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[brtim2 11]

Ummm, how is this support? It seems to me as if there is a lot of 'you shouldn't be this because of this and this is the only real religion' and whosa-what.

Date: 12/26/2005 3:05:59 AM
Author:dev
This is not a religious debate thread, this is a religious support and preference thread.

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Because as Dev said, he is bashed daily for being a Christian and he started this as a support thread, where those of a religious nature could share their stories about being bashed, ridiculed and harrassed daily for their beliefs. Not to be bashed themselves by those who think they have found a better view. This thread is meant to be support and help, not another kick in the bread-basket.

[Praetorian Cohort 0]

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM
Author: dev
And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

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That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion. I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult. To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it. It doesn't bother me too much.

[Fischbob 9]

Date: 1/3/2006 2:19:31 AM Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM Author: dev And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion.  I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult.  To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it.  It doesn't bother me too much.

I too have been bashed, humiliated, and ridiculed by people I thought were my friends for being UU. I've been called a cultist, a heretic, and even a supporter of mass suicide . A Catholic guy I know told me that his priest said that I was not to be associated with. Fortunately, I haven't experienced anything along those lines as of late, and I don't think it'd bother me as much now anyway.

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Date: 1/1/2006 9:48:10 PM Author: vidioman Rock and roll isn't religion, it is a musical genre. To be a religion it has to answer the who's, how's, what's, where's, when's, and why's of life.

Actually the word religion is derived from repeated rituals. I am not religious. If you listen to a specific rock album 3 times a day, at 9:00am/3:00pm and8:00pm religiously; then it most certainly is a religion.

 

EDIT: actually I am religious!

 

1050 posts over 210 days, equals 5 posts per day with no remainder. I post an average of 5 ST replies daily and religiously.

 

Second EDIT: All hail the great and powerful Dirk. Raaaaaaammmmm,......Rrraaaaaaaaaaam

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 1/3/2006 2:19:31 AM
Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM

Author: dev

And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

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That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion. I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult. To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it. It doesn't bother me too much.

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Interesting that it is those of other Christian faiths who bash you, and not those who are non-Christian.

Or do they, too, occasionally bash you?

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 1/3/2006 7:31:20 AM Author: Fischbob

Date: 1/3/2006 2:19:31 AM Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM Author: dev And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion. I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult. To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it. It doesn't bother me too much.

I too have been bashed, humiliated, and ridiculed by people I thought were my friends for being UU. I've been called a cultist, a heretic, and even a supporter of mass suicide . A Catholic guy I know told me that his priest said that I was not to be associated with. Fortunately, I haven't experienced anything along those lines as of late, and I don't think it'd bother me as much now anyway.

 

These are good points.  I personally have strong religious convictions and I've resisted urges to comment and make assorted personal points throughout the thread.  That's b/c the original intention of the thread (and the reason it's still being kept) is not to make others believe one's point of view but rather to be used as a way to share and offer support for teasing, harrassment, etc., and the various aspects of life that comes for holding one's point of view and openly doing so in public.

[TheCrybKeeper 301]

Date: 1/3/2006 3:01:44 PM Author: Joesocwork

These are good points.  I personally have strong religious convictions and I've resisted urges to comment and make assorted personal points throughout the thread.  That's b/c the original intention of the thread (and the reason it's still being kept) is not to make others believe one's point of view but rather to be used as a way to share and offer support for teasing, harrassment, etc., and the various aspects of life that comes for holding one's point of view and openly doing so in public.

Oh gosh, Joe....I cannot resist it. I did however keep Christ out of my posts here at ST. nearly 1000 of them. I kept my passion to myself and instead focused on my other passions, of nurturing web sites and playing a very addictive game.

 That is the point of passion is it not? I am faithful to my belief and yet, I am the only one passionate enough about my Christ to see;

 

This cannot remain a support thread and remain our personal passions at the same time. Thus, Dirk stated in the forum rules: No religious based threads.

 

If I need a thread for support of gaming, I come here to ST. If I need support emotionally, I'll go to my church family or another similar venue.

 

If the rule has changed recently; then this thread can legitimately become a debate or just about any topic we wish.

 

Black and white, no grey areas here.

 

Signed,

A member who loves God and loves a game forum.

Oh, how the twain have met.

