After 400+ Years, Sir Francis Drake's ships have been found

[Larks2242 251]

Lead by former 76ers owner Pat Croce, the ships of former navigator Sir Francis Drake have been found off the coast of Panama

Gamerant speculates about this possibly being a storyline for Uncharted 4.

Big discovery that has been missing for 400 years, hope something can be brought up to give to a museum.

[nathanthemayor 1,261]

Oh man!This is a great discovery!

[emperordaniel 1,281]

This is an awesome discovery!

[Meg 368]

He's Jim Croce's nephew, isn't he? At any rate, it will be interesting to see what all they find down there.

[Larks2242 251]

He's Jim Croce's nephew, isn't he? At any rate, it will be interesting to see what all they find down there.

Not sure who that is, but they couldn't find Drake's coffin.

[Meg 368]

He's Jim Croce's nephew, isn't he? At any rate, it will be interesting to see what all they find down there.

Not sure who that is

This guy.

, but they couldn't find Drake's coffin.

A lead-lined coffin? Doesn't sound like something that would float away.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

He's Jim Croce's nephew, isn't he? At any rate, it will be interesting to see what all they find down there.

Not sure who that is

This guy.

, but they couldn't find Drake's coffin.

A lead-lined coffin? Doesn't sound like something that would float away.

They really don't teach 15th century British history in the U.S. anymore, eh?

[Meg 368]

They really don't teach 15th century British history in the U.S. anymore, eh?

Not sure that they ever did but they certainly did not when I was in school. I wasn't taught any 15th century history, British or otherwise. There was ancient Rome and Greece and then the pilgrims hit Plymouth Rock.

When I went to England to visit some friends, we were seeing the various sites. They expected me to have different places in my brain for the 11th century vs the 13th century. I do not. It is all one big blur to me.

I'm not saying I'm proud of that. It is a gap in my education. and since it is typical of my generation, it probably explains a few things about our approach to world events.

[TekindusT 3,809]

@Meg: I guess this isn't uncommon. We all are taught the history of the places we live in, and I think we all will agree that there's not much preserved history in North America before it was "discovered" by the Europeans.

The big mistake is that, as I've said before, we are ONLY taught the history of the places we live in. I can make a quite decent timeline of Catalonia since the Roman ages, but I have absolutely no idea about German history, just an example.

[Ocram's Razr 963]

I learned history of other places in college, TV, and internet. I can tell you that Spain used to be 4 kingdoms and when those 4 kingdoms were united, portugal almost went with them.

[Meg 368]

I learned some history from doing genealogy. Going backwards, in the 1930, 1920, 1910, 1900, and 1880 census records, there were a lot of people who were born in "Germany". But, in 1870, 1860, and 1850, there are none. They were born in "Hesse" or "Wurttemberg" or wherever. That was my first clue as to when the German unification happened.

[Barbarossa 51]

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  Edited September 8, 2012 by Barbarossa  

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

When I was in high school, we spent a couple of classes on Drake, especially the Spanish Armada. Drake was a privateer for want of the real word, and while his relationship with Elizabeth I was cordial, it was only because he helped fill her treasury. As usual in those days he took great license with his letters of marque and reprisal.

Maybe I belong to a totally different generation, but my high-school history courses covered the entire British history from about the Battle of Hastings (1066 and all that) or even a little before, forward to the present day. Of course that was in the 1950s and we were in a British Empire Dominion. We also spent some time with a general overview of Europe, especially the two world wars, with a nod at Japan. Since I was able to read, I dropped formal history courses as soon as I was allowed to, so that I could get in some more maths and sciences. Later I regretted that, but no longer.

Most of my classical history comes from five years of high-school Latin, reading the authors in the original, and two years of university level Italian. It is also amazing how much history you pick up in other language classes. Four years of French, six years of English (all mandatory, my university insisted on one year of English), and a lot of reading over the years. A couple of weeks in southwestern France in the 1970s didn't do me any harm either. In the Aquitaine, I learned a lot about the relations between France, Spain and the Basques who want a chunk of both. For the benefit of those who have been told they speak French like a Spanish Cow, the real phrase is "Vous parlez Français comme un Basque Espaniol".

