Remember Daylight Saving tonight.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Spring Ahead tonight. At 2AM

[Sniper296 83]

Still two more weeks here.

[Lucario Boricua 7,026]

That nonsense isn't used on my place (although living in a tropical latitude makes for minimal variance between summer and winter daylight time).

  Edited March 17, 2011 by Dragonxander  

[Craig-Abcvs 1,595]

Happy EST 3.05 am!

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

IMHO, Ben Franklin's least accomplishment. More light for farmers? What drivel. The amount of light is the same. Farmers work from dawn to disk and those with power for lights keep on truckiin'. The twice annual dislocation is just nonsense, and Sir Sanford Fleming is probably rolling over in his grave. Poor Richard should have stuck to his press, and not interfered with the clocks of the world.

I keep one clock, my chronometer, on standard time. It is far to delicate to mess with it for political reasons.

[Strottinglemon 1]

Oh darn, that's one hour of sleep I'm not getting back...

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Oh darn, that's one hour of sleep I'm not getting back...

Sure you will. On November 6th.

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

In England we are thinking of putting the clocks forward 2 hours one spring but only going back 1 hour that Autumn.

It would put Britain in time with Europe.

Currently on June 21st it gets light about 4am and dark about 10pm here in the south-east, December 21st it gets light about 9am and dark about 3pm.

The Scots don't like the idea though.

[Larks2242 251]

Forgot about that, good thing my computer caught it

[Barbarossa 51]

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  Edited September 8, 2012 by Barbarossa  

[Duke87 1,070]

In England we are thinking of putting the clocks forward 2 hours one spring but only going back 1 hour that Autumn.

It would put Britain in time with Europe.

If you look at it from a solar time perspective, the opposite ought to happen: France et. al. should move back to be in time with the UK.

In fact, France was in time with the UK prior to WWII. Then the Nazis shifted it an hour forward to be in time with Germany after they took over, and it was never put back. I guess they like being in a different time zone from the British.

[Superbacon 380]

Completely forgot about it until I noticed my computer jumped forward an hour at 2AM.

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

In England we are thinking of putting the clocks forward 2 hours one spring but only going back 1 hour that Autumn.

It would put Britain in time with Europe.

If you look at it from a solar time perspective, the opposite ought to happen: France et. al. should move back to be in time with the UK.

In fact, France was in time with the UK prior to WWII. Then the Nazis shifted it an hour forward to be in time with Germany after they took over, and it was never put back. I guess they like being in a different time zone from the British.

Most of Europe is on GMT + 1 so France isn't likely to change.

But by Britain changing it will save on Fuel bills as most people are asleep early in the morning, so that daylight is wasted. Whereas many are about in the evening so the extra daylight will mean not putting lights on at all before they go to bed.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Completely forgot about it until I noticed my computer jumped forward an hour at 2AM.

What were you doing on your computer at 0200? If you had been asleep, you would never have noticed.

I take it that everyone uses the Internet to access the time standard and adjust.

[metarvo 710]

I'll just come right out and say I don't like DST. It's a headache to set the clocks on everything which doesn't automatically adjust. Those electronic devices which did adjust before 2007 now adjust wrong so I just turn off the automatic DST on those devices and set them manually. Besides this issue, I don't like losing that hour of sleep, and I kind of like for my morning light to be in the morning.

For what it's worth, even the whole energy saving component of this pseudo-time-travel we do twice a year is debatable. Sure, less electric light is used in the evening, but more is used in the morning to counter this when the sunrise is at 8:00 am on the DST side of either time change. Furthermore, DST increases air conditioning use in hotter climates because many people get home from work when it is hotter than it would have been without DST. It allegedly increases heating use in cooler climates, due to darker mornings. When it gets to be so hot you can fry an egg on the sidewalk, I find myself wishing for an hour less of daylight, not more. Just my §0.02 worth.

  Edited March 15, 2011 by metarvo  

[sneakeypete 16]

Just depends if your a morning person or not really. if you are, there goes an hour of sunlight, if you aren't, you get an extra hour in the afternoon!

Personally i think people should stop being lazy and get up earlier.

They want to bring it in here to bring us in with the rest of the country. However half of Queensland is north of the tropic of capricon. We really do not need day light savings for any other reason. Maybe New south wales should have a split zone in their state instead of us changing.

[Duke87 1,070]

Most of Europe is on GMT + 1 so France isn't likely to change.

But, strictly speaking, western Europe shouldn't be.

But by Britain changing it will save on Fuel bills as most people are asleep early in the morning, so that daylight is wasted.

Um... that's what DST is for.

I take it that everyone uses the Internet to access the time standard and adjust.

I'm pretty sure that Windows doesn't require internet access to make the change, it's programmed internally. Or at least, it has been since Windows 95. I seem to recall that our Windows 3.1 Computer had to be adjusted manually.