 

EDIT:

*Again this nutcase cannot resist*

 

Here is some mass support for all of you:

 

If you belong to one of these administrative denominations and or follow or believe the guidelines there in;

 

 Catholic, Baptist, Southern Baptist, American Baptist, Church Of Christ in Christian Union, Mormons, Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, Jehovahs Witness, Nazerene, Methodist, Episcopalean, etc,.....

or anything thing sounding directly similar to the above labels:

 

I will surely see all of you in Heaven, we all have been, from one side of a mountain to the other and trudged the valley in between.

 

...and one day we will soar above it all and wonder, what was the fuss?

[brtim2 11]

You go Joe! That's what I was trying to say. However, when the original poster of this thread posts his intentions, and then a few pages later bashes another person's view, I think it's time for a closing.

You can keep your political and religious convictions out of any and all posts.

Example: If someone posts they prayed to Quetelcoatzl and a 'friend' of theirs laughed in their face for their belief in the power of Quetelcoatzl and they don't know what to do, you should post Yeah, that's what I go through everyday when I take my moment of silence before my meal. I've found it best just to finish my inner thoughts, look at them, smile like I know something they don't and wink as I pass them. That doesn't put your religious convictions in there. That's neuetral, it has no bias, and it's helpful. You might not agree with the poster, but you are telling them not to worry about what other people think. You should not, however, post: Haha, you worship Quetelcoatzl? Don't you know he would have been flattened by measels had he been around in 1400? Come one, it's measels! The only true diety to worship is Zues, now he's the man of Olympus. You can't go wrong with him. That isn't supportive, that isn't helpful and frankly, that's against the rules of this BB.

But I'm afraid some people will have to be reminded of this multiple times if this thread is to continue.

[Micah 16]

Date: 12/30/2005 6:07:46 PM Author: frndofyaweh

Date: 12/30/2005 11:00:40 AM Author: Micah

Ok, sorry for the double verse, but I had to ask this because I want to see who has been really reading their Bibles here...

In the Bible (in the gospels),

Q. It says you are not allowed to do two things, what are they?

Q. What is the one thing that you cannot worry about?

(I'll tell you the answer until tomorrow or until someone answers it correctly... and if you use the internet to find the answer, then shame on you).

Edited: Sorry, I didn't see your question. Hold on, I'll answer you when I come back from getting my flu shot.

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Worry of any nature is a sin. I worry of nothing.

Many more than two Micah.

Clear?

Occupations: *Hint* Luke was a surgeon by profession. His writs are viewed from that perspective.

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Nope. Those two questions were actually given to me on a college exam. (Yeah I know, it doesn't match my age description). I'll answer them if you can't answer them (and if you are right, then I should get my score changed! ). Look in Matthew for the answer to those question.

 

Anyways, your question is very engaging. So, when you say 'occupations' you mean 'profession'? Or do you really mean 'occupations'? Hopefully I'll be able to answer your question soon , but my new stinking computer keeps crashing! So for right now, I'm trying to use my old computer that crashes off and on (another words, sometimes). Yeah, all of those emotions!!

 

 

[ginchael 1]

I have been following this thread for a long time, trying to figure out what to say. I'm a confirmed Roman Catholic, but unlike Ephorex, I do not believe in the infallibility of the Bible or the Church itself. Why? Well, that can be answered with a simple question: Why Rome?

The pope was the leader of the church. But why is he now known also as the Bishop of Rome? If you remember from the Gospels (I'm not going to pull mine out and look for specific passages, so don't even ask), the Romans were the authority under which the Jews suffered. True, it was the Jewish leadership at the time who were the main archetects of His death, but it was done under Roman rule, by Roman guards (who helped to ridicule Him), by a chiefly Roman form of execution. Later on, Christians were killed by the Roman authority, even used as pyres in the Coliseum under the rule of Nero. Christians were to the Romans as the Jews were to the Nazis--a scapegoat that got all the blame of the problems caused by their own leadership (although fueled with a great bit of propaganda).

But in comes Constantine I, who sees Jesus in the sky and wins Rome in His name, and the entire empire is suddenly Christian...in name.

This is what shakes my faith. Why would the Church base in Rome? Why not the Greek cities where Paul had congregations, like Thessaly and Cornith? Why not Bethlehem? Why not Nazareth? Why not Jerusalem? To me, a church based in Rome seems like a cruel joke. True, 200 years had passed between Nero and Constantine, but that's like placing Israel in and around Aushwitz--even though its 200 years later, its still a cruel joke.

