They hate ... everything about everyone

[jammy 0]

I cant believe these people. The westboro baptist church hate everyone and as an excuse they throw in there 'god'. since when has god hated everything.

PLEASE VISIT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church 

they hate GLBT people, America, many races. What do you think?

To make things worse all the members live in Canada, some actually moved to Canada just so they could protest about Canada and the other developed countries! crazy right? Canada is one of the most developed countries in the world both economically and socially so if they hate everything about the modern world why dont they go live some place else??

comment as best you can...

Thank you

[coolotter88 2]

why do we even care? the entire church is a little man and his inbred family.

[Tropod 144]

meh, I hate stuff & people too, I'm not gunna be biased. I don't need God for that though

But really, unless they're near the ST Server, who cares. Everyone is entitled to be delusional, no matter how crazy it may seem.

[BurroDiablo 222]

Any other country in the world and they would have been fed to the man eating pigs.

[Duke87 1,070]

Yeah, well, what can I say. It's a typical established Christian attitude, just working to extremes. God loves everyone!*

*except homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, politicians who support gay rights, women who get abortions, doctors who perform abortions, politicians who support abortion rights, people who have extramarital sex, sodomites, people who have oral sex, people who use contraception, jews, muslims, atheistis, agnostics, pagans, mormons, people who believe in evolution, teachers who teach evolution, politicians who support teaching evolution, and anyone else who does not strictly conform to his narrowminded view of the world.

[Piel Morena69 5]

Originally posted by: Duke87 Yeah, well, what can I say. It's a typical established Christian attitude, just working to extremes. God loves everyone!*

*except homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, politicians who support gay rights, women who get abortions, doctors who perform abortions, politicians who support abortion rights, people who have extramarital sex, sodomites, people who have oral sex, people who use contraception, jews, muslims, atheistis, agnostics, pagans, mormons, people who believe in evolution, teachers who teach evolution, politicians who support teaching evolution, and anyone else who does not strictly conform to his narrowminded view of the world.quote>

 

Lmao well then I must go to hell since I'm like 100% the above, well believe in the above 100%. Aghhh. I hate when people do "things in gods name" I've seen them before protesting @ some soldiers funeral and I swear that an awful awful thought passed through my mind when I seen that, but then I realized that if I did that awful thing I would spend a very long time in jail, so I passed on it but came damn close to it. Just like my sig says!! Aghh these people are just so vying to get everyones' attn. and they are going at it the wrong way! I'm surprised that someone hasn't done something "awful" to any of them!

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Originally posted by: Duke87 Yeah, well, what can I say. It's a typical established Christian attitude, just working to extremes. God loves everyone!*

*except homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, politicians who support gay rights, women who get abortions, doctors who perform abortions, politicians who support abortion rights, people who have extramarital sex, sodomites, people who have oral sex, people who use contraception, jews, muslims, atheistis, agnostics, pagans, mormons, people who believe in evolution, teachers who teach evolution, politicians who support teaching evolution, and anyone else who does not strictly conform to his narrowminded view of the world.quote>

 

Stick to subjects you actually understand. Your ideas about Christianity are pretty twisted, and lack understanding. Seriously. I'm not trying to start a flame war, and you shouldn't try to instigate one either.

And yes, the Westboro church is way off base.

[ShortStraw 1]

Every Christian I know personally is as disgusted with the Westboro Baptist Church folks as anyone else.  The extended family that makes up that church is hardly representative of mainstream Christianity.   I personally am not christian by any definition of the word but I do acknowledge and admire the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime.

Every Christian out there is not anti-gay, anti-science or even anti-abortion.  Unfortunately, moderate Christians do not make very interesting headlines while vocal extremists from Westboro to Pat Robertson do.

[GingerBlokey 30]

If they were in the UK they would be arrested for hate crimes and intimidation and breech of the peace and probably jailed by now.

[A Nonny Moose 8,263]

If they make much of that kind of noise in Canada they will find themselves escorted out unless they are Canadian citizens (God forbid).  We have some pretty strict laws here about propagating hate.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: ShortStraw

Every Christian I know personally is as disgusted with the Westboro Baptist Church folks as anyone else.  The extended family that makes up that church is hardly representative of mainstream Christianity.   I personally am not christian by any definition of the word but I do acknowledge and admire the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime.

Every Christian out there is not anti-gay, anti-science or even anti-abortion.  Unfortunately, moderate Christians do not make very interesting headlines while vocal extremists from Westboro to Pat Robertson do.quote>

Can you elaborate on "the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime"?

It seem to me that, in my lifetime, the reverse is happening.  I see more of a trend towards the extremist view that Duke was talking about.   Yes, the extremists do tend to get more press coverage, which can skew things, but I am interested in hearing about the trend you are seeing.

