Don't forgot to set your clocks one hour ahead!

[Skink000 0]

Originally posted by: N_O_Body Well, standard time was originally created so eliminate all the confusion in scheduling trains when everyone operated off Local Mean Noon.  Jacking the time zones ahead one hour permanently wouldn't bother me.  They could call it Permanent Daylight Time (PDT), just so everyne would know.  In a generation or so, everyone would forget what the abbreviation meant because it would have become meaningless.  This would require a vote in the U.N. to make it universal.quote>

 

@N_O_Body: "Jacking the time zones ahead one hour permanently" ? I don't mean to sound stupid, although it is my constitutional right , but is this the same as everyone starting their day an hour later? Sometimes it is the simplest ideas that are the hardest to see.

"Local Mean Noon", having a degree in geography I must have learned it but it has fallen through the cracks. I listen, I learn. I searched the web (AltaVista) and came back with all of 40 hits! And only a couple of them were any good and the best one imo is here a slow loading (with my 45.2 dial up)18 page pdf file. I have not had time to read the the whole article but it looks very good. It covers Local Apparent Time in simple English.  

Have a great day.

[Easy Bakes 253]

I wonder if the reason it dosnt change is there are a group of people whos "job" is to oversee Daylight Savingtime. you know Govt apointees who make a huge salarie

for doing pretty much nothing.

Pork.

[vidioman 21]

Canada's government doesn't have a minister of time or anything stupid like that. We don't even bother having anyone to fill in for the Prime Minister when he's away.. I hear John Manly is available..

We should go midway between Daylight and Standard. This October, move back one half hour and stay there.

[Tarkus 6,933]

I've come to the conclusion that chronometry (the measurement of time) is becoming a total joke, and has been for awhile.  They should come up with a compromise: the half-hour between Standard and Daylight Savings Time. 

And as far as the whole 2am thing, that's when they like to mess with the time.  But not just during the Standard/Daylight changes.  I've got a clock that has a radio feed that adjusts to the official US clock in Denver.  It seems that they actually add seconds then, too.  My watch has slowly gone about 4 minutes fast over the past four months.  Apparently, the earth's rotation is slowing down, and they're trying to compensate, or something.

It seems like the pretty much do whatever the heck they want to with it.  They could make tomorrow be last week if they really wanted.  Then there's the whole joke with the 51 minute zones . . . don't get me started . . .

(please forgive my rant . . .)

[Micah 16]

^ You may be on to something, but I think moving back half-an-hour will confuse a lot of people.

DSLT has to do with the slowing down of earth's rotation? Hmm... maybe so.

[justanothersim86 83]

Probably not. Even though the Earth is slowing down, its hard to notice. The Earth's rotation slows down 0.2 seconds every century. Whats funny though is that today wil always be the longest day ever since each day is slightly longer than the last.

[A Nonny Moose 8,262]

Originally posted by: Skink000

Originally posted by: N_O_Body Well, standard time was originally created so eliminate all the confusion in scheduling trains when everyone operated off Local Mean Noon.  Jacking the time zones ahead one hour permanently wouldn't bother me.  They could call it Permanent Daylight Time (PDT), just so everyne would know.  In a generation or so, everyone would forget what the abbreviation meant because it would have become meaningless.  This would require a vote in the U.N. to make it universal.quote>

 

@N_O_Body: "Jacking the time zones ahead one hour permanently" ? I don't mean to sound stupid, although it is my constitutional right , but is this the same as everyone starting their day an hour later? Sometimes it is the simplest ideas that are the hardest to see.

"Local Mean Noon", having a degree in geography I must have learned it but it has fallen through the cracks. I listen, I learn. I searched the web (AltaVista) and came back with all of 40 hits! And only a couple of them were any good and the best one imo is here a slow loading (with my 45.2 dial up)18 page pdf file. I have not had time to read the the whole article but it looks very good. It covers Local Apparent Time in simple English.  

Have a great day.quote>

No, one hour earlier (by siderial time).

Sorry about that.  Local Mean Noon is a navigational term meaning when the sun is directly overhead.  As a sailor, that's the way I think of it.

@vid: I bet we have an official astronomer, though.  Probably not called the Astronomer Royal.

[Tarkus 6,933]

Well, according to sidereal time, a day is actually something like 23hr 56min.  That's actually a more accurate reading of how long a day actually is.  Of course, we could always speed the second up, but that would wreak total havoc on everything.  I think there's something fishy about that Denver Atomic Clock though.  It seems almost as if they are actually trying to somehow hybridize the 24 day with a sidereal day.

It's kind of odd that the earth's rotation is speeding up.  I would have gone with the theory that the earth was thrown into orbit like a baseball, which would have resulted in an accelerating rotation and and a slowing revolution, but I guess instead it's "winding up". 

Ultimately, it's all a mess.  I think we ought to go back to using sundials!

[EAGCE 2]

There are many reasons for changes in the earths rotation speed. http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050225_wobbly_planet.html

I think we all should just pick a time and stick to it. Whatever it is. If that means the sun rises at 5p.m. and sets at 5a.m. then I dont care. Just pick!

