The Future of Warfare Is Now Here... Lasers

[Emozo 0]

ancientsociety

i cant understand your logic at all, you seem to be defending you argument to the end without taking the views of any other conflicting post into consideration.

first of all you seem to think that america is on some sort of global domination program dispite the fact that the us is about the only country actually trying at least to make a differance for good in this world.

second, you seem obsessed with bringing this argument back to this ww2 issue which is 60+ years old, the world has moved on since then and learned from its mistakes, polotics are different and i dont know how you can relate to the events of hiroshima and nagasaki which have no relevance in modern warfare.

you seem to have no faith what so ever in modern society, convinced that we are about to destroy ourselvs, how many people have been predicting that since the dawn of recorded history? how many were right?

the thing that makes humankind special is the ability to develop technology, and to see an opatunity pass is an insult to our very existance. stop worrying and live with the fact that humanity is always moving forward weather you like it or not.

[rustalot42684 0]

Date: 1/13/2006 9:21:54 AM
Author: ancientsociety

EAGCE: 'People....If its possible to do it, evenutally someone will do it. It's better for us to do this and be able to discover defenses to it before someone else discovers how to do this.


If we didnt discover this and someone else did, they may use it on us and we wouldnt know what hit us. '

This is classic fear-mongering propaganda. Who else in this world has

1. The BILLIONS of dollars to develop, produce, and maintain such a weapon?

2. The high level of scientific education to create scientists with the knowledge to develop this?

3. The liberal, non-theological scientific community for these scientists to operate in?

4. The high-tech, quality industry to produce the weapon's systems?

5. The viable, well-staffed space agency to launch this weapon?

I'm sure a few coutries meet some (maybe most) of these requirements. However, only the US, has ALL of these things. So who 'else' could develop it? That's like saying that, even though the US has about 10,000 ICBMs still active, that we should produce and develop large and more powerful missiles because some day, far in the future, 'someone' else could get their hands on an entire arsenal of thermonuclear weapons.

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You Forgot one-

6. The political will to divert funds away from education, healthcare, etc, to finance this. I'm sure many governments have the money, but they want to spend it on something else.

Also, America could spend the money on better projects- like social security or some other valuable social program American soceity could not afford to lose. I have noticed many 'neo-cons' have proposed cutting funding to these programs. But where would America be without an education system?

I myself live in Canada, but I watch the American Media and notice many things that that nation's politicians seem to ignore.

[EAGCE 2]

Date: 1/13/2006 9:21:54 AM
Author: ancientsociety

EAGCE: 'People....If its possible to do it, evenutally someone will do it. It's better for us to do this and be able to discover defenses to it before someone else discovers how to do this.


If we didnt discover this and someone else did, they may use it on us and we wouldnt know what hit us. '

This is classic fear-mongering propaganda. Who else in this world has

1. The BILLIONS of dollars to develop, produce, and maintain such a weapon?

2. The high level of scientific education to create scientists with the knowledge to develop this?

3. The liberal, non-theological scientific community for these scientists to operate in?

4. The high-tech, quality industry to produce the weapon's systems?

5. The viable, well-staffed space agency to launch this weapon?

I'm sure a few coutries meet some (maybe most) of these requirements. However, only the US, has ALL of these things. So who 'else' could develop it? That's like saying that, even though the US has about 10,000 ICBMs still active, that we should produce and develop large and more powerful missiles because some day, far in the future, 'someone' else could get their hands on an entire arsenal of thermonuclear weapons.

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China is easily the next country that could do it. Maybe not at this very moment, but they could not too far from now. Dont you think they cant. It doesnt have to be put in space to be used.

[Voar Tok 4]

Date: 1/13/2006 7:46:44 AM Author: Easy Bakes

Date: 1/13/2006 1:14:05 AM Author: EAGCE People....If its possible to do it, evenutally someone will do it.  It's better for us to do this and be able to discover defenses to it before someone else discovers how to do this. If we didnt discover this and someone else did, they may use it on us and we wouldnt know what hit us.

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Giant Mirrors. !

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Any military grade laser could burn a whole through a mirror, thereby rendering it completely useless.

[Micah 16]

Personally, I'm not too sure whether to be worried or not. It sounds worse than a nuclear attack. But when you think about it, if we don't produce it, somebody else will. (I can think of tons of countries who can also develop such weapons... China, Russia, possibly Iran, but not likely... Anyways, don't forget that these powerful countries don't tell us everything they are doing.)

[nealos101 20]

Pleh! There's always something that threatens to destroy us all, in the medevil ages it was the plauge... in WW2 it was the whole war itself... Then Atomic weapons... What next? This???

