SPAM and NAM

[Usai01 0]

Hello,

 

first sorry for my english (im german).
I dont get it how Spam is suposed to work. After building som agriculture fields the RCI-Graph for I-Ag goes down to zero. At this point eyry other field is not developed. If i buldoze all agrar the RCI just stands by zero and no field will developed ever.
Whats wrong with this mod, or works NAM not together with SPAM and if so what?
Is there a solution to get NAM (i need it for the traffic pathfinding) and SPAM working together?

Thx Usai.

[rsc204 21,866]

SPAM and the NAM will work happily together, however the Traffic Simulator for SPAM (an option when installing SPAM) is not compatible with the one in the NAM. Generally speaking if you are building cities, remove the SPAM traffic simulator, but in some specific scenarios you might (if not interested in the NAM features) decide to use the SPAM one instead. It's best to check the readme with the SPAM so you can see which option is best for you.

[blunder 1,080]

SPAM and the NAM will work happily together, however the Traffic Simulator for SPAM (an option when installing SPAM) is not compatible with the one in the NAM. Generally speaking if you are building cities, remove the SPAM traffic simulator, but in some specific scenarios you might (if not interested in the NAM features) decide to use the SPAM one instead. It's best to check the readme with the SPAM so you can see which option is best for you.

 

The optional SPAM traffic controller IS NOT part of the main SPAM download.  It is an entirely separate download that you have to go out of your way to add to your plugins and is in no way, shape, form, or any stretch of the imagination bundled in with the SPAM, It is an optional side addon to fill a small niche, and-no offense intended-i really wish people would figure that out before feeling the need to issue a false warning. 

 

 

Hello,

 

After building som agriculture fields the RCI-Graph for I-Ag goes down to zero. At this point eyry other field is not developed. If i buldoze all agrar the RCI just stands by zero and no field will developed ever.

 

This is a maxis bug where I-Ag demand disappears when you hit a certain amount of satisfied occupancy of other things and never comes back. It usually means you have a farming related or demand mod or lot that isn't fully compatible loading after the SPAM.  The easiest thing to try is to move the SPAM files into a folder that will load last, such as ...My Docs/Simcity 4/Plugins/z_____last/spam/subfolders.  If that doesn't work you need to look for the farm or demand mod that is not compatible and causing the trouble using process of elimination.  The SPAM works perfectly fine with NAM on its own.

[rsc204 21,866]

Oops, sorry that was totally my mistake, I got mixed up, frankly I don't install anything these days from installers, it's all in packages, somewhere. My intent was to explain that it may indeed be one of those "niche" situations, so as not to explicitly state don't use it.

[Usai01 0]

Hm at least ive figured out that some downloads from some Sites dont give all information about dependencies mods for SPAM.
Before ive tested it to load it at last (zzz_last/Spam...) but still the same problem. Ive tested it one completly new region.. also nothing.
Now i testing it only Vanilla+ Patches+ SPAM and dependencies* , this seems to work.

I think also it could be that something is wrong with the EducationQoutient SPAM and NAM together brings at ca. EQ 50 the Prob you never again can build a I-Ag-$ on this maptile.

The last thing i can try now to test if it possible the missing dependencies forces the agrar-bug.
This long testing is annoying.
 

 

http://paeng.e-workers.de/gallery/city_journals/agriculture.php

* PEG MTP SUPER RESOURCE PACK * Murimk Farm Addons for SPAM Vol1: Barns * Murimk Farm Addons for SPAM Vol02: Farmhouses


 

[Usai01 0]

Oh no i belief i beginn to understand. With only SPAM the same things happens just a bit later. I think this are not the mods. If the sims getting more educated they leave their farmjobs for better jobs as I-Ag-$ perhaps they go into I-Industrie-$. At this time agrarfields or not longer needed because of no Jobers.
Ive tryd to make a small ghetto upside the schoolbuildings and a few of them fresh nature people go at work for farming.
Im not sure if simcity vanilla also works but i think so.
But this makes me think agrar is no need, and if so with SPAM for what? Do farms suply the Industry or common buildings? Oh dear, i hope it.. please not for nothing all the annoying tests and the whole thread. Just for the eye of cool farms.

Do farms in Spam ever grow alone to AG1-AG5? Or have i to bulldoze it and hope the next is AG5?.. Again a Question what i not understand without the education is SPAM just for the Eye.

[rsc204 21,866]

All the information on how this mod works is in the documentation, it's quite extensive, so go through that again maybe?

 

SPAM is one of those "bigger" mods that changes the rules of the game, like all such mods you should take it easy when installing it, there indeed will be things that may not work with it.

 

In essence SPAM is intended for players who want more rural areas or for Agricultural to become a larger part of the industrial mix. However SC4 was programmed in such a way that when your sims become educated and industry grows, all farm demand will cease. SPAM does help to increase it's viability, but you will still find a point where if you build too much industry your demand will stop for AG. All the farm lots work the same as Maxis ones, in that they will upgrade so long as the conditions for such improvements are met. For example SPAM farms can grow without power or water, but you won't get higher stage growth without both. Education should not be a barrier to farming demand with SPAM installed.

 

One last thing, do make absolutely sure you are not using both the SPAM traffic simulator and NAM traffic simulator, they will conflict and cause who knows what side effects.

[Ganaram Inukshuk 906]

One last thing, do make absolutely sure you are not using both the SPAM traffic simulator and NAM traffic simulator, they will conflict and cause who knows what side effects.

That wouldn't be the case, though. What'll happen is that whichever is alphabetically (or rather, ASCIIbetically) last is the one that loads and the only thing the game will recognise. Either way, bad stuff happens.