Visual Issues.

[Slyguy3129 5]

Hey guys, I've got a problem.

Now from what I am seeing I believe I am having issues with vanilla buidlings. Specifically industrial, it seems not everything is there. Also, it seems that it only appears after installing CAM. It seems like it effects the Dolan Dye building alot, but that might be just because it appears alot early on, or so it seems.

Anyways, if anyone could please help me. It appears the issue is only affecting Industry, everything else seems to look ok.

Does anyone have any ideas? Any help would me very much apprecaited, this little thing has been bugging the heck out of me.

[Cefien 361]

it seems that it only appears after installing CAM.

Now when it talks about CAM, sure there are many to consider, dependencies, campatible lots, or incampatible mods. I'm not sure which one got conflict with your plugins, so, instead of ask here why dont you try to ask questions to the CAM Support Thread.

Or you can just wait until someone expert in CAM answer your question here

[Slyguy3129 5]

Because I'm not entirely certain if it is CAM. If I uninstall it, Dolan Dye doesn't appear as much or just not early on. So I might just not be seeing it, or it might be caused by CAM. But that doesn't make sense. The only thing CAM related I have installed are the starter packs listed plus dependencies. The only other thing is NAM and SPAM.

I also fix the demand bug caused by CAM via the packer when I install it. Along with the HT Industry jobs bug concerning R$$$.

[jason leo 485]

Aha ! SPAM ! Do you know if SPAM is not CAMpatible ? I think the cause of many Dolan Dye created is because your small industrial area is not sufficiently watered and the size of the area is just fit very well with Dolan Dye, then you also not having any other Industrial building that have around the same number with the Dolan Dye. It just like species booming, when they become the main predator with many preys and no competitor, they will be boomed. I suggest you to download some files with around the same stage and lot size with Doland eye, I'm sure if you adding the varieties, then Dolan eye will not taking over your industrial area. I think you also right that CAM is not the mod that cause this.

[Slyguy3129 5]

I will uninstall SPAM and see if that's the issue.

But again my issue isn't that there are alot of Dolan Dye, it's that it appears as if things are missing. Look at the lots. Not to mention I literally loaded the game built the road and plant zoned the indy and fast forward so I could take a picture of my issue. I'll try looking into SPAM.

[Cefien 361]

Well, someone didn't read the issue clearly here...still you should uninstall the SPAM when using CAM.

What is missing here, actually??

[jason leo 485]

I think timed props should be reconsidered. When the time is not match the time when the props must appear, the props won't appearing. Are you sure if all props on the lot aren't timed props ? Another thing that you must know is it is true if Maxis lotting is a bit terrible. Actually, I want to suggest you to use IRM, that make the lots from all Industrial building become better, but unfortunately, that mod is also inCAMpatible.

[Cefien 361]

Exactly,..

[Slyguy3129 5]

Jason, I appreciate your help, but what on Earth are you on about?

Looking at the picture I have provided, its clear that in some cases there is supposed to be something on a LOT when clearly there isn't for some reason. It isn't an issue with Maxis poor LOTing, I have owned this game for a decade, and have never noticed this issue before.

I uninstalled SPAM (deleted the folder from the plugins) and nothing, the same issue occured. Is there anything special I need to do? I never save the cities, I just load it lay the plant a road and the light indy to see if it still looks the same. I'm going to try uninstalling CAM and uploading a pic, maybe then it will become more clear........

[Cefien 361]

Actually, Jason has a point....what you think is missing from the LOT is called props.

You did say this problem appear after you installed CAM, right??

Well, try to uninstall that...see if that change anything.

[Slyguy3129 5]

Uninstalling CAM did nothing. When I switched the Simcity1.dat file back to the original one. I get this.

Disregarding the time of day and density (I tried to make Dolan Dye pop up specifically but gave up), the main difference to me between the to images, is the this one appears to have more vehicle props, as in it isn't missing them. All in all this picture appears to be more "cuttered" with props, while the pic in the initial post, seems bare with props.

Why would it do that when I fix the CAM demand bug issue? By that I mean using the SC4DatPacker to get rid of the bug.

[jason leo 485]

So, you compare the Dolan Dye with other lots and feel if the Dolan Dye lot seems emptier than others ?

