Attract poor people.

[btsfan 2]

Hey fellow mayors,

 

I have a little problem with my region.

 

It's a 8*8 region with one more developed city, and one mountain area with farms and villages. I am developing a third city, and I want to have a lot of dirty industry and poor people in this city. However, because the other city is well educated (community college mostly), I have a hard time growing dirty industry and poor medium-rise homes in my third city.

 

Is there any way to keep de rich out of the city and attract more poor people? I tried to raise taxes already, but this doesn't improve desire for poor people. Thank you!

[Snugies 91]

your dirty industry/ poor people should always be in demand. Or low wealth shops. You must build either of those three than the others ones will increase in demand. Then go for coal plants. Make sure you put on Easy. Easy usually makes the low income demands always high.

[Ltw 401]

Quite strange that you've got problems with attracting poor people, usually that is not a problem. A possible solution is to decrease the desirability. Rich people usually don't live in cities were there is a bad education, long commute times and bad safety.

[mrbisonm 1,620]

Try raising the taxes for I §§§ over 15% and make sure you don't have education and water available to the poor sims sections.

 

mrb.

[infamousjbe 592]

When ever you build new zones, the new Sims will automatically be R$. At least the first month or two before it'll upgrade to R$$/R$$$, so if you use the "make historical" once the low wealth Sim pops up, then they won't be able to upgrade to anything else. 

 

This is the only way I know of that allows you to actually build a completely R$ area.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

You could try cutting the neighbour connections for a while.

[btsfan 2]

So if I close all the schools, police stations and water facilities, it should work? The city isn't connected to the rest just yet.

 

I'll try, I'll post the results.

[infamousjbe 592]

So if I close all the schools, police stations and water facilities, it should work? The city isn't connected to the rest just yet.

 

I'll try, I'll post the results.

Not necessarily. If there are more than enough jobs for the R$ Sims, they will still upgrade to R$$ even without those amenities. Only R$$$ won't move in without water.

[btsfan 2]

I closed like everything except fire, power and garbage, and I raised taxes to 16% for everyone except poor people (8%). I even removed a mod (that could have some effect to it, but I believe it didn't), but still no demand at all. In fact, the demand for poor people is at least -500, only cheap shops are willing to build.

 

Should I destroy everything instead of closing? Or something else? I don't know.

[Snugies 91]

sounds like hard level of difficulty why I always play I on easy I never get problems like that. Their actually might be a mod that give max demand for everything someone more knowledgeable than me should give you a link.

[Bdub01 201]

I've rarely seen R$ in the negative. Sounds like that mod you used may have has something to do with it. As others said usually there is too much demand for R$. I've made "ghetto" cities just to lower the demand. So I don't know what's going on in your city...

[btsfan 2]

After lots of ingame years, still no change. I removed the glitching mod, so it should work now, right?! The only other RCI mod I have now, is the one that improves the look of industrial areas, but shouldn't change the demands and stuff.

 

Should I completely rebuild all the cities of my region, should I move the other RCI mod, or both/something else?

 

Edit: Forget it, I don't wanna continue with this regon anymore anyway. I'll start a new one and see how it works out.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Get rid of any RCI mods.  They skew the game too much.

[stlsuburb 2]

Have you tried increasing desirability for the other cities? If you give the rich people another option they will stay where they are and force the poor to move out, and they have to go somewhere.

[RockGod92 1]

The simulator by default will upgrade any R$ to R$$/R$$$, assuming you have demand for R$$/R$$$ and high desirability. Like above posters said, taxing R$$/R$$$ out and/or keeping desirability for R$$/R$$$ low should force only R$ sims to move in. Keep this in mind.

Aside from that, it is odd that you had low R$ demand; demand for them are almost always maxed for me in my mature regions, as R$ can work literally anywhere, so there are almost always an abundance of R$ jobs. Weird.

[Turjan 1,048]

Get rid of any RCI mods.  They skew the game too much.

 

There's also the problem that the city save might develop a "memory" of the mod, which can lead to buggy situations after removal. For example, my CAM test city seems to have an insatiable demand built in, although I had removed the CAM a long time ago after a short test during the initial city phase.

[Ltw 401]

 

Get rid of any RCI mods.  They skew the game too much.

 

There's also the problem that the city save might develop a "memory" of the mod, which can lead to buggy situations after removal. For example, my CAM test city seems to have an insatiable demand built in, although I had removed the CAM a long time ago after a short test during the initial city phase.

 

 

It should get better after running it for a few gameyears, I've had removed a RCI mod a long time ago and after a while the demand was normal again. Have you fixed the CAM with DATpacker? That might explain why the demand is still the same.

[Turjan 1,048]

Have you fixed the CAM with DATpacker? That might explain why the demand is still the same.

 

No, I haven't. And it hasn't changed after many decades of play. My pet hypothesis has something to do with the point that CAM uses other demand ranges, which may result in an offset of the zero line at some values (or something like an overrun that clamps the value to max) if you remove the mod. Of course, as I said, even "hypothesis" is a big word for that statement, as I didn't really perform any thorough investigation. However, I would like to know what a save game really stores.

[Ltw 401]

 

Have you fixed the CAM with DATpacker? That might explain why the demand is still the same.

 

No, I haven't. And it hasn't changed after many decades of play. My pet hypothesis has something to do with the point that CAM uses other demand ranges, which may result in an offset of the zero line at some values (or something like an overrun that clamps the value to max) if you remove the mod. Of course, as I said, even "hypothesis" is a big word for that statement, as I didn't really perform any thorough investigation. However, I would like to know what a save game really stores.

 

 

I thought a savegame saves everything, not only the layout of your city, but also RCI and other statistics are saved. However, the simulator makes those simulations by some ground rules. Because you've changed those ground rules by installing and removing CAM it should be changed to the default. I can't give a good answer to this question, maybe someone with more knowledge about the CAM could help you.

[Turjan 1,048]

I can't give a good answer to this question, maybe someone with more knowledge about the CAM could help you.

 

No worries. Insatiable demand isn't much of a problem. You can just control with scrolling. I have one city with R$$ and R$$$ demand clamped to negative values, though, and that one was hard to run as R$ pays hardly any taxes. Only poor people want to live there, despite it being a full service city. It's a nice contrast to all that CO$$$ that grows between the tenements.