The 10,000 Post Thread v2

[Duke87 1,070]

(1501)

Hmm.... so, how common is it for high schoolers in Australia to have jobs on the weekend and/or after school? How common is it for college students in Australia to have jobs during the summer?

I ask because in the US, those positions are common as dirt and quite necessary in order to have any sort of professional career (nobody is going to hire you out of college if you have no work experience), but they usually are paid close to the lowest wages legal. And indeed, positions like these are the most affected when the minimum wage is raised are are the basis for the most common argument against having a minimum wage (that is to say, that students who could be working for $5 an hour instead aren't working and are making $0 an hour thanks to minimum wage laws).

[Frdm920 50]

1501 1502

Really? That for causal? Because I could've sworn min wage was like $12.05/hour. If it's 15 then I'm getting paid too low

Edit: vv Yeah maybe it's for full/part timers then again you possibly also looked up for a different age ($12.05/hour is for 18 year olds)

[astronelson 339]

1503.

Duke87: I'm not sure how common it is. I know a few of my friends in high school had jobs, and I worked as a math tutor for someone for a while. I'm pretty sure it's more common for students to have jobs in university.

Frdm920: $15 might be for full- and part-time, but not casual. I'm not sure. I was going from an ABC article on it. I seem to recall the laws being different for casual. Again, I'm not entirely sure on this point.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

1504

Still this says nothing about a man who claims to be 30 years old in Pennsylvania.

[nathanthemayor 1,262]

1505

30 jobs??

[Duke87 1,070]

(1506)

Well, the laws in the US don't differentiate. Minimum wage is minimum wage, regardless of the age of the employee or the nature of their employment. Although, employers have been known to get around it (and also around taxes) by hiring people "off the books". That is to say, you (illegally) don't report the fact that the employee exists to the IRS and don't officially have them on your payroll. This happens mostly with students (who cannot legally be paid less than minimum wage and earn tax-free) and illegal immigrants (who cannot legally be hired at all).

[Ocram's Razr 964]

1507

I assume he is a non-Latino citizen (by reading his bias in current events) so I would assume that he was paid less than $3/hour as a student although college students are usually officially hired.

By the way, me being alive is a miracle. I once fell off the top of a high ladder when I was a toddler. My mom reminds me that I told her that I saw an angel save me. The likelihood of me falling off that high of a height and not dying was very low. The chances for living a relatively normal life with only scoliosis and kyphosis as results (and obesity as a side result of being overprotected after such a fall) was so low (less than 10%) that a miracle is the best way to describe it.

[astronelson 339]

1508.

What were you doing up a high ladder as a toddler?

[Larks2242 251]

1509.

Toddlers like to walk anywhere they can.

[Duke87 1,070]

(1510)

Still, being able to climb a ladder as a toddler is pretty impressive.

[astronelson 339]

1511.

I've enrolled in my first semester courses. Two physics, one math, and one statistics.

[Frdm920 50]

1512

You're only enrolling now? I had to enrol before I even got my results

[nathanthemayor 1,262]

1513

My courses are the same year-round

[cacks 41]

1514.

The joys of A-Levels, I chose to do Maths, Physics (Maths), Chemistry and Geography. 5 lessons of each a week leaving me with 5 free periods, of which i spend 2 helping people lower down the school with maths

so yeah. I like maths

[Muck308 55]

1515

Originally posted by: Duke87

If you don't mind my asking... what is your job now?quote>

I'm an assistant at a law firm. I do the most random crap you ever heard of. From serving subpoenas to doing maintenance on the building. But I like it for now.

Origianlly posted by: Ilikeseattle

Something he said is false.quote>

 

Um, no. What I said was, minimum wage for servers is $2.83/hour. It's low because servers earn tips. If they earned $7.25/hour plus tips they would make a killing. When I bussed tables my rate was $3.25/hour. It's like that pretty much all over the country (with wages varying of course from state to state.) Although I believe there is a Union in Las Vegas, Nevada and servers there make ~$11.00/hour plus tips.

