Are we "immortal"?

[Munchiez 74]

So, when you say that when the new person is reconstructed at the other end, they are "convinced" to think that they're that person. I suppose that you could somehow store the memories of the person and copy them down into the other, so that way it is pretty much the same person....but not really. It wouldn't be the same person though, and if at all, the person would probably be completely different.

I think that we are making it harder than it really needs to be, I think (my silly theory)this:

Okay, we break something or someone down into trillions of atoms, every single one. In theory this means that we have deconstructed that being/object. So then we have to find a way to send/move those atoms to another place....let's say a far away planet lightyears away. So we have to figure out how we can send those atoms there, all together, and send them fast. I suppose light speed is the fastest speed in existence? So even then, what do we do? Launch them at light speed? Then what?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Pretty much describes the Star Trek transporter.  Intimations of mortality.  Anyone else seen the STNG episode in which Scotty is resurrected from a pattern buffer in a transporter on a crashed vessel?

[Munchiez 74]

I am still wondering how we could go about moving all those particles somewhere at incredible speeds? Is there really a way, I assume that anything is 'technically' possible.. right?

[Cool_Z 1,547]

That's not the way people think it would work. They think more of using raw material at the other end (because if you have to rebuild a complete person from separate atoms it's not more difficult)

 

But the "transport" problem is still here. You don't have to transmit matter, but information. You can go faster (up to the speed of light) much easily, but for distant loctions the speed of light still isn't enough.

[Munchiez 74]

That's not the way people think it would work. They think more of using raw material at the other end (because if you have to rebuild a complete person from separate atoms it's not more difficult)

 

But the "transport" problem is still here. You don't have to transmit matter, but information. You can go faster (up to the speed of light) much easily, but for distant loctions the speed of light still isn't enough.

True, so what you're saying is that the information (data) can transferred to that location via light speed, then that information I suppose would direct the atoms in forming into that being/object on the other side? So like I said before, that would mean that it's a new person/object but the information (data) is transferred over. Could I compare it to a broken computer will all the files saved and then transfered into an exact physical copy of said computer and information placed on it?

[Cool_Z 1,547]

 

That's not the way people think it would work. They think more of using raw material at the other end (because if you have to rebuild a complete person from separate atoms it's not more difficult)

 

But the "transport" problem is still here. You don't have to transmit matter, but information. You can go faster (up to the speed of light) much easily, but for distant loctions the speed of light still isn't enough.

True, so what you're saying is that the information (data) can transferred to that location via light speed, then that information I suppose would direct the atoms in forming into that being/object on the other side? So like I said before, that would mean that it's a new person/object but the information (data) is transferred over. Could I compare it to a broken computer will all the files saved and then transfered into an exact physical copy of said computer and information placed on it?

 

 

Exactly. It would be an accurate copy of the person transferred, with all the operating system and files... oops sorry, I mean knowledge and memories of said person.

[Munchiez 74]

Ha! It's awesome to think about that. I wonder when we will be able to do these things? It seems like technology and innovation know no bounds and sooner than later this may become reality, eh?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

How many of us have heard of quantum parity?  That's ;probably how this is going to have to work.  The transmission speed would be zero,.

[Munchiez 74]

I have never heard of it before. How is that so?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Well, it is a bit of arcane stuff in the quantum theory.  Saw it on a science program a couple of years ago, but no source was attributed.  Seems that if you can provoke it at a given site, the behaviour is duplicated elsewhere through no-time, no-space.

[Munchiez 74]

Woah, very interesting indeed! I'd like to see this happen sometime, curious to what we could do with a little experiment.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

When you are up to the math, here is an article that will explain this.  To say the least, there is a lot of argument about this.