Incidentally, I had a computer (XP) where I'd turned off system updates and the time was switching automatically according to the old schedule, not the new extended one.

For what it's worth, even the whole energy saving component of this pseudo-time-travel we do twice a year is debatable. Sure, less electric light is used in the evening, but more is used in the morning to counter this when the sunrise is at 8:00 am on the DST side of either time change.

What you are citing is an example of why DST does not make sense in lower lattitudes. Sunrise at 8 AM isn't an issue for us up here in Connecticut. In the summer here, the sun is up before 6, and that's after DST. We are not turning on extra lights in the morning on account of it.

Furthermore, DST increases air conditioning use in hotter climates because many people get home from work when it is hotter than it would have been without DST.

False. Commercial air conditioning is considerably more demanding on the power grid than residential air conditioning. Better to be cooling your home for that hour than your office. Besides, the cooling load is lessened in the morning.

It allegedly increases heating use in cooler climates, due to darker mornings.

Also false. Cooler climates do not suffer from darker mornings due to DST. Higher latitudes get more daylight in the summer. And you have to get into a pretty cool climate before you're heating in the morning in the summer.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

On the French question, the Longitude of Paris is 2 degrees 20 minutes east. It is most clearly in the GMT time zone which ends at 7 degrees 30 minutes east.

If you want to look at the lat/long table, here it is. Time zones are generally 15 degrees wide, with the zero zone centered on Greenwich. Other decisions are strictly political.

[Barbarossa 51]

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  Edited September 8, 2012 by Barbarossa  

[Duke87 1,070]

Human control isn't necessary. Even a small central AC system will likely have a thermostat that shuts it on and off as needed. More intelligent systems will record temperature trends in addition to instantaneous temperature and react based on where the temperature is going as opposed to just where it is. A good system will be able to react to humidity as well as temperature. And a really good system will automatically vary what percentage of the air is taken from outside according to outside conditions. But, that's fancier stuff that a lot of facilities, especially small facilities, will not have.

Though, at the very least, automation systems, economizers, occupancy sensors, and other snazzy energy saving measures are becoming increasingly common. So, more benefits in the future.

[Easy Bakes 253]

A lot of companies are replacing outdated systems. the energy savings alone in a medium sized building from the old systems to new is worth the expence in most cases.And along with these new systems most have the newer controls that do more then just shut it on and off which saves even more money.

heck even my dad got one of the non tank water heaters when the old one went out.

said it saves about 30/month in electric bills.

[Superbacon 380]

Completely forgot about it until I noticed my computer jumped forward an hour at 2AM.

What were you doing on your computer at 0200? If you had been asleep, you would never have noticed.

I take it that everyone uses the Internet to access the time standard and adjust.

I have an offset sleep schedule, especially on days when I have night classes. I go to bed at 0300 and wake up at 1100. I've been trying to fix it by going to bed earlier each night. At 0200 that night I think I might've been playing an MMO.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I think this topic has run its course. How about we start a new one on modern energy saving appliances like demand water heaters?

Answering myself, it is called Modern Energy Saving Devices.

  Edited March 17, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

On the French question, the Longitude of Paris is 2 degrees 20 minutes east. It is most clearly in the GMT time zone which ends at 7 degrees 30 minutes east.

If you want to look at the lat/long table, here it is. Time zones are generally 15 degrees wide, with the zero zone centered on Greenwich. Other decisions are strictly political.

Of course it's political.

What about Spain, a long way west of zero degrees but still at GMT +1.

Metarvo:

You missed the point, in Britain it's light at 4am in the summer, most people are asleep so no lights would be needed and it's too hot to need any heating.

  Edited March 19, 2011 by Merlin of Flyote  

[metarvo 710]

You missed the point, in Britain it's light at 4am in the summer

That's what I get for living in the southern U.S., I guess, where the "saved daylight" is really lost daylight in the spring and fall mornings and hot daylight in the hot summer evenings. If I understand correctly, you start and end DST at different dates than we do, in addition to the differences in latitude.

  Edited March 19, 2011 by metarvo  

[Merlin of Flyote 8]

You missed the point, in Britain it's light at 4am in the summer

That's what I get for living in the southern U.S., I guess, where the "saved daylight" is really lost daylight in the spring and fall mornings and hot daylight in the hot summer evenings. If I understand correctly, you start and end DST at different dates than we do, in addition to the differences in latitude.

OK that would explain it, we go from last Saturday/Sunday in March (26/27th (2am on Sunday morning)) to the last Saturday/Sunday in October (29/30th).

21st Dec daylight is from 9am to 3pm, 21st June it's 4am to 10pm or thereabouts.

The Spring Eqinox is 21st March now there is more daylight than darkness until the Autumn Equinox.

For reference I live about 24 miles east of Charing Cross, London.

  Edited March 21, 2011 by Merlin of Flyote