Yet another one...

[Sparky Gowne 14]

Sorry to keep doing this... I'm actually trying to build up all of the CAM lots that BarbyW uploaded to sc4devotion. It's just that I'm finding so many undocumented dependencies, especially with these NDEX buildings! I'll likely come across more until I get the CAM lot dependencies built up.

I'm now on NDEX Zeniathus Plaza By EB And DT. This one has quite a few undocumented dependencies for the growable lot. SC4Tool could find the ones I have... but I'm once again clueless on the ones I do not have.

There's two missing props:

The ID's are 0xE828FA6C and 0x22AE79B2. I'm unsure if both of these ID's come from the same prop pack, or if each one is in a different prop pack.

They form three (currently missing) structures of some type in the back of the building:

Once again I'm greatful for any help! I'll document the dependencies as well once I find out what these missing ones are!

[BarbyW 40]

For the CAMeLots you only need to keep the model.

[Sparky Gowne 14]

Yes I know, but once I uncover undocumented missing props there's no stopping me.

[Sparky Gowne 14]

There is a file called ZeniathusProps.dat that SC4Tool tried to scan for but didn't find. This file is not in the zip file from the NDEX Zeniathus Plaza By EB And DT download. I did try searching on simtropolis and sc4devotion for a separate prop file but didn't find anything...

[BarbyW 40]

As this is an NDEX lot you might do better to post in the NDEX forum although DT, EB and Equinox are all inactive at the moment so you may never get a solution to this.

[Sparky Gowne 14]

I was maybe hoping for some magic from Swamper77

[Beep Street 0]

This is what is pathetic about the dependency thing... when will you people realize the complaint is not that we have to download additional files... it's exactly this post's sort of thing that's the problem. It's the undocumented stuff, the renamed, moved, split, etc., files... in this case you have at least three authors, none of which bothered to even properly document what they used in their lot. Then years later when they are gone and new users discover their creations, they are missing props, and there's no way to ever learn what they even are.

Wake up people!!!

[patfirefghtr 159]

Originally posted by: Beep Street This is what is pathetic about the dependency thing... when will you people realize the complaint is not that we have to download additional files... it's exactly this post's sort of thing that's the problem. It's the undocumented stuff, the renamed, moved, split, etc., files... in this case you have at least three authors, none of which bothered to even properly document what they used in their lot. Then years later when they are gone and new users discover their creations, they are missing props, and there's no way to ever learn what they even are.

Wake up people!!!quote>

 

Well Beep Street,  first off relax and chill abit OK...  This can be a case 
of a simple not downloaded dependency... It happens, and thus far missing
props... As far as a dependency Debate you can rest assured that is why 
Mega packs and what nots are created to merge over alot of files to be one 

Take for example the NAM team has a file that has if I'm not mistaken over
19,000 files in one DAT.  Could you imagine how hard it would be to DL that
 many props????  i have had no problem with any lots as long as i have the 
current packs and all required dependency's from the Read-Me File...  

Do you know for a fact that these 3 authors didn't document there works???
I think not all 3 of them Document everything very well of what they have used
and that is called a Read-Me File...  So please for your first post you came off
kinda rude, just so you know, I hope you become a real good productive
member of ST see ya's around - pat   

[Sparky Gowne 14]

Please, this thread is about two missing props. Use the dependency debate thread and post a link to this thread to make your point... don't hijack my thread!

[Beep Street 0]

QUOTE: "Do you know for a fact that these 3 authors didn't document there works???"

Maybe you should take the time to put a little effort before you come back at me as you clearly show you don't know what you are talking about.

Right in the first post, Sparky Gown posted a link and a picture. Go to the link and read the description and download and unzip it... https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/details.cfm?id=13205

Where is the readme? There is none. What dependencies are in the description?

NDEX Global Essentials

BSC Essentials

NDEX Texture Set

Take a look at the pic Sparky posted... they missed a TON of stuff, props by BSC Carch, CSX, MJB, plus it looks like their own prop pack which they forgot to put in the zip!

This is just plain sloppy work, and it tees me off that some of these guys are regarded as the BEST, well that doesn't amount to jack squat if you can't properly build and document your upload. Now it's years later and all these guys have all moved on, and they leave behind a mess that can't be fixed 100%

Sorry Sparky to hijack but I can't help it, this just really gets to me.

Doesn't it bother you?