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Originally posted by: ShortStraw

Every Christian I know personally is as disgusted with the Westboro Baptist Church folks as anyone else.  The extended family that makes up that church is hardly representative of mainstream Christianity.   I personally am not christian by any definition of the word but I do acknowledge and admire the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime.

Every Christian out there is not anti-gay, anti-science or even anti-abortion.  Unfortunately, moderate Christians do not make very interesting headlines while vocal extremists from Westboro to Pat Robertson do.quote>

Can you elaborate on "the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime"?

It seem to me that, in my lifetime, the reverse is happening.  I see more of a trend towards the extremist view that Duke was talking about.   Yes, the extremists do tend to get more press coverage, which can skew things, but I am interested in hearing about the trend you are seeing.quote>

 

Maybe a good start would be to see who has publicly praised or condemned the group.  

Duke's comments actually demonstrate what many who call themselves Christian feel, that it is they who being shown intolerance b/c they profess a belief in Deity and what in Deity wants.

[Meg 368]

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Maybe a good start would be to see who has publicly praised or condemned the group.  quote>

Sounds interesting.   Anyone have any info on that?

Duke's comments actually demonstrate what many who call themselves Christian feel, that it is they who being shown intolerance b/c they profess a belief in Deity and what in Deity wants.quote>

I'm not following you here.  Duke was talking about extremists who hate.  Are you saying that mainstream Christians feel they are being shown intolerance because of the reactions to the extremists?  or are you saying that that the extremists feel they are being shown intolerance because they believe their hate is justified?

Just my personal view:  anyone or anything who hates can not be a Deity and is not worthy of worship.

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Duke's comments actually demonstrate what many who call themselves Christian feel, that it is they who being shown intolerance b/c they profess a belief in Deity and what in Deity wants.quote>

I'm not following you here.  Duke was talking about extremists who hate.

Are you saying that mainstream Christians feel they are being shown intolerance because of the reactions to the extremists?  quote>

  

Well here's his quote: 

Originally posted by: Duke87 Yeah, well, what can I say. It's a typical established Christian attitude (my emphasis -joesocwork), just working to extremes. God loves everyone!*  *except homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, politicians who support gay rights, women who get abortions, doctors who perform abortions, politicians who support abortion rights, people who have extramarital sex, sodomites, people who have oral sex, people who use contraception, jews, muslims, atheistis, agnostics, pagans, mormons, people who believe in evolution, teachers who teach evolution, politicians who support teaching evolution, and anyone else who does not strictly conform to his narrowminded view of the world.quote>

 

It comes across that Duke was clearly and snidely linking "mainstream Christians" to this group via an alleged shared belief.  I would be surprised if Duke argued that he wasn't.

or are you saying that that the extremists feel they are being shown intolerance because they believe their hate is justified?quote>

 

Maybe my semantics were unclear when I used the words "those who call themselves Christian".  I was trying to be broad and inclusive of the whomever identifies themselves as a christian since the religion started.  Intolerance, even right up to point of persecution, has historically and today practiced on christians.  I have absolutely no idea what Fred Phelps and his followers feel.

[A Nonny Moose 8,263]

As I said in another thread discussing these heretics, they don't believe in the Sermon on the Mount.  In fact, do they believe in Christ?

[LarksTonguesInAspic 28]

Originally posted by: N_O_Body As I said in another thread discussing these heretics, they don't believe in the Sermon on the Mount.  In fact, do they believe in Christ?quote>

 

1 Corinthinians 6:9-11. Some people will concentrate on the list of those who will not enter the Kingdom of God...while homosexuals are 'on the list', I will always point out that verse 11 says '...such were some of you, but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified...' ; 'were' being the operative word.

Another    

Romans 3:23...'For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God...'

Romans 5:8 ...'While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.'

The weight of Scripture deals not with condemnation, but with redemption. That was Christ's message, as well. Those of us who have been delivered from homosexuality by the grace of God are doubly hurt by the Westboro freaks. I suspect the pastor there is more in search of attention and/or power than in the genuine preaching of the Bible. He doesn't even understand the damage he's doing to the Christian community, as well as the gay community.

[Zelgadis 638]

I don't care what anyone or any god says. If Westboro or God can't love the fact that I love my boyfriend, I can't love them, period.

ISF

[DuskTrooper 316]

This just in! Westboro Baptist just gave SCS a 10/10!

Ok, now, that REALLY soils their credibility.

[Duke87 1,070]

My comment was indeed intended to be satirical. Satire by hyperbole.

