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[subedei 3]

Date: 10/14/2005 3:46:50 PM Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 10/14/2005 3:41:25 PM Author: subedei Nah...Oysters are better.    Subedei

quote> Hehe, oysters are delicious. Have you had them fried? I haven't tried them straight out of the shell.... so I wouldn't know about that. But, I'd probably like them, judging from the fact that I like most seafood.

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Straight from the shell is the only way I eat them.

 

 

 

Subedei

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 10/14/2005 3:49:49 PM
Author: subedei
Straight from the shell is the only way I eat them.

Subedei

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I've heard people like them with lemon juice and/or hot sauce? Are they better plain or with one or both of those?

[subedei 3]

Date: 10/14/2005 3:52:15 PM Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 10/14/2005 3:49:49 PM Author: subedei Straight from the shell is the only way I eat them. Subedei

quote> I've heard people like them with lemon juice and/or hot sauce? Are they better plain or with one or both of those?

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 Neither really...only with Beer

 

 

Subedei

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 10/14/2005 3:53:53 PM
Author: subedei

Date: 10/14/2005 3:52:15 PM Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 10/14/2005 3:49:49 PM Author: subedei Straight from the shell is the only way I eat them. Subedei

quote> I've heard people like them with lemon juice and/or hot sauce? Are they better plain or with one or both of those?

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Neither really...only with Beer

Subedei

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Yuck, I hate the taste of alcohol.

But, I'm weird that way.

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 10/14/2005 3:58:24 PM Author: MallowTheCloud Yuck, I hate the taste of alcohol. But, I'm weird that way.

We have a thread for that you know.

[Zelgadis 638]

Date: 10/14/2005 4:29:08 PM
Author: Joesocwork

Date: 10/14/2005 3:58:24 PM Author: MallowTheCloud Yuck, I hate the taste of alcohol. But, I'm weird that way.

We have a thread for that you know.

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Ah yes. Joesocwork's favorite thread. Let's put the weird stuff there and keep the gay stuff here, shall we?

And on that subject, my fiance and I are thinking of getting a pile of Krispy Kreme doughnuts instead of a wedding cake.

Wait, that could go in either thread...

ISF

[Aran 10]

Date: 10/14/2005 4:39:24 PM
Author: zelgadis
And on that subject, my fiance and I are thinking of getting a pile of Krispy Kreme doughnuts instead of a wedding cake.

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Krispy Kreme. Ew. Well, whatever works for you guys I suppose. It's going to look awfully silly with two little groom figures balanced on a stack of doughnuts, though.

[jmusshorn 7]

Date: 10/14/2005 4:39:24 PM Author: zelgadis

Date: 10/14/2005 4:29:08 PM Author: Joesocwork

Date: 10/14/2005 3:58:24 PM Author: MallowTheCloud Yuck, I hate the taste of alcohol. But, I'm weird that way.

We have a thread for that you know.

quote> Ah yes.  Joesocwork's favorite thread.    Let's put the weird stuff there and keep the gay stuff here, shall we?  And on that subject, my fiance and I are thinking of getting a pile of Krispy Kreme doughnuts instead of a wedding cake.  Wait, that could go in either thread... ISF

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My mother actually did that for my step-dad's 40th B-Day! It went off very well, too. I recommend it.

[ephorex_77 0]

mallow, zelgadis: Well, it's a relief to find out that I was being adequately civil in my responses.

joesocwork: Yes, threads with religion and politics (though I have not seen threads with the latter element being controversial) have attracted some flaming before, purely due to the fact that some people that replied were extremely outspoken and stubborn.

 

Seeing as this thread seems to be going smoothly, judging from your comments on our good behaviour , is it at all possible that a positive outcome for the relaxing of the 'no religious and political threads' rule might come about soon?

 

mallow: Thank you for your civil reply mallow; I find the fact that this thread is full of intelligent people and who can reply in the proper fashion rather uplifting.

 

I'm afraid I, like yourself, have to disagree about whether homosexuality is a choice or whether it's an inherent thing, like something hereditary. For me, homosexuality is a choice. Many (can't remember the exact number) friends whom I have asked have expressed an opinion like my own regarding this.

