Intersections screwing up badly. (New Nam??)

[kujoe 0]

I'm posting here because this only happened after getting the new most recent NAM. But I can't be sure it IS the nam's fault.

Anyhow, I'm having a problem making a certain type of intersection.

I used to always be able to easily make this type of intersection in Figure A.

Figure A:


To make this I would just drag a road from the only one side of the avenue.

However, lately, I cannot make this type of intersection at all. Whenever I try to make the type of intersection illustrated in Figure A, it forces me to make one like in Figure B instead.

Figure B:


Also, when doing the avenue/highway perpindicular highway ramps, on the new NAM versions, there is this bright green texture that shows up on all zoom levels, as shown in Figure C.

Figure C:



Can anyone please help me with my intersection issues? I'm willing to do whatever I can as a test dummy to help anyone in testing fixes, or whatever I need to do to get this fixed.

Thanks!

[theprofessor172 0]

I'm no expert, but I'd make sure you followed the instructions when installing all the plugins...

[kujoe 0]

Date: 10/9/2005 3:18:44 PM
Author: theprofessor172
I'm no expert, but I'd make sure you followed the instructions when installing all the plugins...

quote>
Thanks for the help, but I can assure you that is definitely not the issue.

[SamFlash 0]

I've never seen the green blocks before.  Since there are a number of files associated with the NAM You might try removing all of them and then putting them back one at a time, checking in between to see which one causes this problem to come back.  At least then you would know which file is causing the problem. 

[Bones1 96]

I tried both your scenarios with the new NAM. It seems to work okay for me. The non-crossing road T-intersection still works, and I don't have any green spots on my ground-highway avenue exits.

Road turning lanes are a little funky for T-intersections, though. The turning lanes only seem to show up on 2 of the 3 roads. Is this to be expected? I didn't see any mention of it in the turning lanes thread.

[prince_of_sims 0]

it's a question of practicality. is there really a use for a left turn lane when there is no road to the left? think about it, a T-intersection only needs two left turn lanes.

[ricb 19]

After doing a reinstall of RH I got the green textures too. Until I reinstalled one of the RH patches (I forget wich one, but it dealt with issues around ramps) I think the reason it came out that way was because I had the NAM installed. Anyway reinstalling the patch should take care of it.

[Fischbob 9]

Did you download the newest update from Simcity.com?

[Andreas Roth 614]

It's clearly stated in the readme file that you need the RH update from simcity.ea.com. Without it, some things may not function properly - so it's not the fault of the NAM! When creating intersections, sometimes it depends from what direction you are drawing the different network types. If it doesn't work when you start the road from the avenue, try dragging it from outside towards the avenue, or the other way round.

[DJGspinNhitz 7]

I don't know if this will help but I could get some of the NAM features to work until I re-named the file by adding ZZZ in front of its file name so it loaded last, this was the way I got the turning lanes working, It is likely a file conflict somewhere, with 3 gigs of files I just know that it makes it work, I use this for most of the mods so I know they will load last and over ride any other conflicting files. works for me and it can't hurt anything.

GQ

[Bones1 96]

Date: 10/9/2005 9:33:25 PM Author: prince_of_sims it's a question of practicality. is there really a use for a left turn lane when there is no road to the left? think about it, a T-intersection only needs two left turn lanes.

quote>

Ooops, duh! You're very right. I guess I should stop taking those stupid pills.

[+Guest]

NAM is the greatest thing since slice bread.It may not be perfect but I can't imagine a city without NAM.Goodluck with your problem and remember reading doesn't hurt.

[kujoe 0]

What a lot of you people are assuming, is that I didn't install it properly, or that I did something wrong. I am not computer illiterate and I know what I'm doing.

Everything was working perfectly, then one day it just randomly stopped working perfectly.

But guess what, today I loaded the game up, still acting weird. I quit to come read email and check up on here, load the game back up, and now it just randomly works, with no changes being done to the game or plugins at all.

