GTA V

[Ocram's Razr 963]

That sounds great! I can hardly wait to see the world of GTA V!

  Edited February 9, 2012 by OcramSeattle  

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If GTA5 is limited to only Los Santos, it must be comparable in size to LA in LA NOIR.

The GTA V map is going to be MUCH bigger than the LA Noire map, because it will contain countryside. Also, Rockstar said on Twitter, the GTA V map will be huge.

pure speculation. LA Noire map is 8 sqm, GTA4's map 6 sqm, RDR is about 2.5 times the map of GTA4.

R* is always keen on making bigger maps every game so I say this happens again here, with a twist:

My guess on the GTA5 map is bigger than GTA4, slightly bigger than LA Noire, but smaller than RDR due to the fact that a city with all the complex geometry and different buildings takes much more physical resources than a vast but "empty" (as in nothing but fauna and flora) landscape. of course you can create enormous maps of a city, but not without autogen, that's how True Crime LA was able to give us 240sqm of LA at 1:1 scale... but not 1:1 detail.

Also, keeping in mind that the game is most likely to be released on current gen consoles, there's a harsh limit in space due to the eck bock. LA Noire came on 3 discs (mainly, but not only due to the motion scan technology) and this was one of the major letdowns on this console. People are not quite willing to swap discs (anymore at least, used to be standard issue back when I was a kid, thinking of Wing Commander on 3000 discs... at least that's how it felt) so producers that want to release on this console gotta make compromises...

Anyway, to name a figure I think of 10 to 12 sqm, with the city being something between 1/3 and 1/2 of the map.

Although I must say, everytime I watch the trailer I get stuck at the few overview shots that make LS look considerably small...

on a sidenote, R* answered 2 questions about GTA5 in their latest Q&A:

first one was asked a couple times in different variatons, going for when there will be more info on it. answer:

First of all, we’d like to again thank you and everyone out there for the amazing response to the debut Grand Theft Auto V trailer. We know that there are a ton of questions you all have about the game, including release date and lots else.

Right now, we are very hard at work on the game and are excited as well to show and tell you more as development progresses - expect that we'll be talking much more about GTAV starting at some point in a few months’ time.

Please hang tight until then and thank you all for your patience and support!

a few months' time. are you frakking serious?? looks like they wont give us anything until the max payne 3 campaign is about to be done with. Oh my I'm already sick with all the (all too often pointless) speculations and fakes on the interweb now, how should I mess with the next few months? fare the well online-life...

next question was the more interesting question about whether it'll be in fact Los Santos only or it'll include SF and LV aswell. The answer (probably driving quadrillions of San Andreas fanboys hoping for GTA5 to be San Andreas 2.0 into suicide):

As we revealed in our announcement about the game being officially in full development, Grand Theft Auto V is set in the city of Los Santos and its surrounding hills, countryside and beaches – and it will be the largest and most ambitious open world game we’ve ever created...

the way they stress this statement ever since the trailer was released, I guess they're freaked out about all the questions concerning San Fierro and Las Venturas aswell. It's at least the 3rd time they officially announce the game to be set in Los Santos... I have a feeling they are serious about this and wont come forth with San Andreas 2.0

But tbh, I think it'll take until the very release of the game till even the last one understands the meaning of "Los Santos and surrounding countryside"...

  Edited February 13, 2012 by GMT  

[Larks2242 251]

Huge could mean alot of things, need a much less vague definition of the map size.

  Edited February 14, 2012 by Larks2242  

[Ocram's Razr 963]

I thought the Xbox could save things from the games so you only need one disk to play?

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not for LA Noire, you had to swap the discs, and from what I heard and read every now and then this was/is a very controversial issue. Now, again, the main reason was the amount of data for the motion scan and I recon this won't be seen in GTA5, but still the disc space of the eck bock slows down. Not quite in terms of storytelling (I recently fiddled with the script file of San Andreas which is just 2mb in size) but when it comes to visuals.

