Hot Air Balloon Escapes...

[DCMetro34 577]

Originally posted by: Ntq$310

Breaking Now: Sheriff says that it is infact, a Hoax/publicity stunt.quote>

Yes. Why would you do that, besides your 10 seconds of fame. More 10 seconds of shame.

[MattShizzle 11]

The parents are idiots maybe?

[Mikeaut1 261]

It's crazy what people will do for attention these days.

[blade2k5 1,523]

Originally posted by: MattShizzle

The parents are idiots maybe?quote>

More like attention hogs with stupidity mixed in

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: blade2k5

Originally posted by: MattShizzle

The parents are idiots maybe?quote>

More like attention hogs with stupidity mixed inquote>

A huge hoax, Although i do like the fact they pulled one over on the overreacting media types,

they will pay for what they did. At the least  it has to be illegal to perpetuate the hoax when the police are involved.

http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/balloon-boy-drama-was-hoax-police-20091019-h3v5.html

although prosecuting them just gives them more publicity.

[crazychickensc12 84]

Here is an E news 2 minute video clip about the Hoax aspect of the incident

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[Ísafjörður 5]

Its quite insane what the parents did for publicity! I'm not surprised if any charges will be laid (even though there most likely already are).

Its just stupid!

[Larks2242 251]

Originally posted by: mgmg14

Its quite insane what the parents did for publicity! I'm not surprised if any charges will be laid (even though there most likely already are).

Its just stupid!quote>

I think it would be almost impossible for no charges to be filed.

[DCMetro34 577]

Originally posted by: Larks2242

Originally posted by: mgmg14

Its quite insane what the parents did for publicity! I'm not surprised if any charges will be laid (even though there most likely already are).

Its just stupid!quote>

I think it would be almost impossible for no charges to be filed.quote>

Yea, I heard about child abuse charges. Wow!   That could be bad......

[citiesxlfan42 27]

I poked my head through the office window to watch this. Oui, this looked very staged. And I hope they have them in prison and the fines, because they had SEVERAL Apache helicopters, as well as all of the other rescue teams that came. Sheesh.

Oh what people will do to get attention. The other night at the school dance, some kid did the moonwalk and sang Thriller in an opera voice in a spotlight. Everyone was crowding around. And he hugged EVERY girl in the school. He thinks all attention is positive attention.

[DCMetro34 577]

Originally posted by: citiesxlfan42

I poked my head through the office window to watch this. Oui, this looked very staged. And I hope they have them in prison and the fines, because they had SEVERAL Apache helicopters, as well as all of the other rescue teams that came. Sheesh.

Oh what people will do to get attention. The other night at the school dance, some kid did the moonwalk and sang Thriller in an opera voice in a spotlight. Everyone was crowding around. And he hugged EVERY girl in the school. He thinks all attention is positive attention.quote>

Yes, I know ALOT of people like that. Unfortunately, that's the wrong way to get attention. Doing positive things is the right way, even if it's harder or takes longer.

[Godzillaman 21]

Wasn't this family in one of those "Wife swap" shows?

You know, the ones where your dignity goes out the window...

[crazychickensc12 84]

Originally posted by: Godzillaman

Wasn't this family in one of those "Wife swap" shows?

You know, the ones where your dignity goes out the window...

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Why you are correct this family was featured on Wife Swap!!!

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[Ntq€310 1]

I remember seeing a video of one of there episodes... the father was showed being incredible angry at the woman who replaced his wife, and then he decided to throw milk at her while yelling. I don't know about the wife, but he's a angry 2 year old.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Originally posted by: Ntq$310

I remember seeing a video of one of there episodes... the father was showed being incredible angry at the woman who replaced his wife, and then he decided to throw milk at her while yelling. I don't know about the wife, but he's a angry 2 year old.quote>

An angry 2-year-old? I doubt if they could find a wife for him, let alone any viewers. He sure didn't look like a typical 2-year-old when I saw him in his interview...

