Industry building

[husher 18]

Here i go again; trying to get industry to grow; it just refuses to!, i picked up the customs house and the RCI query mod's yesterday in a hope that it would perk up my industry demand.

oh well, like all politican's you ask but nothing happened, i don't understand it; I've got well funded schools, transport, every facility that the sims would possibly need but industry still refuses to grow, if i want an industrial center then I've got to plop it, rather than it grow spontaniously, is there anything i'm missing?

[jason leo 485]

How about your city's desirability level for I ? How about the demand of I in your city ? As long as the demand and the desirability level is low, then, I will not grows. One more question, how about your city's R population ? Only half of all workforce population is working. I also suggest you to check the population age graph, the desirability graph, and the demand graph. Also check if you have a demand mod, it may become another source of your problem too.

[lhrob 213]

Are you getting any "no-job" zots? If not, then your Sims are probably sufficiently employed, thus there won't be any demand for Industry. Try adding more residential zones, and the industrial demand should start coming back up.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

If you are trying to get I-D in a developed city, try zoning some high density 2 x 4 and 4 x 4 R adjacent to the industrial plot. Your need is probably R$ who are relatively uneducated. Water all around.

[nukeu123 307]

he never said what industry specifically! he never mention his RCI stats! He failed to mention were hes placing the zones!

like Residence and Commence, Industry has desirability to be satisfied as well. I-D and I-M like low value land and cant stand terrain slopes, while high tech needs to be treated like R-$$$, low polution, easy access between R and I zones, argriculture must be large,Flat zones with out near by Commerce or mass transit tiles. not to mention when your population hits a certain point, argriculture Demand becomes decimated for that city tile

my question for you is:

-Have do you, or do you not have Demand for such zones?

-proper utilities (Water,Power,Garbage)?

-desirability?

-Proper transportation (R-Commute time and I-Freight time)

-is your populous educated?(applies for high tech)

[husher 18]

oh boy what a can of worms, sorry i was not very clear was i? well here goes:

the demand for Ri and Rii is fine, commercial demand is also lo but it builds anyway, its the demand for industry that i have problem with, no matter how i site the residential weather its next to industry, seperated only by an avenue to promote mobility, or with commercial between them industry just refuses to grow.

If i want to build a decent industrial area i have to plop every thing, but i do include road, rail and bus transport in the sector, the whole tile is watered and there's plenty of power and the waste is dealt with, education is usally about 160, they have both fire cover and police, and clinics to promote health and still demand is low.

It's strange; generally if you want a technological society you need infrastructure to support it, the game seems to ignore this and concentrates only on residential and commercial, but how can you have both with out industry to support them?

I generally build on everything flat land and have even tried putting parks and trees in the industrial sectors to no avail, i just wonder if the games got stuck in a rut and needs upgrading, mines the rush hour delux pack i bought a few years ago, i see people on here who need to find new versions i just wonder if i need to do the same; question is will it help?

[jason leo 485]

Right click on the game shortcut at C:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4 RH, then click properties and check your game's version, It should be 1,1640 or 1,1,641, otherwise, you must install all patches and I also have one more question, what are mods that you have (All mods that change something from the way Industrial works)?

[husher 18]

I just had a look and it dosen't say what version it has,the only thing i can find is the serial code on the disc:MXX08004179D2 as for any mods:the only ones i can find that would affect the industry are the RCI query mod and the customs house; i thought i got the industry jobs quadrouper but i cant find it so that's it apart from all the factories some such i added in, but no other jobs or demand mods.

[jason leo 485]

A fix for the location of the shortcut, it should be located at C:\Program Files\Maxis\SimCity 4 RH\Apps. And have you check your Plugins ? Make sure if your Plugin is well-managed to prevent any possibility of missing something that may become your problem. Now, I change my question from 'what are mods that you have (All mods that change something from the way Industrial works)?' become 'do you ever have any mods that change something from the way Industrial works ? Customs house and the RCI query mod shouldn't affecting your demand so badly until it makes Industries can't grow, what are mods that you have right now ? (all mods, except mods that you have mention before)

[husher 18]

I've got just about every factory, both high and low tech that i could find in the STEX, and all their dependancies, there are way too many to list; i'm working on a test city right now, following nonny's advice its got 30k sims, and a large industrial area which is composed of a few oil refineries, a coking plant and coal mines and the lucky strike mine which are plopped on. But not much else has grown, there's still a lot of empty space in there, the demand is at negative 400 for Id and Im there's no demand for high tech. Other than that i haven't been able to find any mod that would increase industrial demand, in this case the games vanilla, despite the amount of factory mod's.

[jason leo 485]

How about changing the name of the Plugins become Plugins.old and do the test again ? By changing the name of the Plugins, the game will not recognize your Plugins will produce a new empty Plugins, so you can test your game without anything installed except the game itself.

