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[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Well, I watched the first episode.  Interesting.  Our boy seems to have TK amoung other things.

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I gave Merlin another try a couple nights ago and turned it off after 15 minutes from sheer boredom.  This is a series that I just cannot get into.  How did you like it?

[Meg 368]

It's not in the SciFi channel but Spike is showing all of the Star Wars movies today.

They haven't gotten to the good ones yet so you haven't missed anything.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Meg

It's not in the SciFi channel but Spike is showing all of the Star Wars movies today.

They haven't gotten to the good ones yet so you haven't missed anything.quote>

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?

I'm genuinely interested in any fan's opinion on SW.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: blade2k5

Originally posted by: Meg

It's not in the SciFi channel but Spike is showing all of the Star Wars movies today.

They haven't gotten to the good ones yet so you haven't missed anything.quote>

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?

I'm genuinely interested in any fan's opinion on SW.quote>

How Fun: Rate The Star Wars Movies

Just my opnion mind you.

1 Empire Strikes Back

2 Star Wars

3 Revenge Of The Sith 3rd only becuase of the Obi Wan And Aniken fight at the end.

4 Clone Wars

5 Return of the jedi. I cant abide the Eowks

6 Phantom Menace not terrible just the  worst of them

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: blade2k5

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?quote>

The original three.

After waiting years, when the Phantom Menace came out, I would have slapped George Lucas silly but someone had clearly beaten me to it.

The other two were there simply to fill in the holes.   We had to have Attack of the Clones because Luke mentioned the Clone Wars early on.   And Revenge of the Sith had to be what it was to fill in the gaps to get to where the original was.  The only good thing I have to say about it is they spared us an on-screen slaughter of the younglings.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping today's showings have a secondary audio in Spanish.  It would be interesting since I already know what they will be saying.

On a related note, I hear that "Star Wars in Concert" is touring again.  It's worth going if you have been there already.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Originally posted by: blade2k5

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Well, I watched the first episode.  Interesting.  Our boy seems to have TK among other things.

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I gave Merlin another try a couple nights ago and turned it off after 15 minutes from sheer boredom.  This is a series that I just cannot get into.  How did you like it?

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I can take it or leave it.  The plot is not anything like the mythos, and when Merlin met Arthur in the myth, he was already a couple of centuries old, and a curmudgeon to boot.  A Merlin contemporary with the once and future king is rather hokey.

Star Wars:

I like Ewoks.  They are cute. As surprising as the Maori, after whom I think they are modeled.

The best one is the original episode IV with the extended edits and changes.  I like the scene where Han walks all over Jabba.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Meg

Originally posted by: blade2k5

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?quote>

The original three.

After waiting years, when the Phantom Menace came out, I would have slapped George Lucas silly but someone had clearly beaten me to it.

The other two were there simply to fill in the holes.   We had to have Attack of the Clones because Luke mentioned the Clone Wars early on.   And Revenge of the Sith had to be what it was to fill in the gaps to get to where the original was.  The only good thing I have to say about it is they spared us an on-screen slaughter of the younglings.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping today's showings have a secondary audio in Spanish.  It would be interesting since I already know what they will be saying.

On a related note, I hear that "Star Wars in Concert" is touring again.  It's worth going if you have been there already.

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I can only say this, if the prequels had been released in '77, 80' and '83 and the E4-E6 episodes were released in '99, '02 and '05, fans would be whinning and complaining about how bad E4-E6 was and praise the others.  The only reason some fans got a bug up their hind sides is because they didn't get the SW movies they wanted.  Instead, they got exactly what Lucas said we were going to get 30 years ago.  I have to respect a film maker who makes the films he wants to make, not what the rabid fans want.

Anyways, I like all 6 though there are a couple I like less than the others and Empire is one of them.

[L'orignaux inconnu 0]

I saw the original Star Wars when it first came out.  IN fact, a friend and I skipped an afternoon of work to watch it.  We had gone out for lunch to the local mall, and on the way out to the parking lot noticed the posters for the movie.  He looked at me and said "Let's go watch that, there is nothing pending at the office".  I agreed so we went and saw the original, warts and all and were blown away.

The only thing I've ever seen with the same impact of Star Wars is the PBS special advertising the Star Wars in Concert series.  If it ever comes round again, I think I'll try to organize a group to go.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: L'orignaux inconnu

I saw the original Star Wars when it first came out.  IN fact, a friend and I skipped an afternoon of work to watch it.  We had gone out for lunch to the local mall, and on the way out to the parking lot noticed the posters for the movie.  He looked at me and said "Let's go watch that, there is nothing pending at the office".  I agreed so we went and saw the original, warts and all and were blown away.