This makes it obvioius to me that there had to be some pandering involved. A state religion does not have only the interests of its congregation--it also has to worry about the interests of its nation. Power corrupts. Constatine made Christianity the state religion, and moved it to Rome in order to consolidate his power over it. He formed the council of Nicea in order to consolidate his power ovre the materials which Christians will have access to. Therefore, the message of the Church is now seen through the lense of Rome. Later, when Rome fell and became the only unifying factor in Europe, the Church became even more distorted when it had to deal with leadership responsibilities, as well as major political upheavals.

In addition, every single one of the Popes as well the writers of the Bible and the storytellers long before them were human. Humans are flawed.

Just my two cents.

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Also, I've never been persecuted for my beliefs. I live in a very tolerant and diverse area...or what I've experienced, at least.

[Joesocwork 4]

Guys, I'm not saying that you can't state what your beliefs are and be proud of them.  Just respect that this isn't the venue to impress them on others.  Also respect that absolutely no one, even of identical faiths right down to the letter, is going to see eye to eye on everything and this isn't the place for trying.  This is however, just like anyplace else in Off-Topic, a spot to share a little bit about yourselves as members of our Community w/out fear of judgment about who you are.

[brtim2 11]

Oh, oh! I can tell you 'Why Rome.' It's because Rome is the holiest city (that wasn't conquered by the Muslim faith) in all of the land. It was the greatest city of the day (that wasn't conquered by Muslims) when Christianity took hold in the known world. It was the major commercial and economic center of the world (that wasn't Muslim controlled) and lasted for hundreds of years with the Pope in power (or isolated in his walled off castle along the Tiber) to rule across the vast reaches of the world that was important to those of the Western World (because the Far East is good for nothing except silks and spices). Also, as you state, Constantine said the Empire was to be Christian because of the dream he had (or because it was politically prudent to do so lest he lose control over the population) and he wanted to have a powerful man of the church near him so he could easily access God (or to influence some of his decisions).

So it's easy to see why Rome.

[deadwoods 542]

Date: 1/3/2006 10:57:01 PM
Author: Joesocwork
... Just respect that this isn't the venue to impress them on others. ...

And that is the crux of the so-called persecution. If you're religuous beliefs involve or promote prosletyzing, there is a fair chance that you will get negative feedback from those that don't respond to it, or are quite happy with their own beliefs.

I love riding motorbikes and that's how I met my wife. I tell my friends and work colleagues about it, but I don't try to sell it to them. If I started badgering people about buying a bike, getting a licence, going on about how it changed my life, etc., pretty soon I'd tick off my friends.

This is the same with someones faith. It's yours and you're welcome to share it if encouraged, but don't force it on anyone (I hate the knock on the door during dinner time).

EDIT - found this on the web, it's a No Prosletyzing sign for your door.

https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/files//39783007_F_tn.jpg align=baseline>

[Slabrankle 4]

I'm baptist, but think that the bible should not be taken literally.

 

Also I believe that the Big Bang and evolution have too much information to be untrue.

[Cjah 15]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:13:53 AM Author: Slabrankle

I'm baptist, but think that the bible should not be taken literally.

Also I believe that the Big Bang and evolution have too much information to be untrue.

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Hmm well if you want to get into it those things you mention are only theories.....

 

Big Bang and Evolution could be as untrue as it is held true by sciencetists.....

 

Even though I belive Evolution....

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:21:52 AM
Author: Cjah

Date: 1/4/2006 1:13:53 AM Author: Slabrankle

I'm baptist, but think that the bible should not be taken literally.

Also I believe that the Big Bang and evolution have too much information to be untrue.

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Hmm well if you want to get into it those things you mention are only theories.....

Big Bang and Evolution could be as untrue as it is held true by sciencetists.....

Even though I belive Evolution....

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The big bang theory is still in its very early stages, and there are many questions yet to be answered regarding it.

However, to call evolution only a theory is like calling gravity only a theory. It's true that scientifically they are theories, and as such, could be disproven given enough evidence. However, the likelihood of that (for both evolution AND gravity) is slim.

1 The word theory, in the context of science, does not imply uncertainty. It means a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena ( Barnhart 1948 ). In the case of the theory of evolution, the following are some of the phenomena involved. All are facts:

* Life appeared on earth more than two billion years ago;
* Life forms have changed and diversified over life's history;
* Species are related via common descent from one or a few common ancestors;
* Natural selection is a significant factor affecting how species change.

Many other facts are explained by the theory of evolution as well.

2 The theory of evolution has proved itself in practice. It has useful applications in epidemiology, pest control, drug discovery, and other areas (Bull and Wichman 2001; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003).