I am from a Catholic family, so I have seen plenty of non-extremist Christianity. And I can tell you that while what I said was clearly an exaggeration, you still see traces of it across the board. The difference is that most don't go loudly yelling "god says this!", they have other rationalizations for it. "Abortion is murder", "homosexuality is mentally disturbing to children", "casual sex is irresponsible because of the risks associated with it", etc. The evolution and other religion things seem to be largely protestant issues, though, so I'm not quite so sure what the deal there is.

As for extremists feeling themselves victimize by intolerance, that's definitely true. Most dismiss them as insane, don't take them seriously, etc., which they feel is prejudiced since they consider themselves just as credible as anyone else (if not more). Of course, extremism never really gets accepted easily, and while this country is definitely seeing a movement to eliminate religion from public view (it's called secular progressivism), that's not quite the same thing as being prejudiced. Judging people based on their race or ethnicity is wrong since it's not something they have any control over. They didn't just decide "Hmm, I want to be (race)", they were born that way and they're stuck with it. Judging people based on their sexual preference is wrong for the same reason (many religious types would beg to differ, saying homosexuality is voluntary, but the scientific evidence suggests otherwise). On the other hand, judging people based on their religion is not bigoted in the least. We have freedom of religion in this country, so everyone who worships does so at their own choosing. If you go around saying "I don't like you because you're (race)", the (race)s you say it to can't exactly fix that, and it's thus unfair. But if you go around saying "I don't like you because you're (religion)", the (religion)s you say it to can fix it by denouncing their faith, and thus it is perfectly fair. Thinking less of someone for being a member of a certain religion is no more bigoted than thinking less of someone for being a criminal*. The difference is that one is commonly accepted while the other is not. It's a lot more controversial to knock something common which most people have no problem with than something which most will agree is wrong. But just because something is controversial doesn't mean it's wrong, and just because something is accepted doesn't mean it's right. Remember that.

*note on this: Antisemitism is hatred of people with Jewish heritage (ethnicity), not people who practice the Jewish faith (religion). There's a key distinction. One is wrong, the other isn't.

[ShortStraw 1]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Originally posted by: ShortStraw

Every Christian I know personally is as disgusted with the Westboro Baptist Church folks as anyone else.  The extended family that makes up that church is hardly representative of mainstream Christianity.   I personally am not christian by any definition of the word but I do acknowledge and admire the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime.

Every Christian out there is not anti-gay, anti-science or even anti-abortion.  Unfortunately, moderate Christians do not make very interesting headlines while vocal extremists from Westboro to Pat Robertson do.quote>

Can you elaborate on "the period of tolerance and enlightenment that christianity is undergoing in my lifetime"?

It seem to me that, in my lifetime, the reverse is happening.  I see more of a trend towards the extremist view that Duke was talking about.   Yes, the extremists do tend to get more press coverage, which can skew things, but I am interested in hearing about the trend you are seeing.quote>

Well, I'm speaking broadly, not trying to point out any particular denomination.

  Most Christian denominations have a significant number of members who accept homosexuality.  In many churches, homosexuals can even be ordained.  Even though total acceptance of homosexuality by any Christian denomination is a long way off, there's a great deal more acceptance and tolerance of that alternative lifestyle now than there was a hundred years ago. 

Also, a great majority of Christian denominations are exceedingly tolerant of other denominations and other religions today.  500 years ago Christians and Jews and Pagans were killing each other over religion.  Just 100 years ago Catholics and Protestants were still killing one another in a few places.  Today, as far as I know, there are no wars being driven by Christian tenents.  One could argue that the situation in the Middle East is a war between Christians and Muslims but from the christian viewpoint, those wars are not really about Christians VS Muslims so much as they're about Muslims VS non-Muslims.  Every generation sees less Christian motivated warfare, I think that's a good thing.  There are places in the U.S. where Churches, Synagogues and Mosques Coexist in the same neighborhoods and fights do not break out between these people.  My undoubtedly Christian great great grandparents would not have tolerated a Mosque or Synagogue within sight of their church 200 years ago.  They barely tolerated Quakers, heh.

In my grandparents time, churches were deeply divided along racial lines.  Many white Christians then had very negative beliefs about Non-Whites and these beliefs were based on religious tenents that have since faded into the background as racial intolerance in "The Church" has slackened.  Today it is exceedingly common to find numerous races represented within a single Christian congregation.

To sum up, the Westboro baptist Church would not have neccesarily been considered so "Lunatic Fringe" just a hundred years ago.  200 years ago and further back, the Westboro folks would have been considered pretty normal.  To me, this indicates tolerance and acceptance amongst the various Christian denominations on an unprecedented scale.