I swear my PC is possessed.

[Bones1 96]

You're not logging in with different userid's are you? Most of the plugins are stored under My Documents, which is user-specific.

[kujoe 0]

Date: 10/10/2005 12:39:15 PM
Author: Bones1
You're not logging in with different userid's are you? Most of the plugins are stored under 'My Documents', which is user-specific.

quote>I already said the issue is fixed. It's one computer, one profile.

Why is everyone assuming I'm stupid? I program and build computers for a living, I know my way around a PC.

[Bones1 96]

Date: 10/10/2005 1:05:11 PM Author: kujoe

Date: 10/10/2005 12:39:15 PM Author: Bones1 You're not logging in with different userid's are you? Most of the plugins are stored under 'My Documents', which is user-specific.

quote>I already said the issue is fixed. It's one computer, one profile.

quote>

 

You didn't say the issue was fixed. You said your computer is possessed. That's fixed???

 

Why is everyone assuming I'm stupid? I program and build computers for a living, I know my way around a PC.

quote>

 

It seems you're the only one having this problem. Thus, it's logical to assume it's because of user error, and not a problem with the NAM. Just because you have a problem with the game or some plugin conflict, doesn't mean we assume you're stupid. Don't be so sensitive, we're just trying to help you narrow down the problem.

[kujoe 0]

Date: 10/10/2005 1:23:36 PM
Author: Bones1

Date: 10/10/2005 1:05:11 PM Author: kujoe

Date: 10/10/2005 12:39:15 PM Author: Bones1 You're not logging in with different userid's are you? Most of the plugins are stored under 'My Documents', which is user-specific.

quote>I already said the issue is fixed. It's one computer, one profile.

quote>

You didn't say the issue was fixed. You said your computer is possessed. That's fixed???

Why is everyone assuming I'm stupid? I program and build computers for a living, I know my way around a PC.

quote>

It seems you're the only one having this problem. Thus, it's logical to assume it's because of 'user error', and not a problem with the NAM. Just because you have a problem with the game or some plugin conflict, doesn't mean we assume you're stupid. Don't be so sensitive, we're just trying to help you narrow down the problem.

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If you carefully read my post above I stated:

But guess what, today I loaded the game up, still acting weird. I quit to come read email and check up on here, load the game back up, and now it just randomly works, with no changes being done to the game or plugins at all.

quote>Although I could see how you think it still doesn't work for me.

Anyhow, a lot of these problems are not necessarily user error. Things like this could happen just because files get corrupted, or new files don't play nice with the game, etc.. It's not safest to automatically assume user error. It's safest to explore all options. Maybe the game is messed up? Maybe the files are bad?

I do tech support for all my clients, and if I just assumed it was user error, even if I knew it was, they would feel offended and I'd not have their support contract anymore. I'm not being sensitive, I'm being professional.

[Bones1 96]

Well, I can understand your graphics glitch (the bright green squares) could be a random bug, but I just don't see how your issue with not being able to build the Figure A intersection could be random.

For the graphics glitch, do all the usual stuff like update drivers, turn down the performance settings, etc.

 

For the intersection bug, I don't believe it's random. Remove all your plugins, reinstall NAM, and then see how it works. My guess is that you've got another traffic-related plugin that's conflicting with NAM.

[Keiran Halcyon 0]

Kujoe is not the only one who has had this error. There were one or two people who had this problem with an earlier version of NAM. IIRC, the problem was that they didn't have the latest maxis patch, but I could be wrong.

EDIT: By this error, I'm talking about the green textures, not the intersection drawing issue.

EDIT 2: Found it. It was on page 95. https://www.simtropolis.com/idealbb/view.asp?mode=viewtopic&topicID=64340&num=30&pageNo=95#577796 Turns out I was wrong, it doesn't look like any cause was found, but reinstalling seemed to fix it.