3 Besides the theory, there is the fact of evolution, the observation that life has changed greatly over time. The fact of evolution was recognized even before Darwin's theory. The theory of evolution explains the fact.

[Praetorian Cohort 0]

Date: 1/3/2006 1:46:42 PM
Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 1/3/2006 2:19:31 AM
Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM
Author: dev
And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

quote>That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion. I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult. To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it. It doesn't bother me too much.

quote>Interesting that it is those of other Christian faiths who bash you, and not those who are non-Christian.
Or do they, too, occasionally bash you?

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Mostly it is other Christians. Sometimes a few of my Muslim friends will make a joke or two about the Church, but its the different denominations of Christianity that feel the need to inform me that I'm a devil worshiper.
To keep the current topic flowing, I believe in evolution, just not on the scale of all life originating from single-cell organisms.

[ginchael 1]

Date: 1/3/2006 11:34:45 PM Author: brtim2 Oh, oh! I can tell you 'Why Rome.' It's because Rome is the holiest city (that wasn't conquered by the Muslim faith) in all of the land. It was the greatest city of the day (that wasn't conquered by Muslims) when Christianity took hold in the known world. It was the major commercial and economic center of the world (that wasn't Muslim controlled) and lasted for hundreds of years with the Pope in power (or isolated in his walled off castle along the Tiber) to rule across the vast reaches of the world that was important to those of the Western World (because the Far East is good for nothing except silks and spices).

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Yes, that is true.  But the time difference between Constantine's conversion and the birth of Mohammad (the prophet on whose's teaching Islam is based) is at least 200 years.  Muslum infedels weren't even a factor...and that is exactly my point.  There was no basis for making the church based in Rome other than political power, and power corrupts.  That is why I can not see the infallibility of both the Pope and the Bible.

[dev 47]

Date: 1/4/2006 3:22:22 AM
Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/3/2006 1:46:42 PM

Author: MallowTheCloud

Date: 1/3/2006 2:19:31 AM

Author: Praetorian Cohort

Date: 1/2/2006 11:44:48 PM

Author: dev

And for your 30,000 plus denominations from above, think, that most likely includes Mormons, Someones Witnesses, and other wolf in sheep's clothing religions.

quote>That's a good example of how I'm bashed for my religion. I am occasionally told that my religion is led by greedy old men, that we worship the devil, or that we're a cult. To answer the question asked by the thread's creator, I normally just ignore it. It doesn't bother me too much.

quote>Interesting that it is those of other Christian faiths who bash you, and not those who are non-Christian.

Or do they, too, occasionally bash you?

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Mostly it is other Christians. Sometimes a few of my Muslim friends will make a joke or two about the Church, but its the different denominations of Christianity that feel the need to inform me that I'm a devil worshiper.

To keep the current topic flowing, I believe in evolution, just not on the scale of all life originating from single-cell organisms.

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If you recieve persecution from other Christians, I would like to ask you what your religion, or denomination is.

[Meg 368]

Date: 1/4/2006 11:52:22 AM Author: dev

If you recieve persecution from other Christians, I would like to ask you what your religion, or denomination is.

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What difference does that make?  What grounds are there for persecuting or bashing anyone?

[dev 47]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:22:20 PM
Author: SkiGeek

Date: 1/4/2006 11:52:22 AM Author: dev

If you recieve persecution from other Christians, I would like to ask you what your religion, or denomination is.

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What difference does that make? What grounds are there for persecuting or bashing anyone?

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The difference would be as following:

If one belongs to a church as the Mormon Church, since they have written their own Bible, they would be complete defiances of the scripture, which, in turn, I would consider going to you know where in a hand basket. These religions have potential as Christian...but are corrupted. Same with the Witnesses.

[Meg 368]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:37:41 PM Author: dev 

 The difference would be as following: If one belongs to a church as the Mormon Church, since they have written their own Bible, they would be complete defiances of the scripture, which, in turn, I would consider going to you know where in a hand basket. These religions have potential as Christian...but are corrupted. Same with the Witnesses.

 

So, if I understand correctly, if person A believes that Written Book X is corrupted, then it's okay for person A to bash anyone who believes in Written Book X? 

 

By that logic, it would be okay to anyone (me, for example) to bash anyone who believes in the Bible since I believe it was corrupted centuries ago.  