[patriots_1228 51]

Beep Street. you've been here for less then a day. i wouldnt suggest getting off of the wrong foot.

[SimRabbit 48]

Man, as long as there is not a gift box, you are fine. if you find a lot that does have alot of dependencies or whatever, re-lott it to your tastings.

[patfirefghtr 159]

Originally posted by: Beep Street QUOTE: "Do you know for a fact that these 3 authors didn't document there works???"

Maybe you should take the time to put a little effort before you come back at me as you clearly show you don't know what you are talking about.

Right in the first post, Sparky Gown posted a link and a picture. Go to the link and read the description and download and unzip it... https://www.simtropolis.com/stex/details.cfm?id=13205

Where is the readme? There is none. What dependencies are in the description?

NDEX Global Essentials
BSC Essentials
NDEX Texture Set

Take a look at the pic Sparky posted... they missed a TON of stuff, props by BSC Carch, CSX, MJB, plus it looks like their own prop pack which they forgot to put in the zip!

This is just plain sloppy work, and it tees me off that some of these guys are regarded as the BEST, well that doesn't amount to jack squat if you can't properly build and document your upload. Now it's years later and all these guys have all moved on, and they leave behind a mess that can't be fixed 100%

Sorry Sparky to hijack but I can't help it, this just really gets to me.

Doesn't it bother you?quote>

 

Beep Street i was actually being very nice to you and there is no need to be a jerk back to me...  AS far what i was talking about i know and understand clearly maybe you didn't follow what i was saying...  And guess what my friend you did answer the question about the dependency as you clearly said its in the description... I think you need to really take a minute here and reallly relax a lot you are a newbie i will give you that credit...  But let it be understood im not attacking you at all, im trying to help you understand that dependency's are a great thing to make a bat/lot all that much better, instead of using maxis stuff...

Sparky i am by far not trying to highjack your question at all... I was just trying to help a Newbie understand Dependency are not evil as long as you have DL'ed all required ones... and as SimRabbit said maybe you can just remove those and replace with what ever you like....

[Sparky Gowne 14]

Re-lotting it is fine if there's absolutely no way to fix it, but I personally like to try and get these lots so they work and appear as the original authors intended.

What I'm getting is that these missing props were probably in a file that the original authors forgot to put in their zip upload, and since the authors are gone, there's nothing that can be done other than re-lot it. I hope there's not too many like that!

[Stardragon 4]

@Sparky: Sorry but no help here, I've asked around and no one seems to know how to translate those 0x... codes into English.

@Beep: Just calm down. EVERYONE here is only human. I've learned to just deal with the dependency problem and ask for help when I need it, like Sparky Gowne is.

^If the above comment to Beep Street has no meaning, PM me and I'll remove it.

[Swamper77 90]

@Sparky: At this point, I'd say that the missing props are from the missing prop pack that is associated with this building. EQ and Eburress have not been around much since the last release that EQ put up, so contacting them will be up to you. DT is still around, both here and SC4D, so you might want to ask him about it.

@Stardragon: 0x codes will never translate into English since it is HEX code. However, if you have the correct prop packs, there will be names attached to them

-Swamper77

[Filasimo 1]

Beep, if you think you can make a BAT even better without dependencies I would like to see you try.as people have said above if you have a problem with dependencies complain about it in the RIGHT thread not this one for this is someones thread asking for help not for complaints! Be GREATFUL there are talented people making custom content to this game. If you have a problem or have issues with a BAT then DONT DOWNLOAD IT! Further complaining about someones work is not getting anywhere but putting you at a wrong start in this community. Thank you and have a nice day!

[sobol 1]

Beep street, here is an easy solution: Delete the offending structure and move on.

[Ryno917 102]

I think you guys missed Beep's point; It's not the dependancies and additional downloads, it's the undocumented stuff. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but did you guys actually read his post? He's not complaining about dependancies or even downloading additional files; he's complaining about people not documenting all the dependancies leaving broken (or ugly/incomplete) lots, and in this case, ones that can not be fixed.

[Filasimo 1]

Maggot apparently you missed the point as well. This IS not the thread to complain about stuff like that there is such a thread already that does exist. If people have issues with dependencies or even undocumented ones there is a thread about it its called the Dependency Debate thread. That is where you post your thoughts on anything thats DEPENDENCY related whether it is documented or not. Think about it.