A Venezuela/Colombia war brewing?

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

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Castro's demon offspring is at it again. Keep in mind, the FARC controls the cocaine manufacturing and distribution in Colombia according to National Geographic and many other sources. They tax and nurture it to support a leftist insurgency that has claimed thousands of lives over the years.

Right or left, not many people have love for Chavez, even in his own country.

[Duke87 1,070]

Interesting how this comes just a few days after Ahmadnejad proclaiming Iran master country of the world. I guess self-centered insanity is contagious.

Or, as they say "monkey see, monkey do".

If he tries anything , it'll just be a FARCing disaster.

(sorry, that acronym was begging to punnified)

[amal81 3]

This 'Axis of evil' will plunge the world in to WW3.

Iran and Venezuela could be backed by China...and there you have it perfect recipe for a World war.

[fukuda 351]

Colombia bombed a FARC base at 2kms inside Ecuadoran land...

This is part of the everlasting FARC Vs Paramilitars (Uribe-backed) battle for drug control ...

No civilians nor civil infrastructures were aimed, and I'm not going to cry for FARC terrorists guerrilas ...

[toxicpiano 125]

Venezuela provides oil to London's transport system because our mayor is a communist. He's also a crook, but I mentioned that before.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: toxicpiano Venezuela provides oil to London's transport system because our mayor is a communist. He's also a crook, but I mentioned that before.quote>

The communist US gets even cheaper oil from Venezuela.

[BurroDiablo 222]

While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.

Toxicpiano - I understand that Ken Livingston is a crook, he is by no means a communist.... he's just another evironmentally crazed politician out to make motorists lives hell... its called 'Labour'

Although, i've noticed when people disagree with him he's quick to insult them, call them a fascist and what not... which brings us full circle to the Chavez mentality.

[toxicpiano 125]

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.

Toxicpiano - I understand that Ken Livingston is a crook, he is by no means a communist.... he's just another evironmentally crazed politician out to make motorists lives hell... its called 'Labour'

Although, i've noticed when people disagree with him he's quick to insult them, call them a fascist and what not... which brings us full circle to the Chavez mentality.quote>

His nickname is "Red Ken" you know. In the eighties he was exceptionally left wing in some cases. Perhaps no so much any more but that is the name that he will have for a long time.

[TheQuiltedLlama 34]

And what's more, he's probably the best mayor London has ever had.

As for Chávez, for all his faults, he has at least begun to steps to reduce the massive divide  between the rich and the poor in Venezuela.

[patriots_1228 51]

krbe-i hope that communist US thing was suppose to be a joke.

couple of rednecks see that and they might kill you

shows you how seriously people here take the "C" word.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 krbe-i hope that communist US thing was suppose to be a joke.

couple of rednecks see that and they might kill you

shows you how seriously people here take the "C" word.quote>

Yeah, and the problems these guys have with coherent thoughts (or reading?). The world is a little more complicated than that.

(But if they (and any other) really need an explanation, because they're a) too lazy to read the comment to which I replied, and b) too lazy to even skim the Time article I linked to, here it comes: If Red Ken (who is not a communist) is a communist for getting cheap oil from Venezuela, then the US entities responsible for buying subsidised heating fuel from Venezuelan company Citgo are communist (which includes Philadelphia, Boston, the Bronx and cities in Maine, Vermont and Rhode Island), too (who can blame politicians for taking advantage of cheap oil? If American companies aren't interested in helping out, but Citgo is, you go to Citgo). Constituents can't feel the difference between Venezuelan and American oil (or even that Saudi stuff, if that's better than being a communist?), wether they be Londoners, rednecks or just people who need cheap oil.)

And the rednecks should read a bit about Communism and Citgo (beyond the fact that they are a NASCAR sponsor) instead of killing me because I accidentally am standing on their lawn.

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.quote>

Probably been enouraged by the Turkish strikes inside a US-occupied Iraq. It gives them some legitimacy when crossing borders when the Turks are allowed to continue.

Originally posted by: TheQuiltedLlama As for Chávez, for all his faults, he has at least begun to steps to reduce the massive divide  between the rich and the poor in Venezuela.quote>

But it's not going fast enough for him; last example is the literacy rate, which they changed from >99% to 96% after they found out that his folks were cheating with the numbers (still better than before though, but in part because the old illiterates dies off).

[BurroDiablo 222]

Originally posted by: toxicpiano

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.