My guess is we get a one disc GTA5, probably at the disc limits of the eck bock, but who cares?

[suomi2005 52]

GMT on what basis does LA Noire ask you to swap disks, is it when you get to a certain point in the story or when you move into a certain part of the map? Just curious to know .

GTA V looks that it will in fact have a lot of rural areas when I watch the trailer. The wind farms, oilfields, vineyards and the mountains and the forests. At least from the trailer the rural areas seem to have a lot of variety and it would be weird for me if those landscapes in the trailer would only take up 1/3 or 1/2 of the map. I would easily think that the rural area will be bigger than Los Santos itself.

Los Santos seems big too there seems to be very much variety more than in GTA 4. If you think about it also Liberty city (based on NYC) which is a densely built city and Los Santos (based on LA)which is a lot more spread out city with much more suburban sprawl. I hope R* is trying to replicate this aspects of real life LA in Los Santos.

Just wanted to share my view on what I think about the game so far

And who knows if R* surprises us whit DLC in the form of adding maybe an expansion with San Fierro. That would be awesome but not probably likely. I was very happy with the expansions for RDR(Undead nightmare) and GTA 4( Episodes from Liberty city)and we probably see similar DLC like this for GTAV and not new environments.

  Edited February 14, 2012 by suomi2005  

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as I dont have an xbox, I can't answer that question, but I feel like I have read somewhere that it's a matter of story progression to swap the discs.

Good that you mention the sprawl of Los Angeles. That's another problematic point. hard to balance between accuracy and purpose here. While it is interesting from a recreational point of view and certainly would add to the atmosphere, I guess too much sprawl will spoil the gameplay.

LA Noire is maneuvering hard at the limits of what's ok if you ask me. What goes in favor of LA Noire's map is the fact that it's a very accurate recreation of a city as it was 70 years ago so the comparison between then and now is a huge driving factor.

The comparison between LS and LA can't compare to this as it will be more like a memory of the city rather than a replica, to suck in the atmosphere and the "feeling" of LA, supported by popular landmarks and geography. While you can go landmark hunting aswell (and probably easter-egg / R* humor hunting) it won't hold the same appeal as cruising down the roads of LA Noire... at least that's what I think.

I just took a look at the last scene of the trailer again, you can cleary see how the city spreads north-south but the east-west dimension seems rather small. what adds to that is the scene with the oil derricks where you can easily spot what looks like the appartment blocks at the marina del rey at the far horizon, so to say the western limit of the city, while the oil derricks you look from seem to be the eastern limits of the city.

I hope perspective deceives me here or we're looking at an incomplete alpha version of the map (some shots suggest it's not final, especially the highrise with the blimp over it seems to change location; compare the overview shots with the shot from the golfcourse) but as of now, the city looks smaller than Liberty City.

As for DLC, it's very very unlikely that it'll come in the shape of San Fierro or Las Venturas. To keep the state of San Andreas authentic, such a city must be at least the size of Los Santos and other than the EFLC DLCs must be delivered with the DLC, skyrocketing the mass of data. We might get some DLC in terms of storytelling, but not in terms of location.

IF we ever get to see SF or LV, it'll be in a new game. Either a subpart of a GTA5 series, or as GTA6,7 and so on, although I feel like chances are much higher that, if a GTA6 directly follows GTA5, it'll be Vice City.

[Ocram's Razr 963]

Of course you must realize that the Grand Theft Auto version of America is vastly different from real USA.

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uhm... yes of course it's different? don't quite get the context to be honest.

anyway, the PS3 UK hopepage (and only this subpage of playstation) already lists GTA5 as a game (linkie, click it as long as you can, doubt the info was to be released just yet), so I guess it can be considered a confirmation for the game to be released on current gen consoles. Although one must be a little careful here, they state no network gaming but it's already confirmed to have online multiplayer

  Edited February 15, 2012 by GMT  

[Ocram's Razr 963]

I am saying that you can expect Los Santos to be as different from LA as Liberty City is from NYC, possibly moreso. GTA5 will be somewhere between GTA3 San Andrés and LA NOIR in realism with a larger map than LA NOIR.