 

To me, this logic makes no sense.  I can have my opinions about other beliefs and my own experiences but going around bashing people is a violation of the  golden rule, which has basis in many different religions.

 

and I certainly don't understand the logic of I don't like being bashed but it's okay for me to bash other people.

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 1/4/2006 1:37:41 PM Author: dev

Date: 1/4/2006 1:22:20 PM Author: SkiGeek

Date: 1/4/2006 11:52:22 AM Author: dev

If you recieve persecution from other Christians, I would like to ask you what your religion, or denomination is.

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What difference does that make? What grounds are there for persecuting or bashing anyone?

quote> The difference would be as following: If one belongs to a church as the Mormon Church, since they have written their own Bible, they would be complete defiances of the scripture, which, in turn, I would consider going to you know where in a hand basket. These religions have potential as Christian...but are corrupted. Same with the Witnesses.

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Well Dev I feel disappointed buddy.  I wholeheartedly believe in the Deity inspiration of the Bible and I'm suspecting that I'm probably to the right of you on most religious (not to mention political) issues.  And as such I see nowhere in the New Testament where the apostles or other christians bashed or teased others who did not believe as they believe.  I see where they taught, but there were always contexts on which they did the teaching.   Further, based on this line of the conversation I find your description of reason of thread deceiving:  you apparently didn't mean who among the ST Community who considers themselves Christians (or other beliefs?) to be bashed, you meant specifically who holds your beliefs to be persecuted.  And then on top of that you then use violate ST rules by calling groups of people inflammatory names.  Again,  I am very disappointed.

 

From this point, if this thread is be this thread is to be kept open then it should be used to discuss teasing, harrassment one receives for their religious points of view and  to offer the support for the same.  I strongly encourage that support to be positive in nature.  And bashing other people's religious beliefs will not be accepted!!!

[Zelgadis 638]

I wholeheartedly support leaving the of judgement of other religions, for whatever reason, out of this thread.

While we are all free to believe whatever we like, it does not necessarily give us the freedom to blurt it out in a public forum. I may believe that a co-worker of mine is unattractive, but I'm certainly not going to say it to him/her or anyone else. Our laws guarantee our civilization, but personal restraint is what guarantees our social fabric and well-being.

Case in point: the several declarations that religion A's members will all go to Hell because it does not conform or is heresy to religion B. This is, in my opinion, the most insulting thing that one human being can say to another. I have observed first hand what such a kind of intimidation can do to a person and the effects that it can have over a lifetime and throughout generations.

So please, no more about Hell, at all. Such a discussion does not belong here.

And if there are any Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses who are members of ST, Please understand that you and everyone else, regardless of religion, is welcome here, despite what the minority might say.

ISF

[Micah 16]

(((Off-topic)))

Even though this thread has had some rough bumps here and there, it appears to be proving that SimTropolis can handle steamy topics like this. Although I must say that I'll give it atleast 10 more pages to see if it still stays on track and doesn't go into places we would rather not mention.

_____________________________________________________________________________________

 

(((Back on topic)))

 

 I'm confused, so does the Roman Catholic Church believe that they are the supreme church of God? (directed towards anyone who can answer it). Also, I thought it was rather interesting reading about the UU. Towards the person who posted that article on here (I forgot their screenname), is the UU all around the world? or just in places like parts of Europe and America?

 

Edited: Oh sorry!!! I meant to put bumps not bumbs!!! SORRY! That's a bad mistake!

[Lyhoko Leaci 770]

I don't really believe in any religion, I just go by my own rules, which is basically just try to be good to everyone and try not to hurt anyone in any way, physically, mentally, or emotionally. (even though this isn't always the case)

[dev 47]

Date: 1/4/2006 2:25:06 PM
Author: SkiGeek

Date: 1/4/2006 1:37:41 PM Author: dev

The difference would be as following: If one belongs to a church as the Mormon Church, since they have written their own Bible, they would be complete defiances of the scripture, which, in turn, I would consider going to you know where in a hand basket. These religions have potential as Christian...but are corrupted. Same with the Witnesses.

So, if I understand correctly, if person A believes that Written Book X is corrupted, then it's okay for person A to bash anyone who believes in Written Book X? 

By that logic, it would be okay to anyone (me, for example) to bash anyone who believes in the Bible since I believe it was corrupted centuries ago.  

To me, this logic makes no sense.  I can have my opinions about other beliefs and my own experiences but going around bashing people is a violation of the golden rule, which has basis in many different religions.

and I certainly don't understand the logic of 'I don't like being bashed but it's okay for me to bash other people'.