The only thing I've ever seen with the same impact of Star Wars is the PBS special advertising the Star Wars in Concert series.  If it ever comes round again, I think I'll try to organize a group to go.

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As did I, though I was bit younger than you were at the time and didn't have to worry about a job or any of that stuff.  I went every day that summer to see it, either by myself or with a group of friends and have probably seen Star Wars more than 300 times over the years.  Never get tired of it.

[JanYpe 17]

Originally posted by: blade2k5

Originally posted by: Meg

Originally posted by: blade2k5

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?quote>

The original three.

After waiting years, when the Phantom Menace came out, I would have slapped George Lucas silly but someone had clearly beaten me to it.

The other two were there simply to fill in the holes.   We had to have Attack of the Clones because Luke mentioned the Clone Wars early on.   And Revenge of the Sith had to be what it was to fill in the gaps to get to where the original was.  The only good thing I have to say about it is they spared us an on-screen slaughter of the younglings.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping today's showings have a secondary audio in Spanish.  It would be interesting since I already know what they will be saying.

On a related note, I hear that "Star Wars in Concert" is touring again.  It's worth going if you have been there already.

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I can only say this, if the prequels had been released in '77, 80' and '83 and the E4-E6 episodes were released in '99, '02 and '05, fans would be whinning and complaining about how bad E4-E6 was and praise the others.  The only reason some fans got a bug up their hind sides is because they didn't get the SW movies they wanted.  Instead, they got exactly what Lucas said we were going to get 30 years ago.  I have to respect a film maker who makes the films he wants to make, not what the rabid fans want.

Anyways, I like all 6 though there are a couple I like less than the others and Empire is one of them.

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I couldn't agree less, but maybe we saw different prequels or something. 

If E1 to E3, the E1-E3 I saw anyway, had been released first, E4-E6 would never have been made and George Lucas would have been tarred, feathered and kicked out of Hollywood. The first Star Wars was a good movie because it was made before Lucas had the pretentious idea he should make a Space Epic in nine parts. Empire and Jedi were better movies than the first one, in my opnion,  as he let others do the directing. What Lucas proved with the prequels is that he couldn't direct traffic, let alone a movie. Three prequel episodes that consist solely of:

• Massive overuse of CGI
• Characters sitting around, explaining the plot to eachother.
• George Lucas desperately trying to tie all the loose ends together to provide continuity with Episodes 4, 5 & 6.

That's not fans complaining, that's just bad movie making.

[L'orignaux inconnu 0]

@JanYpe: What I think you are accusing George Lucas of is pot boiling.  When I was growing up and the movies were mostly in black and white, there was no TV, and radio was for hocky games on Saturday night, we read a lot of books.  One of the worst things you could tell a friend about a book you just read is that it was a pot boiler.  Thinly plotted blather by the author, pushed by the publisher, to get some more ink before the readers.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: JanYpe

Originally posted by: blade2k5

Originally posted by: Meg

Originally posted by: blade2k5

And just what might the 'good ones' be in your opinion?quote>

The original three.

After waiting years, when the Phantom Menace came out, I would have slapped George Lucas silly but someone had clearly beaten me to it.

The other two were there simply to fill in the holes.   We had to have Attack of the Clones because Luke mentioned the Clone Wars early on.   And Revenge of the Sith had to be what it was to fill in the gaps to get to where the original was.  The only good thing I have to say about it is they spared us an on-screen slaughter of the younglings.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping today's showings have a secondary audio in Spanish.  It would be interesting since I already know what they will be saying.

On a related note, I hear that "Star Wars in Concert" is touring again.  It's worth going if you have been there already.

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I can only say this, if the prequels had been released in '77, 80' and '83 and the E4-E6 episodes were released in '99, '02 and '05, fans would be whinning and complaining about how bad E4-E6 was and praise the others.  The only reason some fans got a bug up their hind sides is because they didn't get the SW movies they wanted.  Instead, they got exactly what Lucas said we were going to get 30 years ago.  I have to respect a film maker who makes the films he wants to make, not what the rabid fans want.

Anyways, I like all 6 though there are a couple I like less than the others and Empire is one of them.

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I couldn't agree less, but maybe we saw different prequels or something. 