Terrorists getting their greasy hands on this weapon is always on the forefront on everyone's topic - they said that about nuclear weapons, but where are those mushroom clouds? Nowhere? Case solved. Terrorists are humane on a comparative level, with 9/11 it was indeed a tragedy: loss a wonderful financial establishment; thousands of people; a strong economy... But really it could have been worse and these terrorists could have planted a dirty Atomic Bomb in NY. Think of the effects of that!

 

I don't think a government or terrorist group would do such a thing as approving the mass-murder of millions of innocent civilians, for one religiosuly it's condemed, and polotically it could proove disastrous for their approval rating. But these issues arn't allowed here, so ive crossed them out.

 

People worrying about this laser being a machine of mass-murder... Nothing to worry about becuase you'd be dead in a few seconds. Alot worse could happen to you, like those poor survivors in Horishima... Cancer... *shivers*

 

Just think about this: When you're dead, its over.  Some one has decided to murder you and you have had no influence in their decision, they just decided to murder you becuase you are alive in their target.  Be safe in the knowledge that whoever thought that was a good thing to do will go to a place when they die where they will have to re-live that moment forever...

 

My two cents...

 

Nealos101

[justanothersim86 83]

This would be good for plotting against my enemies.

Think you can run to Estonia, eh? Zapp!

 

 Laser eye surgery from space!

This won't hurt a bit Mr. Thompson.

 

Seriously though, I'm against this project. There are more important issues to invest money in than some giant laser.

[ancientsociety 26]

Micah: As far as other countries developing this technology, it's not gonna happen.

1. The BILLIONS of dollars to develop, produce, and maintain such a weapon?

China: Yes

Russia: No

Iran: No

N. Korea: No

America: Yes

2. The high level of scientific education to create scientists with the knowledge to develop this?

China: Yes, but resaerchers are VERY scarce

Russia: No

Iran: No

N. Korea: No

America: Yes

 

3. The liberal, non-theologically (or ideologicaly) enforced scientific community for these scientists to operate in?

China: No

Russia: No

Iran: Definitely not

N. Korea: No

America: Yes

4. The high-tech, quality industry to produce the weapon's systems?

China: Possibly, but their HT industry is only civilian oriented

Russia: No

Iran: No

N. Korea: No

America: Yes

 

5. The viable, well-staffed space agency to launch this weapon?

China: No

Russia: Yes

Iran: No

N. Korea: No

America: Yes

 

The only country to meet all 6 of the necessary features to produce such a weapon is the US, plain and simple. So, again, I re-iterate that people saying if we don't, someone else will is fear-mongering.

 

Nealos101: just because terrorists haven't done this yet doesn't mean it's never going to happen or that these weapons/facilities are secure. Before 9/11, no one used airplanes as flying bombs. That didn't mean though that it was never going to happen or that these planes were secure.

 

Terrorists are, by definition, guerilla fighters. You can't simply bomb them into submission because they are elusive and simply won't engage when the odds are against them. In Vietnam, for example, no one thought that the VC could launch a series of high intensity coordinated attacks against multiple targets but they did (the Tet Offensive). To defeat guerillas/terrorists/insurgents you have to think like them. You always have to be two steps ahead of them. Strength is easily defeated through cunning and subterfuge.

 

 

And why are we building a space laser who's only real function is against large targets in close proximity? Warfare has changed to the point where pitched battles between large groups of soldiers is becoming less common, while small mobile units of skirmishers are becoming more valuable?

 

Smells like a pork barrel project to me.

[xiziz 11]

First of all, i belive there was a treaty signed during the cold war to prevent any form of space-weapons(because neather USSR or USA wanted to have Nuclear Silos Floating above their heads).

However, even if there was satelite born lasers up there, wouldnt the first thing to do in the war be to send a missile up and destroy it?

Secondly, i think there talking about lasers in the form of small arms format, not one with the destructive power of Golden Eye.

What makes a terrorist with a laser more deadly than one with a portfolia sized nuke?

And about building a Titanium dome over the US, to prevent its demise, i think the US-Goverment is doing a jolly god job at it themselves. *Cough*Kyoto*Cough*

But when it all comes down i think i better carry a mirror in my bag from now on

Cheers
//Sim

Edit, saw that there was 2 more pages ...
And a lot of talking about a large space laser.
About countris able to build them, i belive most countries that most people can name have the capability of building and launching something like this.

If a welfare nation of 9 million people can develop and build a submarine that can whitout beeing detected sink an american aircraft carrier, a nation with a few more million people surly has no problems building a laser. (Yes, that nation is sweden and the submarine is the Gotland Class)

The list of nations that could possibly launch one of these would probably be somewhere around 30-40 maby more. Just because there are only a few that the common folks know about that shoot rockts into space dosnt mean that they are the only ones. How many knew that Sweden has a Space Port in Kiruna, that has launched rockets into space?

Cheers
//Sim