 

I think that jmuss had a link to an article maintaning that homosexuality was indeed gene-linked. I find this rather hard to swallow, because, as one friend put it, it is not evolutionarily advantageous to be attempting to procrete with the similar sex. The current issue of the TIME magazine has also reported plenty of cases where homosexuals have reverted 'back' to being heterosexuals.

 

Of course, seeing as I have never experienced what it is like to be in your shoes, I don't think I can speak from personal experience. But bear in mind, everyone sees things from their own experience. Perchance, there are many homosexuals out there who perhaps feel that their sexuality is a choice. As someone on this thread put it before, sexuality is a diverse thing with varying shades of grey.

 

zalgadis: I understand that you have had a rather difficult time owing to your sexual orientation and your, dare I say it, misfortune to live in such a wildly prejudiced place.

 

I further understand that, according to what you have told me, homosexuality is accepted in Canada. And yes, ST is a Canadian site. However, as you yourself have put it, the fact that this site is Canadian does not necessarily dictate similarity when it comes to the nationality of its members.

 

And also, if homosexuality is accepted in Canada (this being a Canadian site after all), is religion and politics accepted in Canada as well? I'm not a Canadian myself, but I'm rather sure that it is. I would have thought that the origins of this site had nothing to do with this.

 

As is shown with this thread, as long as people have common sense and a civil tongue (and hand), flaming in such a controversy-ridden thread can be kept to a minimum. I'm sure the same would apply to a thread, or even plain discussion on religion or politics.  

 

 

[jmusshorn 7]

I would like to comment on what was said earlier, regarding the genetic incantation of homosexuality. As I said before, there is indeed a study that has been conducted in Sweden (at the Karolinska University) regarding the pheromones of human sweat when administered to gay men and straight women. These two groups of people responded to the male pheromones, while the straight men (also part of the study of course) did not. An article on this can be found here . Also, for credibility, you will notice that this reference was taken from Men's Health Magazine, which is a credible source.

Anyway, the gist of it is that homosexual and heterosexual people's brains are different. The way you react to pheromones (and I've discussed this with an A.P.A. certified psychologist) is part of your genetic imprint and cannot be changed.

~Jamie~

P.S. What about all of the gay animals other than humans? I believe there is a pair of penguins at the New York City Zoo that have been in a monogamous homosexual relationship with each other for nearly ten years. I can find a link to credible sources of such information quickly, should you desire that I do so.

[GingerBlokey 30]

Oh my. All this mention of food and Im just sitting here eating Southern Fried Chciken Flavoured Pot Noodles. I love Crabs, Prawns, Fish and anything from the sea. Especially Cockles and Winkles.

[subedei 3]

Date: 10/15/2005 5:59:57 AM Author: GingerBlokey Oh my. All this mention of food and Im just sitting here eating Southern Fried Chciken Flavoured Pot Noodles. I love Crabs, Prawns, Fish and anything from the sea. Especially Cockles and Winkles.

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 What is cockles and winkles? 

 

 

Subedei

[simonuts 0]

seafood

 

[simonuts 0]

in fact i never tryed seafood

[simonuts 0]

i wonder what i tastes like

[thatmonkeysim 8]

ok stop spamming... not attractive...

[6underground 11]

Cockles ay GB?? Havent had them for years, last time was in Porthcawl i believe

[thatmonkeysim 8]

i still dont know what a cockle is ... ?

[Zelgadis 638]

Ha ha! GB and his crazy British food! Perhaps you need to post in the Hey weirdo! Read this! thread.

@Ephorex_77: Canada does have some religious issues going on here, though not the same as the U.S. The current controversies going on have much to do with the large Muslim community here and the government. But I'm not going to get into that, lest I initiate an inappropriate debate on ST.

Canadian politics is a mess too, ever since the Liberal government got itself into hot water. But again, no details.

And believe me, nobody wants a discussion about Quebec seperatists here.