If E1 to E3, the E1-E3 I saw anyway, had been released first, E4-E6 would never have been made and George Lucas would have been tarred, feathered and kicked out of Hollywood. The first Star Wars was a good movie because it was made before Lucas had the pretentious idea he should make a Space Epic in nine parts. Empire and Jedi were better movies than the first one, in my opnion,  as he let others do the directing. What Lucas proved with the prequels is that he couldn't direct traffic, let alone a movie. Three prequel episodes that consist solely of:

• Massive overuse of CGI
• Characters sitting around, explaining the plot to eachother.
• George Lucas desperately trying to tie all the loose ends together to provide continuity with Episodes 4, 5 & 6.

That's not fans complaining, that's just bad movie making.

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FYI, he always intended to do six films and there was never [key word here] any plans for 9 films.  Where you people get this 9 film idea I have no idea because going all the way back to when Empire was released, he even said he had planned to do 6 films, never once did I ever see in print or hear from his mouth there was 9 films planned and trust me, I scooped up everything even remotely related to Lucas or Star Wars back in those days. I still believe this all boils down to so-called fans not getting what they percieved they would get.  One rule I live by is never critique something you couldn't do better.  It's sound advice.

[Barbarossa 51]

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[Odainsaker 2,137]

Oh, wherefore art thou Anakin?  "We live in the real world.  Come back to it.  Your'e studying to become a Jedi; I...I'm a Senator."

I howl every time at that deadpan line...it is for me probably the worst in the saga and the one truly memorable line from the prequels.  The horror is, while I suspect it was deliberately written to be tongue-'n'-cheek, the gawd-awful hackneyed delivery makes me wonder if the actors and director earnestly believed it.  If only we could, as Vader at the ends laughably parodies Young Frankenstein's monster, get Natalie Portman to portentiously intone, "and how can this be...for he is the Kwisatz Haderach!"

The rub salt in the wound, Lucas has edited the 4,5 and 6...Vader in 5 now spills the beans about parenting to the Emperor well before we reach the signature moment in Cloud City.  Noooooo!  Apparently, we indeed are now meant to watch the saga in order of 1,2,3,4,5, and 6, which is not how the series is culturally best experienced.  Indeed, you lose context and the impact of foreshadowing in the prequels if you watch them before the original triliogy.

Ah well...I must admit, I started watching "Gintama," a series which had the backdrop of a sci-fi historical fantasy...feudal samurai Japan, in the closing Shogunate years of the 1860s, when the Black Ships of the aliens from outer space land in Edo and conquer everything in sight.  What?!?  Aliens in kimono, geisha wigs with space antennas, and topknotted samurai in flying saucers???  I should have seen that this was actually a crazy anime satire.
 

[blade2k5 1,523]

I don't see movies as an artform, it's purely an entertainment form, nothing more. If a film doesn't entertain, it ain't worth the film it's printed on and I won't waste my time with it. Also, I never said the prequels were as good as the originals, but they weren't as bad as some make them out to be. My point is, expectations were so high when Phantom was released, that even God couldn't have delivered on those expectations. So in retrospect, I can't blame Lucas for making the movies he wanted to make and not what the fans wanted. And for reference, I'll list them in order of my favorites so all of you know where I stand on the series.

1. Star Wars '77

2. Revenge Of The Sith '05

3. Clones '02

4. Empire '80 [the most boring of the six except for the duel between Luke & Vader, but that doesn't make up for the rest of the film]

5. Jedi '83

6. Phantom '99 [agree that Jar Jar got way too much screentime which could have gone to Darth Maul instead]

Blade, I do, in all honesty and friendliness...quote>

I do appreciate that...

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Blade, I am truly sorry that somewhere in your getting to where you are, you missed out on the concept that art is entertainment, and that entertainment is art.  Further, Marshall McLuan was right.  The medium is the message, and the audience/reader is the story.

A lot of artists put their guts and futures on the line in making Star Wars I.  And it is a turkey.  {Have another slice?  We have ewok gravy.}  And by artists I mean not only the graphics guys, but the cinematographers, actors, and gasp, even the director. Now you could say that Lucas was boredly doing what he had promised, and he shoull not have kept the promise.  However, I think he was just cynical.  In 1977 he could have written his own ticket to fame, and he did.  Now that you are on top of the heap, there is no place left to go but down, and you see what a slide he took.

Watch out!  Art is not aways labelled art.  The bulletin boards you see on highway trips are art.  Do they still have the little Burma Shave series?  Those were/are a hoot.

[blade2k5 1,523]

I haven't missed anything my friend from up north. I understand perfectly why 'some' think film is art, but you see, that's their opinion and not one I share. To me, it's just another form of entertainment, some good, some bad, just like art in an art museum.