Toxicpiano - I understand that Ken Livingston is a crook, he is by no means a communist.... he's just another evironmentally crazed politician out to make motorists lives hell... its called 'Labour'

Although, i've noticed when people disagree with him he's quick to insult them, call them a fascist and what not... which brings us full circle to the Chavez mentality.quote>

His nickname is "Red Ken" you know. In the eighties he was exceptionally left wing in some cases. Perhaps no so much any more but that is the name that he will have for a long time.quote>

Yeah, I know that... unfortunately, during the eighties the USSR was on the verge of collapse so it was suited to make fun of leftist politicians whom people hated by calling them 'Commies'... It made them seem like failures. These days, its just a tired term that people use to discribe lefties even though they know little or nothing about it... they only know that a few billion people were killed and John Lennon started it off... peoples perception of Communism has been skewed so much it resembles a slinky.

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.quote>

Probably been enouraged by the Turkish strikes inside a US-occupied Iraq. It gives them some legitimacy when crossing borders when the Turks are allowed to continue.quote>

Would they have struck if Iraq wasn't in a state of mild Anarchy though? I'm sure if Saddam were still around he would have been more than happy to do Turkey and favour and fill the PKK's lungs full of Sarin.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: toxicpiano Venezuela provides oil to London's transport system because our mayor is a communist. He's also a crook, but I mentioned that before.quote>

The communist US gets even cheaper oil from Venezuela.quote>

And that is why several members of my family refuse to buy gas from Citgo, regardless of whether or not they have the lowest price around. I'd join them in that endeavor, but I don't own a car, so.....

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

This just in... FARC may have been involved in the sale of uranium. The whole story is here.

And before there are any anti-Bush tangents or rants, this info came from the raided camp and not the White House.

[Gabo72 0]

Originally posted by: TheQuiltedLlama And what's more, he's probably the best mayor London has ever had.

As for Chávez, for all his faults, he has at least begun to steps to reduce the massive divide  between the rich and the poor in Venezuela.quote>

 

First of all, greetings from Venezuela. It's been really surprising to read you commenting on this topic which, as I can see, is being seen around the world with some attention.

I must say, though, there have always been terrible missunderstandings about Chavez's government around the world being that for sure as a consequence of the huge amount of "propaganda" displayed all over the planet by the very useful oil dollars.

Chavez's government, contrary to what this "propaganda" might say, hasn't improved not even a little, the living conditions of my fellow citizens. During his government everything has gone down including the four largest company in the world, PDVSA (the national oil company) as long as thousands of other enterprises and businesses in the country.  Crime has dramatically increased and, up to the moment, in his long (and eternal) period of government ,100,000 (one hundred thousand) people have been assasinated in hands of criminals; we're lacking of simple stuff like milk, cooking oil, sugar, coffee and it's been announced taht we're going to start having programmed blackouts due to the lack of investement in the (as most of the big companies) nationalized electric companies in the country.

To summarize, Chavez used to be a very popular guy, especially among the poorest people in the shanty towns surrounding our big cities but, since October 2007 when the King of Spain shut him up in a Presidential meeting, his "aura" has started to decline . This situation has, been agravated with the loss of a referendum which might have changed our constitution towards a Comunist regime in December and the neverending confrontational style that is so characteristic from him. So, guees what: What's better to raise the "national spirit" than a good war?.... The problem is that there is no "casus belli". We'd be fighting a war defending the terrorists from the FARC and 95% of the population is obviously against such an alternative. In fact, you'd be amazed of finding out that in the big cities in my country nobody really paid attention to that 'cause us, unlike the rest of the world are already used to the stupidity of our "leader", who, if keeps on behaving that way, will soon be kicked out of the Presidency. 

Sorry for my English, (shame on me) but it's not my native language.

[xedgarfx 0]

hello to everyone, Im from Bogota, Colombia...let me tell you how things are been seeing from here. Today the news stated that the country apologized formally for the attack in Ecuador. Right now I dont remember the number of the resolution, but after 911...the UN changed the rules of the game a bit, regarding actions taken against terrorist groups. So in this case the goal was to take down one of the top commanders of the guerrillas. The colombian government recovered 3 computers from the rebel base, they discovered pictures and documents linking FARC with Ecuador and Venezuela...as follows...Mr. Larrea from Ecuador visited the camp and had various meetings with Raul Reyes. Venezuela gave $300 million to FARC, they also send used machine guns...one critical point stated was that FARC gace $100 million to Chavez when he was imprisoned. Yeah is true what the news said today, FARC had a deal regarding 50kg of uranium, the government still has no idea whats the final use they have for it. Its true what Gabo72 states previously about Chavez and the need of a war to pump up his image, but really I dont think Venezuela should be getting involved cause Colombia entered Ecuador not Venezuela.

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Thank you both for your insight into the situation. I am always happy to have an insider's perspective. Please keep us updated!

[toxicpiano 125]

Originally posted by: El Burro

Originally posted by: toxicpiano

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.