My intent with my previous post was to simply point out that the very vocal religious extremists who get all the press are in no way a reflection of mainstream Christians.  I base this mostly on my own personal experiences with Christians in my day to day life.  They seem like pretty laid back and tolerant people to me these days. <

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

Maybe a good start would be to see who has publicly praised or condemned the group.  quote>

Sounds interesting.   Anyone have any info on that?

quote>

 

Actually the answer is that no one has endorsed Fred Phelps or his group.  He started out as an attorney and a liberal Democrat activist who ran for governor in Kansas three times, U.S. Senate once, and mayor of Topeka, KS twice.  He is also a strong anti-war activist and has protests at military funeral chanting very horrid things.  He's pretty much anti- everybody and might even come out against SimTropolis if he knew we existed.  And as such he's alienated just about everybody politically and religiously left and right.  Fox News has sometimes allowed his daughter to come on their shows and spout some real mean-spirited and kooky stuff about the United States, our soldiers, and just about every political and religious leader.   He calls his group of mostly family members a Baptist church, but Baptist organizations don't recognize his legitimacy.  Whatever religious beliefs he has stated is basically taken from a very old form of doctrine of Calvinism that gives people no credit for their own actions or fate and if he were truly serious about them then I would love to see a debate between him and someone who actually knows the Bible.  I can't find any scriptures that condone his behaviours and as far as I can see he seems to be about himself.  He's basically to religion what President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iraq might well be to nuclear safety.    Buuuuuut, b/c he uses the name of a christian denomination and invokes Deity it would make sense that some would see him as merely fringe form of christianity or of what christians can or might want to become. 

[Rymac91 15]

Has anyone by any chance noticed the resemblance that Westboro Baptist Church has to a section on a popular image board? The only real difference is that WBC is actually more intolerant.

These people IMO are seriously people I'll avoid , since they already hate my race, country, religion, opinions and morals.

[Meg 368]

Thank you, ShortStraw, for explaining that.   When you put it that way, I see what you mean.  Maybe things are moving more in a positive direction than a negative one.

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

  Buuuuuut, b/c he uses the name of a christian denomination and invokes Deity it would make sense that some would see him as merely fringe form of christianity or of what christians can or might want to become. 

quote>

Problem is, it's more difficult to dismiss a fringe lunatic as a fringe lunatic when he isn't the only one saying it.    He is basically echoing what Jerry Falwell said after 9/11.    (and many people regarded Falwell as a great guy, not a lunatic).  As he said then:

"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen.'"quote>

Yes, he apologized later, after everyone told him where he could put it.  But now here is another guy saying the same thing.    Maybe it isn't a huge trend but it is still a very disturbing trend.

[DOXXP29 5]

Joesocwork, check out the thread in Current Events, I think the title was "Anti-Gay Decision" or something similar. I posted it a week or two ago. The "church" was sued in Maryland and they lost to the tune of millions of dollars for disrupting a serviceman's funeral. That's the best public condemnation I can think of right now. The article is in the thread.

[Joesocwork 4]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek Thank you, ShortStraw, for explaining that.   When you put it that way, I see what you mean.  Maybe things are moving more in a positive direction than a negative one.

Originally posted by: Joesocwork

  Buuuuuut, b/c he uses the name of a christian denomination and invokes Deity it would make sense that some would see him as merely fringe form of christianity or of what christians can or might want to become. 

quote>

Problem is, it's more difficult to dismiss a fringe lunatic as a fringe lunatic when he isn't the only one saying it.    He is basically echoing what Jerry Falwell said after 9/11.    (and many people regarded Falwell as a great guy, not a lunatic)...

...Yes, he apologized later, after everyone told him where he could put it.  But now here is another guy saying the same thing.    Maybe it isn't a huge trend but it is still a very disturbing trend.quote>

 

Okay, two nutjobs then.  But the thing is that he indeed was disavowed and shunned by those who otherwise had thought they had shared his religious beliefs to that point, even right through his death a year back or so.  

DOXXP29:  Yep, they got justice!

[Sam 163]

Originally posted by: SkiGeek

...Maybe it isn't a huge trend but it is still a very disturbing trend.quote>

I agree. It seems some people just love to hate. Despite the unprecedented freedoms we enjoy, prejudice and hatred remain in parts of our societies.

[A Nonny Moose 8,263]

Oh yes.  Hate is one of the Seven Deadly Sins.  According to their own doctrine, straight to Dis with the lot of them.

[pagenotfound 53]

And they have the nerve to call themselves members of a church... its just disturbing.

if you hate, you will have a reservation for Hell waiting just for you.

[Explodingsims 3]

Oh great, these guys come back again.

IMO we should just ignore these guys, they give a bad name to Christians, and really shouldn't even be called Baptist. Every Christian I know, including myself, hates these people. They have some really twisted views on things, just visit their website for proof of this!

But, this guy is most likely out for attention, so I say just ignore them, and this little man and his family live in their little fortress and have their twisted world views...

[pagenotfound 53]

^a'men on that^