, Chiodos, Underoath, Armor for Sleep, Thursday

all the Warped Tour bunch. I had a chance to go this summer, but couldn't.

Some Pop-Punk is good though: Academy is..., and yes...AFI...though some of you may disagree, I liked their mainstream switch. They had a chance to mature and darken their sound from their old, short, and quick paced melodies (they had albums with 20 songs...each at like 1:30?)

And what I like to call...political punk:

Anti-Flag, Against Me!, Rise Against

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Panic! At The Disco is not a poser band. They have their own unique sound, but if you dont like it, that's ok, but i disagree that they are a poser band.

And there's a term for political punk: "anarcho-punk"

____----____ · August 30, 2006

Anti-Flag, Against Me!, Rise Against

^^what do all those names have in common

truth be told i had Anti-Flags first album

And coming from someone who was a HUGE AFI

fan during the Shut your mouth and open Your eyes days

and the black Sails days they officially are lame now.

Davey is like the hot topic poster boy

How about this one...any Mars Volta fans out there?

toxicpiano · August 30, 2006

my dad bought 3 copies of 'God save the queen' by the sex pistols, one he lost when he lived in Canada, one is an unplayed copy, and the other is one you can listen to. He also hs the original 'Never mind the bollocks, here's the sex pistols'! beat that!

The Terminator · August 30, 2006

@SpecialEddie:

Um Anti-Flag is on RCA(so much for them being "socialists") Against Me! toured with green day, and is on the warped your, and you can see Rise Against anydy on MTV, hardly what id call "punk" or political, more like psudeopolitical sellouts. but thats just my opinion, like whatever you want to like

Real "Anarcho Punk":

CRASS

SUB HUM ANS

ICONS OF FILTH

A.P.P.L.E.

old CHUMBAWAMBA

CONFLICT

ANTISECT

NAUSEA

FLUX OF PINK INDIANS

ect.

The Terminator · August 30, 2006

and than theres CRUST:

NAUSEA(sometimes cosidered "anarcho punk")

DOOM

AMEBIX

CAUSTIC CHRIST

AUS-ROTTEN

WITCH HUNT

ANTISECT(also considered "anarcho punk")

DISORDER

EXTINCTION OF MANKIND

FILTH

ect.......

SpecialEddie · August 30, 2006

Sorry, but I really dislike old school punk. I like the modern Warped Tour punk they have these days.

And yes--I used to enjoy Panic! At the Disco--until everyone started making a big deal out of them...and little 12 year olds began liking them. That's the time I stop listening to a band. When the tweens pick up a copy of the CD.

Same thing that will happen to the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. If it's not happening now.

Let's just say...I was "jumping" before anyone knew about the Apparatus.

And it's ok if Rise Against is on MTV...I don't watch MTV...it's too bubble gum poppy. MTV does not influence the music I listen too since I don't even know if the bands I like are even showcased there. And I think Rise Against is more of an MTV2 Band...not MTV--which is just a load of [expletive]

EDIT: Don't even get me started on Simple Plan and Good Charlotte

gurrgkud · August 30, 2006

Originally posted by: SpecialEddie Sorry, but I really dislike old school punk. I like the modern Warped Tour punk they have these days.

And yes--I used to enjoy Panic! At the Disco--until everyone started making a big deal out of them...and little 12 year olds began liking them. That's the time I stop listening to a band. When the tweens pick up a copy of the CD.

Same thing that will happen to the Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. If it's not happening now.

Let's just say...I was "jumping" before anyone knew about the Apparatus.

And it's ok if Rise Against is on MTV...I don't watch MTV...it's too bubble gum poppy. MTV does not influence the music I listen too since I don't even know if the bands I like are even showcased there. And I think Rise Against is more of an MTV2 Band...not MTV--which is just a load of [expletive]

EDIT: Don't even get me started on Simple Plan and Good Charlotte

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Warped Tour music is not punk.