Toxicpiano - I understand that Ken Livingston is a crook, he is by no means a communist.... he's just another evironmentally crazed politician out to make motorists lives hell... its called 'Labour'

Although, i've noticed when people disagree with him he's quick to insult them, call them a fascist and what not... which brings us full circle to the Chavez mentality.quote>

His nickname is "Red Ken" you know. In the eighties he was exceptionally left wing in some cases. Perhaps no so much any more but that is the name that he will have for a long time.quote>

Yeah, I know that... unfortunately, during the eighties the USSR was on the verge of collapse so it was suited to make fun of leftist politicians whom people hated by calling them 'Commies'... It made them seem like failures. These days, its just a tired term that people use to discribe lefties even though they know little or nothing about it... they only know that a few billion people were killed and John Lennon started it off... peoples perception of Communism has been skewed so much it resembles a slinky.

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: El Burro While Columbia has every right to target guerilla threats to its country, I don't think it should abuse the fact its backed by the US to strike inside other countries like this. Chavez on the other hand... he's just paranoid as usual.quote>

Probably been enouraged by the Turkish strikes inside a US-occupied Iraq. It gives them some legitimacy when crossing borders when the Turks are allowed to continue.quote>

Would they have struck if Iraq wasn't in a state of mild Anarchy though? I'm sure if Saddam were still around he would have been more than happy to do Turkey and favour and fill the PKK's lungs full of Sarin.quote>

Maybe I should have been more blatant about my use of hyperbole in the first post It seems ironic that the Bolsheviks came to London to host their second congress of the RSDLP, but the city is now a beacon of capitalism and financial success.

[patriots_1228 51]

Does this mean my Red Sox are communist?

lol. Twenty bucks says that by the end of his term Bush manages to get the remaining US troops into columbia and venezuela.

[krbe 193]

Well, communist Citgo and as good as communist Volvo... This is bad!

[Simfan34 11]

Originally posted by: Gabo72 textquote>

Originally posted by: xedgarfx text quote>

Indeed, thank you for your insight- stuff like this makes Simtropolis great.

Now, in my opinion, Chavez is just a sabre-rattling madman who wants to bring attention to himself by involving Venezuela in a war that's he's trying hard to start.

Have any of you folks in the US seen those CITGO commercials about how they're providing heat to poor families while trying to slam the Bush administration? And while saying "this is not a political issue"?

And last time I checked, Sweden wasn't communist.

[BurroDiablo 222]

Originally posted by: toxicpianoMaybe I should have been more blatant about my use of hyperbole in the first post It seems ironic that the Bolsheviks came to London to host their second congress of the RSDLP, but the city is now a beacon of capitalism and financial success.quote>

Acctually it was their Fifth I think London had some significance with Marxists back then because thats where he died... these days, as you said, London is one of the most financially successful cities in the world so its not exactly a Marxist shrine.

Originally posted by: Simfan34And last time I checked, Sweden wasn't communist. quote>

Sweden, like most of the Scandinavian countries, has found the perfect middle ground. Obviously they are not without problems, but Sweden, Finland and Norway are 175, 176 & 177 on the failed states index making them the most stable countries in the world.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: Simfan34 And last time I checked, Sweden wasn't communist. quote>

Maybe not communist, but the social democratic Sweden's "People('s) Home", where consensus seems to be its most important feature, isn't that good for dissenting voices. There is tremendous difference between Denmark and Sweden (even Norway and Sweden) regarding the importance of consensus views.

Originally posted by: Simfan34 Have any of you folks in the US seen those CITGO commercials about how they're providing heat to poor families while trying to slam the Bush administration? And while saying "this is not a political issue"?quote>

Well, as I said earlier, constituents can't feel the difference between burning American, Saudi or Venezuelan oil, but they certainly can feel the thickness of their wallets. If a Venezuelan bookstore would sell me my books for USD 60 instead of USD 100, I'd rather buy them from the Venezuelan one—especially since I'm a poor student.

[Haljackey 17,398]

Well, a vision of WWIII with the "Axis of Evil" does sound a little, shall we say, possible?

-North Korea has proven it has nuclear weapons and can fire them short/medium range. This puts South Korea (short) and Japan (medium) at risk.

-Iran thinks its the #1 power in the world. I don't know what it can do, but they could cross the boarder into Iraq and fight the Americans there. Remember they control oil too.

-Cuba has a new leader. What will the new Castro do?

-Venezuela is now being quite aggressive, and controls oil like was mentioned.

-Libya has been quiet in the news, but who knows what they are doing with biological weapons? This could threaten Egypt and southern Europe.

-Saudi Arabia now not only controls a lot of oil, but a large and modern armed force. This could be a threat if put into action.

-China has the largest military force in the world, and countless resources at its disposal. If they support one or more of the nations above, this could easily turn into a global conflict.