[DJGspinNhitz 7]

We are all not assuming user error, NAM is BETA for a reason it has bugs and can have file conflicts with other files, especially from some people who don't test thier BATs and Lot well before uploading them. I never had a problem until the last 2 releases, I learned like I said to add ZZZ to the front of the file name this solved all my problems since it loads last. SC4 loads files in order and if to file are the same it uses the last one loaded, as I understand it. Try it, I downloaded this version and had no turning lanes again, so I did that and all is well. It is likely a file conflict somewhere. It could be NAM alone, everyone has different computers and software so maybe, but everyone is trying to help and we have no idea of your computer knowledge when we respond, we start with the most common mistakes until you give us more feedback. Don't get upset, you should feel good that so many people try to help you out, not that they are wrong, you don't have to agree with our answers, we offer them out of a desire to help you enjoy the game we all love.

GQ

[kujoe 0]

So how does one explain that it fixed itself without me doing anything?

[ricb 19]

Sorry if it sounds that way, but I wasn't blaming the NAM, The green textures only appeared in NAM interchanges. I still needed the RH patch to make them go away, and that's what I was trying to say.

[wunmu 0]

To make the road/avenue T-connection in Figure A, lay out the road first, then lay out the avenue. It will work all the time.

[Bones1 96]

Date: 10/10/2005 3:02:12 PM Author: kujoe So how does one explain that it fixed itself without me doing anything?

Are you saying that the intersection problem went away all by itself? Sorry, I don't believe that. You had to be making the intersection wrong, if it didn't work previously. Either that, or something did change such as removing a plugin or something. But anyway, I'm glad everything is working for you now.

 

EDIT: One more thought....   Sometimes, intersections can't be made because the terrain underneath is not even. If you're having problems making intersections, try flattening the ground around the area, and try again.

[DJGspinNhitz 7]

like I said it is BETA and it does have bugs. sometime it gives me problems cause crash to desktop other day it is fine, who knows it is a MOD and it ia alway going to be BETA so problem will come and go.  I am glad to hear it is working for you though, it is a great addition to the game for sure.

GQ

[kujoe 0]

Date: 10/10/2005 4:49:34 PM
Author: Bones1

Date: 10/10/2005 3:02:12 PM Author: kujoe So how does one explain that it fixed itself without me doing anything?

Are you saying that the intersection problem went away all by itself? Sorry, I don't believe that. You had to be making the intersection wrong, if it didn't work previously. Either that, or something did change such as removing a plugin or something. But anyway, I'm glad everything is working for you now.

EDIT: One more thought.... Sometimes, intersections can't be made because the terrain underneath is not even. If you're having problems making intersections, try flattening the ground around the area, and try again.

quote>That's exactly what I'm saying. It fixed itself without me doing anything. It was working fine up until a few days ago, then it was acting up, and now it's working fine again. No new plugins, nothing removed, absolutely nothing changed. It fixed itself. Hence why I said I think my PC is possessed.

[Keiran Halcyon 0]

Could it have been dust on the CD?

[Bones1 96]

I don't see how a dirty CD could cause random game problems. The CD is only used for the initial SafeDisc copy-protection check.

I don't see how not being able to make a particular intersection type could possibly be random. Either it should work, or it should be broken. There must be something else involved, such as terrain smoothness, nearby roads or buildings, ... something.

 

If the computer is truly possessed and is causing random problems, then there's got to be a hardware problem (bad memory?), or a very strange virus breaking and fixing various programs (highly unlikely). I wouldn't use that computer for anything important until it gets a thorough burn-in check (especially the RAM), and a complete O/S and software reinstall.

[JayStimson 211]

I'd like to suggest running a diagnostic check on your graphics card (and RAM memory). Software doesn't act random like you're describing but hardware can have intermittent failures when a component becomes marginal. This type of problem can also occur when a new graphics card is added (one that requires more power than the old one it replaced), and the system power supply isn't upgraded to match.  That's my $.02