And hating a band that you used to like solely because everyone started to listen to them kinda makes you a poser (in a "reversed" manner).

stick to what you like, and screw everyone else

SpecialEddie · August 30, 2006

I would call Warped Tour punk...it's just a more modern version of the genre, and happens to appeal to me.

As for Panic! At the Disco...I'd been listening to them for a long time and I was getting sick of it anyway (they only have 1 album out)...just as I was getting sick of the band...all the little wannabes came.

Nearly 2/3 of people that say they "love panic!" have only listened to I love sins not tragedies.

DOXXP29 · August 30, 2006

"Old school punk"? I didn't realize there was any "new school punk". (Maybe they use four chords instead of three or less, I dunno.) I'm curious, if you don't like old school punk, what do you listen to that's different and is STILL punk? (And Puhleeeeze don't say Green Day or Blink 182) EDIT: Oh yeah Gurrukud, your last statements from your last post should be etched in stone and considered to be gospel!Truer words were never spoken! Words to live by and die for!

SpecialEddie · August 30, 2006

I like fall Out Boyz! Good Charlotte! I love simple pLaN! Hey--don't pick on green Dayz! I love amerkina idiot! dough I have no idea about politiks I just like being rebellyoos.

Now those bands are hardcore! Those are new skool!

n aside from poonk, i like nelly furtadoooo

promicous, baby! *slaps ass*

DARKO · September 1, 2006

Really can't stand the new wave of screamo/emo/punk crap. I'm sorry but bands like Panic at the disco probably seem "great" when your 15, but you'll care less about them when you reach 30. Formula rock at its best.

Top me it sounds like terrible PR fad of the year screamo. Also what up with toned down flock of seagulls hairdo that all these bands like Fall Out boy and such are sporting?? Fad alert.

I think some people have the wrong image of punk, or what is "punk" music.

The bottom line is I like bands who have an intelligent aspect ot their songwriitng and can play well, even being punk

Punk doesn't have to be 2 chords and screaming, and gimmicky ala Sex Pistols.

Whoever mentioned the band Wire is spot on. They were more of a art-punk band, which are more or less the ones I like. Bands like Husker Du, early replacements and the minutemen(well they were more early hardcore) I think qualify as this. Ramones really are the kings of punk though.

I mean alot of bands from the sixites like early Love albums could be considered "Punk". Velvet Undergorund had a punk attitude, and really I think that is what defines punk. It's an attitude, not wearing a AFI t-shirt. Velvets White Light/White Heat album still buries pretty much any "puk" album today or since. That was made in 67'.

Devo were a form of punk. Punk is an attitude, so it can hold many forms.

Never liked metal, I do like a few bands such as Ministry though.

Bauhaus to me were a post-punk group. If you listent to their music they were a punk band at heart. The Goth stuff they created and millions ate it up. Listen to thier first album its one of the best punk/post-punk records ever.

Most of those warp tour bands are pretty much emo/screamo. Which is basically pop music trying to be punk or hardcore.

DOXXP29 · September 1, 2006

Interesting you mention Wire, Darko! For a band that a lot of people have never heard of (in the US, anyway), I've seen many, many bands of all types that cite Wire as a direct influence on their music! I remember when Elastica came out with their first CD. Everyone was saying "Wow, you have a unique sound! How do you come up with all this cool stuff?" And (I forget her first name) Fleishmann said "Oh, we just basically rip off Wire cuz we're all friends, they're our favorite band and they influenced us so much!" She went on to say that "Waking Up" was almost a direct take of one of their songs. A lotta bands with an unconventional or unique sound say that Wire was an influence. Cool band!

____----____ · September 1, 2006

Anyone like Refused I loved the Shape of Punk to Come when it came

out, but now that they are THe International NOise Conspiracy

not my thing anymore

gurrgkud · September 1, 2006

Originally posted by: DARKO Really can't stand the new wave of screamo/emo/punk crap. I'm sorry but bands like Panic at the disco probably seem "great" when your 15, but you'll care less about them when you reach 30. Formula rock at its best.