Just want to confirm, have you check the Dolan Dye lot and find out if no timed props exist ?. My guess on the seems empty lot is some props from the lots are timed props that won't appearing when the time is not same with their appearing time. To prove that any of the Dolan Dye props are timed, you must check any existing Dolan Dye and keep watching on it for a whole day (day-night cycle in the game). I also see a problem with the dark warehouse beside the Dao Chemicals, how could the warehouse become flying like that ?

I think those things that you feel is not related to CAM at all. But I start to worry if a prop pox trouble happened (as I know, can't be fixed, the only way to fix it is by deleting all infected cities).

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

From the original shot, I only see that the zone needs more roads or streets surrounding it. Lots will only build if they can have a road to use. And from the accompanying writing, I don't see what the question is.

[Cefien 361]

Using SC4Datpacker to get rid of the bug??

I don't think datpacker will do such a thing. Also, we're not sure what kind a bug you're having here.

[paeng 2,507]

Now from what I am seeing I believe I am having issues with vanilla buidlings.

Well yeah - I see that the items in the last pic seem much 'denser' than in the first shot... hard to tell without really knowing the composition of your plugins and mods. There is too much speculation around - take it step by step... open a sandbox, grow some vanilla IND, then slowly add other items and mods so you get an idea of what actually is different or missing.

I am not well versed with CAM, so I can't say what impact it has on your IND. SPAM? I don't think that is an agenda here, as it does not touch anything IND, only I-R. SPAM is known to work along CAM, though it has fewer stages (five instead of eight). There are so many possible constellations once you add numerous mods, and possible conflicts may just pile up - I'd take both out and then add them in one by one to see if or where they bite each other...

[Slyguy3129 5]

Well maybe I'm just loosing my mind lol.

If nothing from the first picture stands out as hey something looks wrong here, other than city building, then maybe it is ok.

I point out Dolan Dye simply because it appears frequently, plus atleast just to me, it seemed bare, naked, like parts of the LOT were missing. Maybe not and it's just something I'm seeing. If so that is a huge relief. Without CAM installed I can't seem to get Dolan to pop up. But other buildings I'm seeing, like some of the warehouses look identical.

It might be because I'm used to not having CAM, and used to getting all those huge dense industry right off the bat. The more I try and solve it the more I'm thinking that must be the case.

There is a bug in CAM it counts the jobs or something twice, so it will mess the game up later on down the road.

Save a copy of Simcity_1.dat

Put it and the CAM dat file in a new folder.

Rename the CAM file and put z_ so it loads last

Open DatPack

Select only new folder, run

Rename new file to Simcity_1.dat and place it in game directory.

Delete new folder, folder created, and the CAM dat file.

Do the same thing for the HT Industry job bug.

[Slyguy3129 5]

I have resolved the issue. It seemed to have been associated to how I had installed SPAM. I had missed a folder, it's not the first time this has happened with modding for me.

What mean is this:

In the SPAM raryou go to unzip it and the folder structure is like so:

PEG_SPAM......

SPAM.....

Yada Yada....

Somehow, don't know how, but I missed the PEG folder. So instead of the folder in plugins being PEG_SPAM it was the second folder. Anyways installed SPAM correctly and the lots seem populated with props, boxes people trucks forklift ect.....

Thanks for the help guys!

[SimCoug 5,972]

Like Paeng said, SPAM has nothing to do with medium or heavy industry zones - only Industrial-Agriculture. If you are talking about farms not showing up with props, then yes, you may have installed SPAM incorrectly. But if you are referring to the previous posted pictures, SPAM has nothing to do with props on those zones.

[jason leo 485]

I also already look around my city and found some Dolan Dye, and they are like that, maybe a bit odd for you, but it seems that all Dolan Dye are same. I can say if you don't have any problem with your city. But be careful when you zoning agriculture, because CAM and SPAM affect I-A and the incompatibility between both mods happened there. Btw, for everything else, it should be just fine.

[Slyguy3129 5]

Found on excellent little mod that replaces the Earth like texture feel of the dirty industry giving them a more concrete texture. It looks very nice, and the dependancies were all ones I had for the CAM starter packs. I'll link to it once I am home.

As far as my other issue I still have no explanation for it. I had redone the dat pack fix with the reinstall of SPAM I think, so perhaps it was that. Either way it was fixed and with these new textures it looks even better.