Did I miss anything? I hope this Colombia/Venezuela war doesn't happen because it could turn into something worse.

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: haljackey I hope this Columbia/Venezuela war doesn't happen because it could turn into something worse.

quote>

A ColUmbia - Venezuela war would certainly be bad.

[patriots_1228 51]

Originally posted by: haljackey Well, a vision of WWIII with the "Axis of Evil" does sound a little, shall we say, possible?

-North Korea has proven it has nuclear weapons and can fire them short/medium range. This puts South Korea (short) and Japan (medium) at risk.

-Iran thinks its the #1 power in the world. I don't know what it can do, but they could cross the boarder into Iraq and fight the Americans there. Remember they control oil too.

-Cuba has a new leader. What will the new Castro do?

-Venezuela is now being quite aggressive, and controls oil like was mentioned.

-Libya has been quiet in the news, but who knows what they are doing with biological weapons? This could threaten Egypt and southern Europe.

-Saudi Arabia now not only controls a lot of oil, but a large and modern armed force. This could be a threat if put into action.

-China has the largest military force in the world, and countless resources at its disposal. If they support one or more of the nations above, this could easily turn into a global conflict.

Did I miss anything? I hope this Colombia/Venezuela war doesn't happen because it could turn into something worse.quote>

 

Its posts like these that make me hope somthing really good is happening down at area 5.1.

-I'd like to beleive we have some incredible techonlogies in the development that will keep us on top.

[Frankie_Grove 32]

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228couple of rednecks see that and they might kill youquote>

And the rednecks should read a bit about Communism and Citgo (beyond the fact that they are a NASCAR sponsor) instead of killing me because I accidentally am standing on their lawn.quote>

We do read about Communism, and we get our gas from BP or Shell (I haven't even seen a Citgo station in years). Sometimes we just use our corn alcohol, or maybe moonshine. And we only kill people on the spot for stereotyping.

[toxicpiano 125]

Originally posted by: patriots_1228

Originally posted by: haljackey Well, a vision of WWIII with the "Axis of Evil" does sound a little, shall we say, possible?

-North Korea has proven it has nuclear weapons and can fire them short/medium range. This puts South Korea (short) and Japan (medium) at risk.

-Iran thinks its the #1 power in the world. I don't know what it can do, but they could cross the boarder into Iraq and fight the Americans there. Remember they control oil too.

-Cuba has a new leader. What will the new Castro do?

-Venezuela is now being quite aggressive, and controls oil like was mentioned.

-Libya has been quiet in the news, but who knows what they are doing with biological weapons? This could threaten Egypt and southern Europe.

-Saudi Arabia now not only controls a lot of oil, but a large and modern armed force. This could be a threat if put into action.

-China has the largest military force in the world, and countless resources at its disposal. If they support one or more of the nations above, this could easily turn into a global conflict.

Did I miss anything? I hope this Colombia/Venezuela war doesn't happen because it could turn into something worse.quote>

 

Its posts like these that make me hope somthing really good is happening down at area 5.1.

-I'd like to beleive we have some incredible techonlogies in the development that will keep us on top.quote>

Like alphabet spaghetti in the shape of numbers!

[krbe 193]

Originally posted by: Frankie_Grove

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228couple of rednecks see that and they might kill youquote>

And the rednecks should read a bit about Communism and Citgo (beyond the fact that they are a NASCAR sponsor) instead of killing me because I accidentally am standing on their lawn.quote>

We do read about Communism, and we get our gas from BP or Shell (I haven't even seen a Citgo station in years). Sometimes we just use our corn alcohol, or maybe moonshine. And we only kill people on the spot for stereotyping.quote>

If you had just used petrol instead of alcohol to fuel your car, Citgo would have less poor to sponsor...

But this means that it's patriots that's going to be shot, and not me?

This woman then? Apparently it's legal to shoot people that are on your premises without authorisation in Texas (since 1st Jan).

Originally posted by: patriots_1228 Its posts like these that make me hope somthing really good is happening down at area 5.1. quote>

I wouldn't trust state security to Dr. Vu.

[The Boy 0]

Originally posted by: Frankie_Grove

Originally posted by: krbe

Originally posted by: patriots_1228couple of rednecks see that and they might kill youquote>

And the rednecks should read a bit about Communism and Citgo (beyond the fact that they are a NASCAR sponsor) instead of killing me because I accidentally am standing on their lawn.quote>

We do read about Communism, and we get our gas from BP or Shell (I haven't even seen a Citgo station in years). Sometimes we just use our corn alcohol, or maybe moonshine. And we only kill people on the spot for stereotyping.quote>

Same here, my parents get gas at shell, when ever they can... I love it how liberals don't know the difference between rednecks and republicans, when theres a huge one. Theres a ton of citgo stations around here though.