Still, there have to be rules based on some culture. Since this site was founded in Canada, it seems that the Canadian rules of propriety are the ones that should be followed, I think. But that's up to the administrators.

@jmusshorn: One of my bunnies is a lesbian. I'm almost positive of it. I have three girls and one boy and she's the only one who... well... I'll leave that up to your imagination.

Also, I know this is not on-topic for this thread, but I have to ask. jmusshorn, is it really true what I've heard that Spam is really popular in Hawaii? I've heard that Hawaii is one of the most popular places for Spam, but it just doesn't seem right...

ISF

[GingerBlokey 30]

Cockles and Winkles are basically seafood. Quite slimey but delish.

On the famous market here there are a number of seafood stalls, same on the promonade, real treat.

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 10/15/2005 1:29:41 AM
Author: ephorex_77
mallow: Thank you for your civil reply mallow; I find the fact that this thread is full of intelligent people and who can reply in the proper fashion rather uplifting.

I'm afraid I, like yourself, have to disagree about whether homosexuality is a choice or whether it's an inherent thing, like something hereditary. For me, homosexuality is a choice. Many (can't remember the exact number) friends whom I have asked have expressed an opinion like my own regarding this.

I think that jmuss had a link to an article maintaning that homosexuality was indeed gene-linked. I find this rather hard to swallow, because, as one friend put it, it is not evolutionarily advantageous to be attempting to procrete with the similar sex. The current issue of the TIME magazine has also reported plenty of cases where homosexuals have reverted 'back' to being heterosexuals.

Of course, seeing as I have never experienced what it is like to be in your shoes, I don't think I can speak from personal experience. But bear in mind, everyone sees things from their own experience. Perchance, there are many homosexuals out there who perhaps feel that their sexuality is a choice. As someone on this thread put it before, sexuality is a diverse thing with varying shades of grey.

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I thought that argument might be brought up: 'the fact that some homosexuals have reverted back to heterosexuality means homosexuality must be a choice.'

I believe you must think more deeply about it. Why did they revert to heterosexuality. In every case, I can assure you, it's because of pressure from society.

If there were some surgery in the 1800s that made a black person look white, do you think many would choose to become white? Of course, because of the way they were treated in society at the time, some would like to be treated more equally. And to look white would have achieved that.


Some people dye their hair blonde, because it makes them look more attractive. That doesn't mean their hair color is a 'choice'... it means there are ways to hide it.


The same goes for sexuality. If somebody is pressured by society to become heterosexual to a high enough degree, that person might do so just to stop the pressure. No doubt if you asked those people if they had homosexual tendencies now and then, they'd say emphatically no, because their life has improved and they don't want to have to go back. However, given the biological evidence, I'd assume that they do IN FACT still have gay 'thoughts' (for lack of a better term).



As for your claim that it is not evolutionarily advantageous to be attempting to procrete with the similar sex, I am going to have to call that as bogus as it gets.

If every trait was supposed to be advantageous, then not only would evolution happen extremely fast, but everybody's eye color would be the same, for example. Evolution doesn't state that every trait an animal has is advantageous. I can think of plenty that aren't, some of which everybody has, and some of which vary depending on the person:

Eye color
Hair color
Appendix
Little toe
Connected ear lobes
Widow's peak
Arthritis
Thin skull
Balding
Male nipples
etc, etc, ad infinitum

[Zelgadis 638]

Instead of arguing myself that human sexuality is not a choice, I thought it would be better to present an excerpt from an article from the American Psychological Association.

Here's the link to the article.

And here's the excerpt:

Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?

No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed.


Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?

No. Even though most homosexuals live successful, happy lives, some homosexual or bisexual people may seek to change their sexual orientation through therapy, sometimes pressured by the influence of family members or religious groups to try and do so. The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable.

However, not all gay, lesbian, and bisexual people who seek assistance from a mental health professional want to change their sexual orientation. Gay, lesbian, and bisexual people may seek psychological help with the coming out process or for strategies to deal with prejudice, but most go into therapy for the same reasons and life issues that bring straight people to mental health professionals.

What About So-Called Conversion Therapies?

