Bad High Wealth Abandonment

[IceReaver 1]

I have a city with a total population of 215,000 and it's the only city in the region right now. I have just started getting pretty bad high wealth abandonment once the population hit 200,000 and I'm not sure what had suddenly happened. Everything was fine until the 200,000 population level. According to the jobs graph in game (not sure how accurate that is really) it says I have

30,000 R$$$ Population

45,000 CO$$$ Jobs

32,000 I-HT Jobs

13,000 CS$$$ Jobs

I have bus and Extensive Subway system running through the city. I have about half of my high wealth buildings already abandoned and another 1/3 of whats left with no job zots over them cause of commute time. My roads are not heavily used except the highway and moderate use of the subways.

None of my city is plopped job or residential wise just civic buildings. I have no demand mod installed but I do have CAM installed which I have read is suppose to fix the high wealth not working in I-HT but if i query my high tech buildings no high wealth work there at all just mid and low wealth. Any help on what may be going on will be greatly appreciated. Thank you

[Gurning_Chimp 398]

Could be the tax rate. I'd suggest having a look at that.

[IceReaver 1]

The tax rate for high wealth is set at 8.0% so i don't think that could be the problem.

[nukeu123 307]

The tax rate for high wealth is set at 8.0% so i don't think that could be the problem.

that is a little bit high for high wealth , if it isnt taxing there must me somthing that effects the entire welth class not an area problem, not emough jobs maybe?

EDIT: no jobs zots ehh (didnt read the whole thread sorry) than its defanatly not enough jobs zone more CO$$$ and/or HTI with proper transportation needs as well

  Edited June 4, 2012 by nukeu123  

[z1 566]

Do you have the NAM installed? Abandonment of high-wealth buildings is symptomatic of the original Maxis traffic simulator; this problem is fixed in the NAM.

[kull 0]

Do you have the NAM installed? Abandonment of high-wealth buildings is symptomatic of the original Maxis traffic simulator; this problem is fixed in the NAM.

Where is this NAM and how can I install it?

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Do you have the NAM installed? Abandonment of high-wealth buildings is symptomatic of the original Maxis traffic simulator; this problem is fixed in the NAM.

Where is this NAM and how can I install it?

And read the instructions carefully. If you are on windows it has an automatic installer with lots of options, so be careful.

[kull 0]

Do you have the NAM installed? Abandonment of high-wealth buildings is symptomatic of the original Maxis traffic simulator; this problem is fixed in the NAM.

Where is this NAM and how can I install it?

And read the instructions carefully. If you are on windows it has an automatic installer with lots of options, so be careful.

Ok thanks, I will backup my files.

[IceReaver 1]

yes i have both NAM and CAM installed. I also have SAM and NWM installed.

[His Divine Hand 244]

If you have an Opera house plopped in your city it can cause this sort of problem once your city gets larger. Maxis improbably modded it, but thankfully, there is a fix for it there:

[IceReaver 1]

If you have an Opera house plopped in your city it can cause this sort of problem once your city gets larger. Maxis improbably modded it, but thankfully, there is a fix for it there:

I already had that fix installed also. That's what is confusing me so much about this. According to my demand bars there is no demand for CO$$$, traffic isn't conjested at all, but still all high wealth is abandoning for some reason. It all started once the population hit 200,000 until then everything was fine.

  Edited June 4, 2012 by IceReaver  

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Examine your Jobs and Population graph. You can turn off selected lines on that, and look only at R$$$ and CS/CO$$$. You need a maximum of 3-5 R$$$ for each building in that group. CS/CO$$$ are just like any other big business. A rich executive supported by lots of lower wealth Sims. The higher the fewer.

[IceReaver 1]

I broke down the seperate lines in the top of the post on the CO$$$/CS$$$ jobs from the graph in the top first post plus the I-HT jobs that are there. I also installed CAM which i have read is suppose to fix the problem of high wealth not working in I-HT but I still have no high wealth working in those jobs just mid/low wealth according to the route query when clicking on the building.

[cogeo 960]

It's quite easy to find out if the problem is due to commute time or due to the I-HT bug: create a subway connection from the residential areas to the I-HT area and plop several stations at each end (if you don't have the funds take a loan). Subway is a fast transport mode, and R$$$ sims actually use it. Then run your city for a couple of game-months. If your sims still don't work there, then the probem is due to the I-HT bug, not commute time. Of course, this is just a test, so exit your city without saving. If you found that it's working, then you can simply provide faster commute (and this time you have to build it thoughtfully and carefully).

[z1 566]

What about your R$$$ demand - is it negative? If you're having high wealth abandonment, this may very well be the case. And if it is, you are almost definitely suffering from the CAM Demand Bug (which can be fixed).

[IceReaver 1]

No I don't have negative R$$$ demand. The demand bar is half way up the demand graph. I'm really not sure why it happened all of a sudden. Some of it I'm thinking came from when I removed the Ave bridge leading to the main downtown to make them use the highway going to the downtown instead. Everyone was using the Ave (around 120,000 cars going over the Ave bridge) so I kept getting the advisor complaining about it being to busy so I figured I'd force them to use the highway instead. When I did that that's when the abandonment started but it has been 4 sim years since I did that so it should have worked itself out by now. I could understand if I just did that since it takes a few months for them to find the new paths. Right now they will build a high wealth building then it will abandon. As soon as that one abandons they will build a new building and the cycle continues. I zone in 11x5 blocks with zoning 2x2 on each side with filler, trees in the middle then I place a bus stop on one end and a subway on the other so I figure the stops are close enough for everyone to get to.

Plus I have found out that I do have high wealth working in the I-HT buildings.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Your highway isn't close enough. Are you using the NAM? If so, you might want to change the simulator settings to change the maximum commute time. Another approach is to make the highway more accessible from the residential areas or put in some rail.

[IceReaver 1]

Yes I'm using the NAM and set the traffic controller at ultra when I installed it. The highway entrance is about 20-25 tiles from the area that is abandoning with NWM 5 turning lane ave. running to the entrance. I really wish to avoid running rail into the downtown area if possible which is why I'm running subway.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

Don't forget that EL rail will transition to subway at the outskirts.

[IceReaver 1]

I'll try the e-rail and see if it will help out. thank you everyone for all the help that you have given me. I'll let you know how it goes.