Your political views

[your_adress_here 11]

Originally posted by: manticorefan

I found the political compass to be inaccurate, so I just ignored it. But there does seem to be more left-of-center representation on ST than in the general population for Americans. Also, Ghandi did have some real issues glossed over by history, like his admiration for Hitler. Being close to Ghandi isn't necessarily a good thing.

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Really?

Well, they both had a 'stache...

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: manticorefan

Also, Ghandi did have some real issues glossed over by history, like his admiration for Hitler. quote>

He did write a couple letters to Hitler, addressing him as "my friend". And he did say in one of them that

We have no doubt about your bravery or devotion to your fatherland, nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents.quote>

Of course, you have to remember, Ghandi was chronically incapable of hatred. He loved eveyone unconditionally, and essentially believed that if enough people did so it could end all the evil in the world. So of course he would write a letter to Hitler kindly asking him to cease violence and use his power to promote peace, actually believing it might work. And of course he would implore the victims of the holocaust to praise Hitler as his men killed them with the idea that it would make his heart grow three sizes and have him return all the toys to the little Jews in Jew-ville. The man was a total nut like that.

Even still, he did have some pretty solid and admirable principles, and his "death by love" approach did work at getting India independent.

[Club54 0]

[J. Doe 0]

I consider myself a socialist. Not necessarily with a planned economy though, I favor worker's self-management and social security.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[fukuda 351]

As expected.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[your_adress_here 11]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

I say this calls for a "green square" party! Reds, blues and purples are not welcome, ya killjoys!

Barbarossaquote>

[Duke of York 23]

This just keeps getting more interesting..

[Lyhoko Leaci 770]

I seem to have moved two squares down since the last time I took the test... It has been nearly 3 years, though.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

I consider myself a liberal, but not a social liberal or other 'liberals' who are more like fascists. Rather, I have a more libertarian leaning than most liberals, but I'm not quite a libertarian.

Here's my political compass result:

My test result from OkCupid's Political Test:

From the World's Smallest Political Quiz:

 

Interesting, isn't it?

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

OkCupid's Political Test quote>

Is here, if you want to take it.

Another decent one.

...although it puts me a bit too close to the Democrats for my comfort level.

World's Smallest Political Quizquote>

Here.

Rough, but not eintirely inaccurate:

[Haljackey 17,398]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

OkCupid's Political Test quote>

Is here, if you want to take it.

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I took it.  I'm on the right a bit according to this test.

I was on the left on the last one

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: manticorefan

Also, Ghandi did have some real issues glossed over by history, like his admiration for Hitler. quote>

He did write a couple letters to Hitler, addressing him as "my friend". And he did say in one of them that

We have no doubt about your bravery or devotion to your fatherland, nor do we believe that you are the monster described by your opponents.quote>

Of course, you have to remember, Ghandi was chronically incapable of hatred. He loved eveyone unconditionally, and essentially believed that if enough people did so it could end all the evil in the world. So of course he would write a letter to Hitler kindly asking him to cease violence and use his power to promote peace, actually believing it might work. And of course he would implore the victims of the holocaust to praise Hitler as his men killed them with the idea that it would make his heart grow three sizes and have him return all the toys to the little Jews in Jew-ville. The man was a total nut like that.

Even still, he did have some pretty solid and admirable principles, and his "death by love" approach did work at getting India independent.

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Not every bit of biographical information can be stuffed into a 50 word textbook blurb about someone. It hardly means issues were "glossed over by history". Gandhi's letters to Hitler, as well as his comments on pre-war Jewish persecution from the viewpoint of his nonviolent resistance philosophy, are all well-documented. When you consider that the "your opponents" Duke quoted were Stalinist Russia on one side and imperialist Britain and France on the other, I'd say it would be slightly unrealistic to expect Gandhi to be siding with any of the involved parties.

Accusing the man of "admiration for Hitler" is not very accurate. In the same 1938 publication where he proposed a nonviolent Jewish response to persecution, he also wrote this:

_Source

But the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no parallel in
history. The tyrants of old never went so mad as Hitler seems to have
gone. And he is doing it with religious zeal. For he is propounding a new
religion of exclusive and militant nationalism in the name of which many
inhumanity becomes an act of humanity to be rewarded here and
hereafter. 
The crime of an obviously mad but intrepid youth is being
visited upon his whole race with unbelievable ferocity. If there ever
could be a justifiable war in the name of and for humanity, a war against
Germany, to prevent the wanton persecution of a whole race, would be
completely justified. But I do not believe in any war. A discussion of the
pros and cons of such a war is therefore outside my horizon or province.quote>

Returning to the original topic, my unsurprising test results:

[Duke of York 23]

Well I found this test....It is more of a moral Test....

This was the results....

 

YOUR SCORE

Your scored 7 on Moral Order and -3.5 on Moral Rules.

 

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: PaleoConservatism, Fundamentalism
3. Party: Republican Party
4. Presidents: George W. Bush
5. 04' Election: George W. Bush, Michael Peroutka
6. 08' Election: John McCain

 

Of the 539,839 respondents (9,158 on Facebook):

1. 0% are close to you.
2. 0% are more conservative.
3. 23% are more liberal.
4. 75% are more socialist.
5. 0% are more authoritarian.

If you care to take this test....Here is a direct link..... http://www.moral-politics.com/

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Another decent one.

...although it puts me a bit too close to the Democrats for my comfort level.quote>

Hmm, I appear to be slightly more socially permissive and slightly less economically permissive than you do. But we all have interesting results, and it has been a pleasure viewing them.