Vice City is also extremely different from Miami. Of course, a San Fierro expansion might generate controversy if the Queens neighborhood is rendered with all the technology possible from the GTA Ballad.

  Edited February 15, 2012 by OcramSeattle  

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of course it isn't. I dare to say everyone who hasen't realized this by now should seriously consider a reality check.

Liberty City, Los Santos, San Fierro, Las Venturas and Vice City are characterized immitations of their real-life counterparts, and the whole world of GTA is nothing but an exaggerated aswell as ironic and stereotypical (and therefore somewhat critical) view on us society... plus the little extra to make it an interesting experience in terms of storyline.

But that's the reason why you can't deny real world inspiration at all in this game, literaly visible in the setting.

Throughout the series we see how much closer the setting got to the original inspiration. Just compare how Liberty City looked like in GTA3 and how it does in GTA4, I guess we can expect the same with the change from San Andreas' Los Santos to 5's Los Santos, although SA's Los Santos was already a very well captured inspiration of el pueblo de nuestra senora la reina de los angeles del rio porciuncula. But what limited this picture was the size available due to the fact that R* wanted to represent a state. Now with the more than obvious way of one big city only, they got more room to play with and therefore can digg deeper into presenting us a fictional city capturing the spirit (and sights and layout and whatnot) of LA.

I guess Los Santos will walk down the same lane Liberty City did in terms of authentic feeling. I mean, fire up GTA4 and start to breath in Liberty, you get a nose full of New York with a note attached "remember I am 'only' Liberty"... that's what R* wanted to do and achieved if you'd ask me (I can remember reading an article that stated over 600 hours of film material only showing the sky above NYC so R* can get the colors and lights of the sky right).

either way, I so can't wait for more info on GTA, but the Q&A article pretty much my worst expectation, nothing new till MP3 is out

[AdoxxBE 289]

i like GTA for a lot of things, storyline, graphics, gameplay but most of all for those small things they add. Stuff they add on some billboards or in grafitty. Sometimes I have to laugh 10 minutes after some ironic stuff they added.

GTA = one of the best games ever.

[Ocram's Razr 963]

I never owned GTA but I have played with friends. I remember there was a neighborhood with a jet pack and there was an overpass with streetwalkers on the sidewalk who will walk to you if you honk at them and will either get in your car or on their knees after you pay them.

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you should seriously consider playing it. despite all controveries around it, it's a piece of videogame history and also redefined gaming to a certain extend as it made open-world games popular among the masses

EDIT: on a sidenote I stumbled over a 2 weeks old statement from Take2 boss Strauss Zelnick, who says 5 will be released in T2's upcoming fiscal year, ending march 31st 2013 and that the game is "making great progress" and that it "promises to continue Rockstar's incredible track record of delighting fans by raising the bar in interactive entertainment".

  Edited February 17, 2012 by GMT  

[suomi2005 52]

Although I love open world games I cant avoid a feeling I have been getting while playing many of today's open world games and that feeling is been there done that. Many sandbox style games seem to be built the same way as last gen and it seems hard to come up with something new. I really hope that GTA V is going to bring us at least something new or something that sets it a part from past GTA games and other open world games. It would have been even more exciting if R* would have come up with a completely new and unexplored city for their next game maybe even venture into uncharted territory by making a GTA game set in Europe or Asia. Nonetheless I will be excited to see Los Santos reimagined for current gen consoles just like Liberty city was.

I know there was a GTA London

  Edited February 17, 2012 by suomi2005  

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that's true... but you can't reinvent the wheel either, you can only change it's looks.

When we take a look at certain open world games, they all come with different approaches to it, suiting the needs of the story.

this counts for the way you move aswell as for character customization and development aswell as for things you can do (interactions with the environment).

But on the bottom line, they stay open world and/or sandbox games. Just like a shooter stays a shooter, an rpg stays an rpg and an rts remains an rts.

as funny as it sounds, but even open world games are confined in a certain way.