I think both you and Joe don't understand what I'm saying here. I am saying, that if I am a fundamentalist Christian, I would whole heartedly believe that Mormons/Witnesses, and others are not Christians. I never supported any bashing whatsoever. I was simply wondering why Christians where persecuting someone...I do not support this, and never said such, I just look a little deeper than the label Christian, I look at the beliefs, and the facts of the subject.

If I might add a footnote...This thread was created with the intention to discuss, debate, and offer religious support. Not bashing (which I do not see where I have done so). My SimTropolis Church was changed to a House of Worship...why is the closet not a SimTropolis Sexual Orientation Room ? I see no need for either change, the reason of the thread is there, it is inclusive enough. I do indeed I find it somewhat odd that m****n can be discussed in one thread  while we cannot discuss why a religion is false in another. (This footnote is not meant to cause a stir, I just really hope we can decide on the path this thread will take, and give it somewhat of a mission statement, because right now, it is not going anywhere good...)

[Cjah 15]

Such disrespect....

If I had a god I bet he'd be angry....

 

I've seen you bash anyone who disagrees with you even if they aren't against you.....I just hope your manner improves and us who know not of religion can continue learning something like before all this bashing....

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 1/5/2006 1:22:11 AM Author: dev

Date: 1/4/2006 2:25:06 PM Author: SkiGeek

Date: 1/4/2006 1:37:41 PM Author: dev

The difference would be as following: If one belongs to a church as the Mormon Church, since they have written their own Bible, they would be complete defiances of the scripture, which, in turn, I would consider going to you know where in a hand basket. These religions have potential as Christian...but are corrupted. Same with the Witnesses.

So, if I understand correctly, if person A believes that Written Book X is corrupted, then it's okay for person A to bash anyone who believes in Written Book X?

By that logic, it would be okay to anyone (me, for example) to bash anyone who believes in the Bible since I believe it was corrupted centuries ago.

To me, this logic makes no sense. I can have my opinions about other beliefs and my own experiences but going around bashing people is a violation of the golden rule, which has basis in many different religions.

and I certainly don't understand the logic of 'I don't like being bashed but it's okay for me to bash other people'.

I think both you and Joe don't understand what I'm saying here. I am saying, that if I am a fundamentalist Christian, I would whole heartedly believe that Mormons/Witnesses, and others are not Christians. I never supported any bashing whatsoever. I was simply wondering why 'Christians' where 'persecuting' someone...I do not support this, and never said such, I just look a little deeper than the label 'Christian', I look at the beliefs, and the facts of the subject. If I might add a footnote...This thread was created with the intention to discuss, debate, and offer religious support. Not bashing (which I do not see where I have done so). My SimTropolis 'Church' was changed to a 'House of Worship'...why is the closet not a 'SimTropolis Sexual Orientation Room' ? I see no need for either change, the reason of the thread is there, it is inclusive enough. I do indeed I find it somewhat odd that m***n can be discussed in one thread while we cannot discuss why a religion is false in another. (This footnote is not meant to cause a stir, I just really hope we can decide on the path this thread will take, and give it somewhat of a mission statement, because right now, it is not going anywhere good...) 

Dev, I would have lots of problems with the other thread if it was used to convert people to a specific sexual orientation or if the Members who posted in there set a tight limit on what constitutes the appropriate sexual orientation for participation.

 

And I have given this thread a Mission Statement:

From this point, this thread... should be used to discuss teasing and harrassment that one receives for their religious points of view (whatever they may -my addition) and  to offer the support for the same.  I strongly encourage that support to be positive in nature.  And bashing other people's religious beliefs will not be accepted!!!

 

Members have been reprimanded and their posts edited here by ST staff for making rude comments toward others b/c of their religious beliefs and their sexual orientation and those reprimands and editing will continue to happen!  We also won't let individual members dictate to management what the site will or will not accept. The bashing of individual members won't be permitted here either!

 

Meanwhile both threads can be successful and will be allowed to stand if the Community use them to positively share about their lives and not as venues to dictate and discriminate against others. 

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Just to be clear, telling someone their beliefs are a wolf in sheep's clothing and that they are going to you know where in a hand basket is bashing them and their beliefs.  and calling someone's religion false is bashing them and their beliefs.

 

And, since there seems to be some confusion about it, the name of the thread was changed from Church to House of Worship because there are places other than churches to practice one's faith and this thread is not limited to those who attend churches.