Rough, but not eintirely inaccurate:

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Well, I agree with you about the Nolan Chart, but another interesting result.

I took it.  I'm on the right a bit according to this test.

I was on the left on the last one

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Well, from your results, I would say that you're more left-wing. Remember, the y-axis is the economic axis, in this case the upper half being "the right" and the lower half being "the left".

Well I found this test....It is more of a moral Test....

This was the results....

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Ah, I forgot about that one. Here's my result:

 

Your scored -1 on Moral Order and -4 on Moral Rules.

 

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Bill Clinton
5. 04' Election: John Kerry, Michael Badnarik
6. 08' Election: John McCainquote>

For furthur exploration of my results, click here.

Interesting, isn't it? I'd say it was fairly accurate.

[frogface 354]

sounds about right

[fukuda 351]

activist?

[panthersimcity4 162]

lol, I tried the moral order test, and I got this:

Your scored -3.5 on Moral Order and 1.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Socialism

2. Ideology: Social Democratism

3. Party: No match.

4. Presidents: Jimmy Carter

5. 04' Election: David Cobb

6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama

That suprised me! I've never really considered myself THAT liberal... the only thing that left me from being a full-blown liberal was the God question and the one about lifestyles... I consider myself socially conservative and economically liberal...

[Boggy1 45]

I appear to be pretty darn liberal.

Anyway, I've worked out that it isn't what party I support. It's flawed right there, because none of the parties in existence come close to the type of society I would love. Instead, it's better to explain what sort of politoconomy I would support.

So, here we go.

Altruistic pure-communist post-scarcity based economy; decentralized, devolved, nationalized service-structure; egalitarian internally-democratic consensus-based meritocratic benevolent dictatorship

Let's break that down.

Altruistic: Where the deliberate pursuit for the welfare and well being of others and society, without reward, is commonplace.

Pure-communist: Post-socialism as described by Marx, where all people are equal, and have common ownership over production.

Post-scarcity: Where goods, information, and services are practically free; trade and barter are the equivalent forms of tender.

Decentralized: Where decision-making and services are made and produced locally.

Devolved: Where local regions have a high degree of self-automation.

Nationalized: Where the majority of services and companies are wholly publicly owned.

Egalitarian: Where all people are equal, and all people hold the same rights.

Internally-democratic: Where the governance is internally elected through popularity-based means.

Consensus-based: Where decisions are made only if the majority of the community can agree on them.

Meritocratic: Where appointments are made based on merit, ability, and talent.

Benevolent dictatorship: Where a leader excersizes power for the benefit of society and the people.

Awesome, eh?

[Lyhoko Leaci 770]

Hmm.... I remember being just in the Totalitarian sector last time i took this...

I think this one was too short to get a truely accurate position...

And I don't remember ever having taken this test before.

[Duke87 1,070]

Okay, how'd this happen?

...wait, I think I see the problem here. This test gives four sytems of thought, clockwise from top right: authoritarian, conservative, liberal, socialist. Libertarian isn't on there!

I don't think I like this test very much.

[powellinthesouth 0]

Your true political self:

You are a

Social Liberal

(71% permissive)

and an...

Economic Liberal

(33% permissive)

You are best described as a:

Democrat

You exhibit a very well-developed sense of Right and Wrong and believe in economic fairness.    

Edited to fix forum bug.--hym

[fukuda 351]

I'd say forum bug!

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Hm, I removed my post think it was causing the form bug but I guess it wasn't

[Sam 163]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Okay, how'd this happen?

...wait, I think I see the problem here. This test gives four sytems of thought, clockwise from top right: authoritarian, conservative, liberal, socialist. Libertarian isn't on there!

I don't think I like this test very much.

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Don't worry, its on there. It's just a subtype:

Heres my results from these:

SOCIALISM

Socialism is a political system that blends NonConformance and Interdependence:

1. Children are born good and should be nurtured to become productive members of society.
2. Collective initiatives are more effective than individual ones.

Socialism believes society should be organised along social lines for the benefit of all, rather than for what is perceived as the profit of a few [interdependence]. Its key ideas are opposition to capitalism, and a belief in equality, both political and economic [NonConformance].

ACTIVISM

Activism is a moderate form of Moral Socialism.

Activism can be dedicated to many causes: animal rights, environment, civil rights, global poverty...

Activists come in all shapes and form but tend to share the same belief as Socialists regarding Interdependence. They tend to focus social causes that are farther to the left than the mainstream, therefore their position on the chart.

Also included in this category (although maybe with some variations) are:

 

1. Anti-Globalism
2. Greenism

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[Patricius Maximus 236]

Hmm, an odd forum bug. I deleted my post, but it's still there.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: sam

Don't worry, its on there. It's just a subtype:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/sam71/forum%20posts/moral_politics_ideologies.jpgquote>

"Libertarian Socialism"?

Okay, that's contradiction in terms. I still don't like this test.

[Sam 163]

Originally posted by: Duke87

Originally posted by: sam

Don't worry, its on there. It's just a subtype:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/sam71/forum%20posts/moral_politics_ideologies.jpgquote>

"Libertarian Socialism"?

Okay, that's contradiction in terms. I still don't like this test.

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Yeah I didn't get it either. Especially since there was another liberterian in the next quadrant down.

Was that the moral one? I didn't see what was particularly about "morals" in it. Still, it was fun.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Is there anyone, having taken the tests, who didn't 'exhibit a very well-developed sense of right and wrong', and didn't 'believe in economic fairness'?

McCain? Surely they jest.