Some therapists who undertake so-called conversion therapy report that they have been able to change their clients' sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual. Close scrutiny of these reports however show several factors that cast doubt on their claims. For example, many of the claims come from organizations with an ideological perspective which condemns homosexuality. Furthermore, their claims are poorly documented. For example, treatment outcome is not followed and reported overtime as would be the standard to test the validity of any mental health intervention.

The American Psychological Association is concerned about such therapies and their potential harm to patients. In 1997, the Association's Council of Representatives passed a resolution reaffirming psychology's opposition to homophobia in treatment and spelling out a client's right to unbiased treatment and self-determination. Any person who enters into therapy to deal with issues of sexual orientation has a right to expect that such therapy would take place in a professionally neutral environment absent of any social bias.

That sez it all.
ISF

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Wow, thanks a lot for that information from the American Psychological Association.

Here's another one I found VERY interesting:

What Can Be Done to Overcome the Prejudice and Discrimination the Gay Men, Lesbians, and Bisexuals Experience?

Research has found that the people who have the most positive attitudes toward gay men, lesbians and bisexuals are those who say they know one or more gay, lesbian or bisexual person well

[BlackStar 0]

Humans typically fear what they don't know or understand-- hence flying (most fly rarely, alot of people are afraid of it). Homosexuality, although non-comparable to flying is another of those occurances where ppl who don't understand it put a protector (i.e. homophobia) between them and it

 

I could go on, but I make a point

 

BS

[tungston 19]

My simple brain see's things to be more simple.

You choose to be gay because you prefer the same sex, that is the only logical explaination.  No one I know, or have ever heard of, has raised the children to be gay.  I have a hard time believing, because of the negative attitute towards gay's in western society, that anyone would choose to be subjected to that.  Unless the impulse, and desire was overwhelming.

 

I believe that those that say they chose to be gay, know that others have the false belief that if you are gay, you are defective and less than human.  To me it is a cop out not to stand up for what you are with no shame.

[Zelgadis 638]

Date: 10/20/2005 9:32:43 PM
Author: tungston

My simple brain see's things to be more simple.

You choose to be gay because you prefer the same sex, that is the only logical explaination. No one I know, or have ever heard of, has raised the children to be gay. I have a hard time believing, because of the negative attitute towards gay's in western society, that anyone would choose to be subjected to that. Unless the impulse, and desire was overwhelming.

I believe that those that say they chose to be gay, know that others have the false belief that if you are gay, you are defective and less than human. To me it is a cop out not to stand up for what you are with no shame.

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Interesting idea...

If I read this right, you choose to be gay because of your orientation. It's the first time I've ever seen someone separate the concepts of homosexuality and gay. It is an intriguing idea...

ISF

[pipishere 3]

Only just noticed this thread lol!....I'm gay myself..and proud of it!

[radenskloof 0]

Just saw this thread tonight, and wanted to add my 2 cents worth! It started out with with such enthusiasm, and got a bit muddied with people's opinions, and flaming etc. Good to see it right itself.

 

Just thought that I'd out myself too. I am in my late 20s, and just got married to the perfect partner anyone could ask for. It was one of the best days of my life, and was celebrated by our friends and family. It has brough stability and harmony to our home, and validated our relationship in the eyes of our peers and the law (here in Canada) after 4 years together.

 

For all you younger ones out there, my advice to you (from someone who came from a small town/minded area): be true to yourself. It is one thing to lie to others, it is another to lie to yourself. Respect others, but more importantly respect yourself (don't hurt yourself with self destructive behaviour).

 

Like all things in life, there is never an easy path.

 

Being gay is only one part of my life (actually it just defines who I love, not how I think or dress or decorate etc).

 

I also love to play SC4-RH and visit ST..... LOL

 

 

(BTW: a cockles and winkles are basically the same thing. They are like mussels; - shell fish stuck on rocks by the sea!)

[Zelgadis 638]

Yay, two new members!

And I propose that we welcome an honorary member, Mr. George Takei.

*Puts on We Like to Party by Vengaboys

ISF

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