[dekiscool 6]

I have an issue with industry. I keep getting a prompt that Industry needs room to grow. I have placed tiles for it, but nothing has grown in that area. Not sure why.

[jason leo 485]

I have an issue with industry. I keep getting a prompt that Industry needs room to grow. I have placed tiles for it, but nothing has grown in that area. Not sure why.

I already wrote all of the questions for you in the post #2. I suggest you to do all of those things, and don't easily trust advisers, they just give advises, but not ruling your city. You're the god, advisers can't stop you from doing things that you want.

[husher 18]

Hers a few pics of my most recent city, as you can see theres not much industry growing

oh, the pictures didn't come out, sorry

the picture was too big to up load, oh well

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

To embed a picture larger than 500K you need to upload it on a photo site. Uploads to user space on this site is limited to 500K per user total, which is not quite big enough to swing a kitten these days. Also, for speed of loading, convert any pictures to .jpg.

And you can find your build level. Using windows explorer, do a find on SimCity 4.exe. Because this name has a space in it, you may have to enclose it in quotes. After you locate the file, simply hover your mouse over it, and the version should be reported. If not, right click it, and look at through the properties pages.

Sometime, you should spend a little while in the Windows help system finding out how to run your computer more than just using the desktop.

[dekiscool 6]

I have an issue with industry. I keep getting a prompt that Industry needs room to grow. I have placed tiles for it, but nothing has grown in that area. Not sure why.

I already wrote all of the questions for you in the post #2. I suggest you to do all of those things, and don't easily trust advisers, they just give advises, but not ruling your city. You're the god, advisers can't stop you from doing things that you want.

Post #2?? Where is this??

[nukeu123 307]

I have an issue with industry. I keep getting a prompt that Industry needs room to grow. I have placed tiles for it, but nothing has grown in that area. Not sure why.

I already wrote all of the questions for you in the post #2. I suggest you to do all of those things, and don't easily trust advisers, they just give advises, but not ruling your city. You're the god, advisers can't stop you from doing things that you want.

Post #2?? Where is this??

the first reply to this discussion....

[CoastRunner 24]

High tech industry doesn't grow when you first begin a city, as the city has to develop a highly educated and healthy workforce beforehand in addition to the parks and infrastructure in place. It sounds like the city has been started, and a low-wealth residential base created, but little of the more educated and healthier sims, which would also explain the lower demand for commercial. I wouldn't expect to start seeing high tech industry until the city is either much larger or much more time has gone by.

[lhrob 213]

High tech industry doesn't grow when you first begin a city, as the city has to develop a highly educated and healthy workforce beforehand in addition to the parks and infrastructure in place. It sounds like the city has been started, and a low-wealth residential base created, but little of the more educated and healthier sims, which would also explain the lower demand for commercial. I wouldn't expect to start seeing high tech industry until the city is either much larger or much more time has gone by.

How long do you think it takes for high tech industry to grow? My city is only 8 years old, with a population of 12,000 - and I have quite a few high-tech/high-wealth industries.

[CoastRunner 24]

If that's how long it took for your sims to become educated and healthy, then that's how long. Also, this is if there are no other cities in the region. In other cases where growth exists, there can be high tech demand before the first zone is placed.

[jason leo 485]

If that's how long it took for your sims to become educated and healthy, then that's how long. Also, this is if there are no other cities in the region. In other cases where growth exists, there can be high tech demand before the first zone is placed.

Btw, he doesn't mention about the type of I that he wants around his city. We don't really know about the type whether that is I-A/I-R, I-D, I-M, or I-HT .Somehow, I feel curious with his city's tax setting.

[le_harv 4]

I've got just about every factory, both high and low tech that i could find in the STEX, and all their dependancies, there are way too many to list; i'm working on a test city right now, following nonny's advice its got 30k sims, and a large industrial area which is composed of a few oil refineries, a coking plant and coal mines and the lucky strike mine which are plopped on. But not much else has grown, there's still a lot of empty space in there, the demand is at negative 400 for Id and Im there's no demand for high tech. Other than that i haven't been able to find any mod that would increase industrial demand, in this case the games vanilla, despite the amount of factory mod's.

The reason you have not got industrial growth is because the oil refinery, mining plops etc all have jobs. Fukuda's bistagne mine pit 2 for example has 1200 ID jobs so when you plop it you flood the market with these jobs. Plop a couple of these and the market has probably become saturated so any industry that you zone in addition won't grow until you build the residential population to fill these positions. Back up your region, try deleting your plops and see if your industrial zones will grow. To see which plops have jobs just query them.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Just remember that when you query a lot it tells you the number of jobs not the number employed.

A reminder that the game is slanted to commercial development after the industrial is sort of fulfilled, and when you reach certain levels. There are no industrial lots after level 3 which is reached pretty quickly.