[zombie615 9]

I don't know about all this math an stuff but I sure hope we are not immortal. This world we live in is a wasteland of poverty due to the destructive nature we all posses. We all see reality as if we are going forward in technology an one day everything will be under complete control. <-- that will never happen. We are doomed no matter what. Life takes its course an regardless of the inventions that we propose will save our humankind in the end what we do not understand will still overtake our being. Thus hence why I'd rather die an be done than come an relive to see the inevitable.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Have patience.  Nature will take its course, and if Homo Sapiens becomes no longer a viable species it will be replaced in the ordinary course of things.  We seem to be making every effort to stop evolution in its tracks but resistance is futile.

[BLANKBLANK 4,414]

Have patience.  Nature will take its course, and if Homo Sapiens becomes no longer a viable species it will be replaced in the ordinary course of things.  We seem to be making every effort to stop evolution in its tracks but resistance is futile.

 

Hold on! Hold on! I sincerely doubt we're going to kill ourselves off. Now if a black hole happens to pass by the Solar System; fair enough- that's pretty rotten luck. But we're advancing so quickly I'm sure space travel is going to be both cheaper, far more faster and practical in the next one hundred years. Once we can travel to other stars in a reasonable time (i.e. a few weeks) then we can colonise other worlds. No longer would we be placing all of our eggs in one basket; Earth.

 

So have some optimism, without optimism early Homo Sapiens would have given up long ago. Resistance is futile if early man had been too scared to survive in what was a harsh world.

 

It's funny because there's so much pessimism in the Western world despite being surrounded by luxuries and amazing technologies. The internet makes instantaneous global communication possible, information is carried in energy forms, we have cars and public transport which makes light work of travelling across a country, and there's thousands of amazing technologies which make our life so convenient and far less burdensome. Heck, to a limited degree scientists can teleport small particles, induce fusion, rearrange atoms and even construct structures on the nano scale.

 

Seriously this glass half-empty mentality is a bit self-defeating, without hope and faith no one would have any reason to live or form bonds with others; because apparently it's all futile in the big picture.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Object all you like.  Man proposes but Nature has the last word.

[Cool_Z 1,547]

But we are no animals... we can fight extinction.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Well, yes.  That's the nature of the beast.  It doesn't mean, however, that we don't have the potential to wipe ourselves out either by keeping the unfit alive or by blowing ourselves up.  Nature's best chance of allowing us to remove ourselves is overpopulation.  Since we live on only one planet, so far, we've a very good chance of racial suicide.

 

"I don't know with what weapons WW III will be fought, but

WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein.

[Cool_Z 1,547]

Well, yes.  That's the nature of the beast.  It doesn't mean, however, that we don't have the potential to wipe ourselves out either by keeping the unfit alive or by blowing ourselves up.  Nature's best chance of allowing us to remove ourselves is overpopulation.  Since we live on only one planet, so far, we've a very good chance of racial suicide.

 

"I don't know with what weapons WW III will be fought, but

WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein.

 

Right, we are our worst enemy !!

[Munchiez 74]

Well, yes.  That's the nature of the beast.  It doesn't mean, however, that we don't have the potential to wipe ourselves out either by keeping the unfit alive or by blowing ourselves up.  Nature's best chance of allowing us to remove ourselves is overpopulation.  Since we live on only one planet, so far, we've a very good chance of racial suicide.

 

"I don't know with what weapons WW III will be fought, but

WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

Albert Einstein.

Very true. There will be a point where the Earth cannot sustain such population, yes? Then what...well I suppose it'll do a "reset" of sorts.

[simcityerr 2]

Object all you like.  Man proposes but Nature has the last word.

 

 

At least for now, we'll be able to modify the weather at least soon. Unless you're talking about natural physical laws, no we can't change those.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

 

Object all you like.  Man proposes but Nature has the last word.

 

 

At least for now, we'll be able to modify the weather at least soon. Unless you're talking about natural physical laws, no we can't change those.

 

And just where to you propose to get the energy to change the weather?  Even a fusion reaction won't have enough power.  You are dealing with cosmic actions here.

 

And remember that weather is an integrated dynamic system.  If you poke it in one place, some disaster will happen somewhere else.  Weather control may turn out to be the worst weapon ever devised.