[Micah 16]

^ haha. That would be pretty funny. The old Jewish calendar was similar to that.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

I don't see why or how DST benefits anybody? I get up early, and because of it, it's dark when I get up, and light when I go to sleep. It doesn't save energy, and it disrupts everyone's schedules. GET RID OF IT!

[Easy Bakes 253]

Do we realy save any daylight?

say If on march 12th the time between sunrise and sunset is 12 hours does it realy matter if its 6AM-6PM

or 7AM-7PM?

[Voar Tok 4]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus I don't see why or how DST benefits anybody? I get up early, and because of it, it's dark when I get up, and light when I go to sleep. It doesn't save energy, and it disrupts everyone's schedules. GET RID OF IT!quote>

You're one of very few though.  There are lots of people like me who, before DST, don't ever see the sun rise.  Once DST hits, suddenly, I see the sun rising a lot more.  What's more, I don't need to turn on my lights until later in the day.

Easy Bakes:  Do we save any daylight?  Well, no, we don't create anymore.  At the same time though, the amount of money saved by people not needing their light bulbs for another hour is a pretty significant amount.  Enough that they went and extended DST for a month.

[Duke87 1,070]

The real purpose of daylight savings time is to make better use of the daylight we have. During the summer, the days are longer, but that means the sun rises earlier as well as setting later. Without DST, the sun would be rising at about 4:45 AM around here in June. Wasteful, since almost no one wakes up that early. So push the clocks ahead and make it rise at 5:45 and then set at 8 instead of 7- the hour of daylight is put to better use if it's at the end of the day. On the other hand, if we were to stay on daylight savings time permanently, we'd see the sun set at 6 instead of 5 in January, but we'd also not see it rise until about 8 in the morning- problematic since a lot of people are already at work by then, and a lot of kids are already at school.

Since neither of those extremes is desirable, the simple compromise is to adjust the clock to make the sun be up at times which are more useful to us.

Naturally, the higher latitude you live at, the more the number of hours of daylight vary over the year, and the more daylight savings time will be useful to you. If you live near the equator, the variation is minimal and it's not going to benefit you much. But if you live in the temperate zones, which most of the world's population does, it's quite useful. Of course, if you live above the arctic or antarctic circle, it's useless since you get 24 hour sun in the summer and 24 hour night in the winter regardless. But not too many people live up there.

[DuskTrooper 316]

Saving daylight, eh? Reminds me of the story my ex-hippie dad told me about one of his friends, when he tried LSD and Angel's trumpet. He tried bottling the sunlight in a glass jar.

[Easy Bakes 253]

Easy Bakes:  Do we save any daylight?  Well, no, we don't create anymore.  At the same time though, the amount of money saved by people not needing their light bulbs for another hour is a pretty significant amount.  Enough that they went and extended DST for a month.quote>

 

What energy savings?

So instead if turning on light bulbs an hour sooner we are running the AC harder during the hotest part of the day.

And also the reverse of that the heat is on longer in the winter since the sun goes down earlier.

[Voar Tok 4]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

Easy Bakes:  Do we save any daylight?  Well, no, we don't create anymore.  At the same time though, the amount of money saved by people not needing their light bulbs for another hour is a pretty significant amount.  Enough that they went and extended DST for a month.quote>

 

What energy savings?

So instead if turning on light bulbs an hour sooner we are running the AC harder during the hotest part of the day.

And also the reverse of that the heat is on longer in the winter since the sun goes down earlier.

quote>

It is somewhat controversial on the amount of electricity that is saved.  The Department of Energy has come out in the past and put the amount and millions of dollars though.

But, on the topic, the history of DST.

[wir3d 2]

Didn't daylight savings day happen on sunday? Well at least for me it did.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

I agree, Easy Bakes.

[Duke87 1,070]

Originally posted by: Easy Bakes

Easy Bakes:  Do we save any daylight?  Well, no, we don't create anymore.  At the same time though, the amount of money saved by people not needing their light bulbs for another hour is a pretty significant amount.  Enough that they went and extended DST for a month.quote>

 

What energy savings?

So instead if turning on light bulbs an hour sooner we are running the AC harder during the hotest part of the day.

And also the reverse of that the heat is on longer in the winter since the sun goes down earlier.

quote>

Back when DST was first implemented, light bulbs accounted for a very large portion of electricity usage. Of course, nowadays, the account for a fairly small portion, due to the other things we have now that we didn't have then: air conditioning, TVs, computers, chargers for cellphones and other gadgets, electric clocks, electric washers/dryers, dishwashers, etc.

So it has become fairly controversial and some claims say that it in fact causes there to be more energy usage due to the increased AC usage outweighing the decreased lightbulb usage- a variable which did not exist back in the 1910's and 20's when DST was first being implemented. So nowadays DST probably does increase energy consumption, but it does still have other clear benefits (see Voar Tok's link to the wiki article)

[ilikehotdogsalot 311]

Well, I'm not a fan of going to school in the middle of night, but I like that it doesn't get dark until 8 PM.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

DST is outdated. It saved energy in World War II, but it increases consumption now. End it.

[Craig-Abcvs 1,595]

DLS is now 27 weeks in New Zealand. Our summer time does not end until April 6... the sun is just managing to struggle up at 7 am now. Long summer evenings are great but it would be nice to go to work in daylight...