[blade2k5 1,523]

For anyone that cares, Sci-Fi announced at Comic Con that Caprica will return in January, a full 9 months after the first half of the season ended.  I tell ya, those pinheads at Sci-fi sure know how to kill any chance this series may have had.  "We're behind this series 100%"  Yeah, right.   Also rumored that Sci-Fi is going bankrupt, so if that happens, and I hope it does, then maybe we can get a 'real' Sci-Fi channel.

Also, the rumor is true.  Legendary Pictures and Toho studios are going to make a big-budjeted Godzilla film and just unleashed the design for the new Godzilla at Comic Con, coming to theaters in either 2012 or 2013. 

Here's what he'll look like this time around...

Looking forward to this.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Now that's a really good looking godzilla.  Much better than the godmommy they had in the New York flick.

I still like the orginal Godzilla flick with Raymond Burr as one of the not to bright Americans.  But then, I also like the "insects" in Rodan, the Flying Monster.  Too bad about the hokey ending.  The Japanese always sugar coat the endings.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Mabey if Sci Fi stoped makeing crap they wouldn't be going bankrupt.

Ever check out their saturday & Sunday movie line ups? Blech, nothing but the stuff they have made, and not even the good stuff. Actualy makes me miss Flash Gorden.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

Now that's a really good looking godzilla.  Much better than the godmommy they had in the New York flick.

I still like the orginal Godzilla flick with Raymond Burr as one of the not to bright Americans.  But then, I also like the "insects" in Rodan, the Flying Monster.  Too bad about the hokey ending.  The Japanese always sugar coat the endings.

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It's also being produced by the director of Godzilla Vs. The Smog Monster and Toho is having the project supervised by an original Godzilla director. Which is very good.  Those two blathering idiots [Roland Emerich and Dean Devlin] who made Godzilla '98 are thankfully not involved with this.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

You know, the interesting thing is that in the original godzilla flick, they killed him.  He was reduced to a skeleton.  Any subsequent lizard must be a reincarnation.  I like this new one.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: A Nonny Moose

You know, the interesting thing is that in the original godzilla flick, they killed him.  He was reduced to a skeleton.  Any subsequent lizard must be a reincarnation.  I like this new one.quote>

Let me clear that up for you as I was confused by that for many years.  From what Toho has said, every film after the 1954 debut are set in a different timelines except for Godzilla 1984  which is a direct sequel to the 1954 Godzilla.   Godzilla Vs. Destroyah [1995 or 1996] is a direct sequel to Godzilla 1984 where the oxygen destoyer weapon that was used to kill Godzilla in 1954 created a nearly indestuctable monster which killed Jr. Godzilla and eventually killed Godzilla, but not before Big G breathed his lifeforce into Jr who was reborn as the new Godzilla, bigger, badder and more powerfull.

Rather confusing at times, but that's the jist of it.

[Easy Bakes 253]

If you had giving me a million chances i would never have guessed we would get a  history of Godzilla

on Simtropolis.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

If you had giving me a million chances i would never have guessed we would get a  history of Godzilla

on Simtropolis.quote>

But you would have guessed on 1,000,001 chances right?  Considering I own nearly all 27 films on dvd, plus a few other Toho releases, just thought I'd help NM out with that.

[Easy Bakes 253]

27? and i thought i had seen most of the them over the years.

Smog monter,mechagodzilla,King of the monsters, King Kong, the one with the 3 headed dragon and the giant turtle.

are the ones i  remember.

 

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

27? and i thought i had seen most of the them over the years.

Smog monter,mechagodzilla,King of the monsters, King Kong, the one with the 3 headed dragon and the giant turtle.

are the ones i  remember.quote>

That would be Gamera  Godzilla and Gamera have never been in a film together, but it would be kinda cool if they ever did.  Oh, the three headed dragon is King Ghidora, Big G's deadliest nemesis, though KG has never won a fight against Godzilla.  If you like campy fun, I recommend you check out those Big G films you haven't seen yet.  If you like, I can PM you a list to help you out.

[Easy Bakes 253]

I for some reason i a;ways thought this place reminded me of Gamera. Need someone to photoshop cowboys stadum as Gamera

[Barbarossa 51]

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[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: Barbarossa

I had a Ro-dan toy when I was kid. It was awesome. Yep, I miss that toy, 30yrs later.

Barbarossaquote>

Lucky you  Back when I was a kid, they didn't have cool toys like that, all we had were Tonka Trucks, hoola-hoops, slinkys, plastic soldiers, Hot Wheels & Matchbox toy cars and models.  That's probably why I spent most of my childhood outside from sun-up to sundown and covered in dirt from head to foot.