If you don't tip your server, they don't get paid. Plain and simple. They get a low hourly wage mainly because then they don't have to pay up front for taxes at the end of a shift. When I waited tables I typically got 32 hours/week. At $2.83 that's ~$181.00 for a two week pay period. Nearly all of that is deducted for the taxes a server must pay on the cash and credit card tips they received throughout those two weeks. That's why you tip your server if they did their job properly. And just in case you don't know... the acceptable amount to tip is 20%. Anything less is an insult to the person who just waited on you.

Now, Ilikeseattle, I understand you may have not been privy to this information (about the service industry), but regardless, I don't much care for being called a liar. Even if not in so many words.

Edit: Iikeseattle: I suggest you read this. Specifically, the bit about Tipped Employees.

[Vahr 341]

1516

Alrighty, lets *insert obligatory moderator speech here* (Honestly, all of you should know the stuff, so I won't be repeating it).

It seems I have an unusually light HW load for the first week of school back from break...

[Larks2242 251]

1517.

Watched the Congress introduction in school today.

[Muck308 55]

1518

I think we were both quite civil about that matter.

Moving right along then...

[Chptrk 86]

1519.

Moving on? Okay! Social Distortion is like, and awesome band. Epic, really. <3

[Skimbo 304]

1520

I'm enjoying nice ski holidays

[Vahr 341]

1521

Skiing! <3

Though I can't wait till my rental pass gets authorized, cause then its snowboarding time! (And don't ask which I like better, cause I have no idea)

[Duke87 1,070]

(1522)

Originally posted by: astronelson

I've enrolled in my first semester courses. Two physics, one math, and one statistics.quote>

Statistics doesn't count as math?

Originally posted by: Muck308

And just in case you don't know... the acceptable amount to tip is 20%. Anything less is an insult to the person who just waited on you.quote>

Eh, depends on who's tipping. 20% is the target for adults, but students can get away with something in the 10-15% range. I also wouldn't expect a 20% tip from someone who's obviously got a small income.

[Muck308 55]

1523

Hey, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. But I would never expect 20% from a student anyway. Senior citizens tend to tip 15% and I can't really blame them for it. That's what the norm used to be. But the main reason people under-tip is because they don't know about the minimum wage situation. It irks me to this day and I haven't waited a table since 2006.

[Ocram's Razr 964]

1524

Well, expected tips depend on the amount of stars of the restaurant. 1-3 stars get 15% or less, 4 stars usually have an included 18% gratuity, and 5 stars expect at least 20%. Most of the restaurants I go to are run by Asian or Mexican immigrants and are often self-serve. Taquer

[astronelson 339]

1525.

Tipping isn't a part of Australian culture. Waiters earn at least $15 an hour by law.

Well, except for footy tipping, tips on horses and other bets, and taking things to the tip. That we do a lot.

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: astronelson

I've enrolled in my first semester courses. Two physics, one math, and one statistics.quote>

Statistics doesn't count as math?quote>

No, although STAT2001 does take MATH1014 or MATH1115 as a prerequisite. Statistics comes under the School of Finance, Actuarial Studies and Applied Statistics. Math is a different area entirely (Mathematical Sciences Institute, natch).

[Larks2242 251]

1526.

Wow, i thought everyone tips.

[Frdm920 50]

1527

Nope, as Astro said tipping isn't part of the Australian culture. (With the obvious exceptions listed too true Astro too true )

So of course when Aussies go to a country where tipping is common and get asked "Tip?" it's like "Huh?"

[astronelson 339]

1528.

We know what tipping is, but since we're not used to it, we generally don't do it correctly. A service charge is usually included in restaurant bills. Oh, and all prices include tax. I understand this does not often happen in the US.

[Larks2242 251]

1529.

Correct.

[Frdm920 50]

1530

Oh I didn't mean because we didn't know what it, meant it more as we're rather shocked people actually ask for a tip :\

Yeah what's with not having tax added to the prices on the shelf in the US? If we did that here we'd probably have to give everything away for free as it scans higher than the marked price