[trar 334]

I really hope they have a frying pan in the vanilla game(i will be playing it on xbox).

[people of NYC 19]

now its predicts its launched by 24 05 this year

  Edited May 20, 2012 by people of NYC  

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there has been plenty of speculation about a release date. many of which due to the fact that the it systems at shops like walmart and gamestop require you to enter a release date upon registration of a title. no official date means any made up date.

I doubt we wont even here of GTAV again until fall because R* is totally down for MP3 and it's DLC to be a success. M-A-Y-B-E we here something at around the E3 because of marketing reasons.

To me it's unlikely to see this game in stores this year. They must start the marketing machine about now to make sure it gets enough hype to set sells records (that's what GTA does best), but that would basically mean cut of MP3 from it's life support, something they definitely wont do until the sales expectations are met and the DLCs are gone aswell.

plus the date you mentioned would be next monday... VERY unlikely considering the fact that we havent heard about this game officially in half a year and basically all we now about is that it exists and where it'll take place

[Larks2242 251]

Just beat Max Payne 3 today, Wonder if they will use the same shooting mechanics in GTA.

[Kifflom112 355]

It's been pretty quiet when it comes to GTA V, we were hoping something would come after Max Payne 3 for PC and or around E3 to gain hype, but I have a feeling that won't happen, which sucks. I have found a site that makes me even more interested in this game: http://www.gtaforums.com/index.php?showtopic=491242&st=0

It analyzes the trailer, but NO, it does not analyze all of the exciting stuff we have already seen over and over. It analyzes the buildings, the locations of the stuff we saw, it analyzes a lot of stuff about the city of LS all from what we saw in that short teaser. I really liked it and it gets my hopes up, maybe you all should check it out.

  Edited May 30, 2012 by Zulu2065  

[Yarahi 1,816]

First gameplay video released... Looks awesome

[simmaster07 1,220]

First gameplay video released... Looks awesome

Say it with me... faaaaaaake.

[Yarahi 1,816]

Got any proof of that???

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Got any proof of that???

just read the highest-rated youtube comment under the video. proof enough?

  Edited June 12, 2012 by GMT  

[Kifflom112 355]

Got any proof of that???

That video looks nothing in any way similar to the trailer, does it?

Plus R* makes really good looking realistic cars like this featured in the trailer:

[Yarahi 1,816]

just read the highest-rated youtube comment under the video. proof enough?

Yeah... Proof that at some point in history people actually believed that the world was flat..

Anyone at the age of 10 or higher (maybe even lower) can make a youtube account and starting pointing out everything as fake..

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just read the highest-rated youtube comment under the video. proof enough?

Yeah... Proof that at some point in history people actually believed that the world was flat..

Anyone at the age of 10 or higher (maybe even lower) can make a youtube account and starting pointing out everything as fake..

and everyone can go ahead and believe everything their shown... I once saw a guy in a red and blue suit doing the tarzan thing all over nyc fighting crime... not to mention that - by your logic - everyone can post a video an claim it to be of GTA just cuz it contains cars and shooting. wonder why this didn't come to mind earlier.

anywaysm I wonder, how can a video of a game that has been shown at E3 2006 (!) and already cancelled again, be of a game that was introduced half a year ago?

jeez buddy, there's plenty more information on the web aswell as videos of Eight Days on youtube, either bother crosschecking them with your video to see what's what or go on and think this is actual game footage of GTA5...

  Edited June 14, 2012 by GMT  

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let's make it a little worse, R* has announced the Max Payne 3 DLC campaign to run until the end of this year... and to add to it, the ESRB has ratings for an end-year PS3 release of GTA3 and VC... oh my...

  Edited June 19, 2012 by GMT  

[bluedragyn 5]

lol if that video is real omg i want want, like some have said gta iv was kind of boring i cant even find it in me to end it and i have all the rest since 3, the weapon swap in that video was nice lol