The Aquitaine and especially the capital, Bordeaux, are very Roman areas. The largest square in Europe when I was there was the main square in Bordeaux which used to be the Forum of Burdigilia. The Romans drank a lot of claret. If you've never been to the Côte d'Argent, put it on your bucket list. It is a fun place to have an unstructured holiday.

  Edited November 12, 2011 by A Nonny Moose  

[spiritualfire 138]

I'm glad somebody brought up education in high school and not learning the lesser known parts of history. And I feel we aren't taught what should be. Most history is left to the universities (i.e. 15th century British history) It's only been 8 years since I graduated high school. I've had to learn many things on my own free time. I didn't know the Vikings discovered "America" long before before Columbus until after I was gone.... As I like to say: EPIC FAIL. I didn't know the history of Rome until I played Caesar III. They seem to only teach in schools what's considered acceptable instead of leaving room for ideas. That's my opinion of it.

Unfortunately TekindusT, I disagree because once I entered high school (9th grade to be exact) I was required to take US Geography, then in 11th grade US History, and 12th grade since it was two semesters resulted in US Government then Economics. I still to this day, to my knowledge, have never learned much about my home state of Tennessee's history. Unless I look at my State Quarter collection, I couln't tell you the state birthyear off the top of my head. It's pretty sad I know.

Most of my education currently, since I don't have the necessary resources of obtaining a higher one, have been reading articles online and books. A recent one is A History of the Middle Ages by Joseph Dahmus which I'm just a bit over halfway through.

[A Nonny Moose 8,261]

I'm glad somebody brought up education in high school and not learning the lesser known parts of history. And I feel we aren't taught what should be. Most history is left to the universities (i.e. 15th century British history) It's only been 8 years since I graduated high school. I've had to learn many things on my own free time. I didn't know the Vikings discovered "America" long before before Columbus until after I was gone.... As I like to say: EPIC FAIL. I didn't know the history of Rome until I played Caesar III. They seem to only teach in schools what's considered acceptable instead of leaving room for ideas. That's my opinion of it.

Unfortunately TekindusT, I disagree because once I entered high school (9th grade to be exact) I was required to take US Geography, then in 11th grade US History, and 12th grade since it was two semesters resulted in US Government then Economics. I still to this day, to my knowledge, have never learned much about my home state of Tennessee's history. Unless I look at my State Quarter collection, I couln't tell you the state birthyear off the top of my head. It's pretty sad I know.

Most of my education currently, since I don't have the necessary resources of obtaining a higher one, have been reading articles online and books. A recent one is A History of the Middle Ages by Joseph Dahmus which I'm just a bit over halfway through.

Well, my friend, I see you have registered in good ol' HKU. (Hard Knocks University). While I have a rather scattered post-secondary education, none of it led to a degree of any kind except the one I got from HKU. It takes a long time, but there is only one program and it is a doctorate. No dissertation nor thesis is necessary, just life experience. Try to avoid having the same year over and over in some dead-end job. You'll never get your doctorate (D. HK.) that way.

Learn something new every day, and if you find yourself in a rut, change tracks. After you finish your Dahmus, find a good, unbiased book on the Norse Myths, then compare them with the Greek Myths and the Egyptian ones. Note the similarities you find in peoples who were separated by distance and time. Then look at your Bible and compare the early stories in the Old Testament before it turns into a genealogical history. Take a good look at the Book of Ecclesiastes. One thing will stand out there: "There is nothing new under the sun."

All this mythos will give you a pretty good grip on the way the various cultures were thinking. Then, if you can find a copy, read a novel called "The Egyptian" about a physician at the time of Ikhnaton named Sinue. It is a novel, but it puts flesh on the bones. Ikhnaton was about two pharohs before Ramses II, so it puts you right in the time of the Hebrew exodus. Some thoughtful reading will give you some insights there.

If you haven't already, also have a good dive into Homer, particularly the Iliad. The Odyssey is really a follow on commentary, but if you like fantasy and adventure, it is a good read. The follow up is the Aeneid about the aftermath of the Trojan War from the losing side. It is always important to remember that the winners write history.

I should shut up. All this will give you background reading for about five years if you are working full time.