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Why you are correct this family was featured on Wife Swap!!!

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The family was featured on Wife Swap! This alone is enough evidence to prove that he is guilty as charged, even though it is completely unrelated to the case. But that doesn't matter, since we all know that if anything bizarre ever happens to a reality television star, it must be a hoax perpetrated by them. (end sarcasm)

[crazychickensc12 84]

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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It says authorities will be seeking restitution for the chase of the hot air balloon i bet that is gonna be a steep figure, DIA(Denver International Airport) was closed down for a breif moment

[Easy Bakes 253]

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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It says authorities will be seeking restitution for the chase of the hot air balloon i bet that is gonna be a steep figure, DIA(Denver International Airport) was closed down for a breif moment

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I cant wait till south park gets a hold of this. Ft Collins is mentioned a few times inthe show.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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I would say the chances of it being a hoax have just spiked. However, I still maintain that the earlier speculation was completely unsubstaintiated. I'd also be waiting for other people in the family to come out with their tales.

It says authorities will be seeking restitution for the chase of the hot air balloon i bet that is gonna be a steep figure, DIA(Denver International Airport) was closed down for a breif moment

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If it is proven to be a hoax, restitution seems fair to me.

[Jumpthefence 74]

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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So the kid agreed to be stuffed into a cardboard box in the garage attic for 6 hours? And the parents allowed it? Can you say 'child endangerment charges'?

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Originally posted by: Jumpthefence

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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So the kid agreed to be stuffed into a cardboard box in the garage attic for 6 hours? And the parents allowed it? Can you say 'child endangerment charges'?

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If the kid agreed to it, he is responsible for endangering himself. If the parents forced him into the box against his will, I'd say that is unlawful imprisonment.

[MattShizzle 11]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

[if the kid agreed to it, he is responsible for endangering himself.

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The kid's only 6 years old. The parents have responsibility to a child at that age. No court would put any responsibility for what happened on a kid that age.

[Jumpthefence 74]

From what I understand, the mother made up the whole plan ahead of time, this including Falcon being in the box the whole time. So therefore, she decided to cause him potential harm, probably against his will. Unless he agreed. In which case the whole family would do anything for fame. Which worries me.

So the parents were the ones who made the decision to lock him up. Right?

Personally, I wouldn't want to be stuffed in a box in my attic for six hours. While the media is looking for me. It's morally wrong. Plus, there's spiders in our attic.

[DCMetro34 577]

I am watching CNN and HLN and they say the mom just admitted that it was a hoax!!!

[Larks2242 251]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

Originally posted by: Jumpthefence

Originally posted by: crazychickensc12

Yet another update apparently the Mom has come out and admitted it was a hoax and that everyone was involved.

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So the kid agreed to be stuffed into a cardboard box in the garage attic for 6 hours? And the parents allowed it? Can you say 'child endangerment charges'?

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If the kid agreed to it, he is responsible for endangering himself. If the parents forced him into the box against his will, I'd say that is unlawful imprisonment.

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You can't blame a kid, it's the parents fault for coming up with the idea.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Originally posted by: MattShizzle

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

[if the kid agreed to it, he is responsible for endangering himself.

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The kid's only 6 years old. The parents have responsibility to a child at that age. No court would put any responsibility for what happened on a kid that age.quote>

I do not base my beliefs on what a court may or may not think. Yes, according to the law, the parents are responsible. However, something is not moral just because the law says it is. I'd like to draw your attention to the Jim Crow laws and the German concentration camps. Extreme examples, yes, but they do illustrate the concept.

Originally posted by: Jumpthefence

From what I understand, the mother made up the whole plan ahead of time, this including Falcon being in the box the whole time. So therefore, she decided to cause him potential harm, probably against his will. Unless he agreed. In which case the whole family would do anything for fame. Which worries me.

So the parents were the ones who made the decision to lock him up. Right?

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Should we presume that because he was born 6 years ago, then he must have been forced into the box? That to me is deeply flawed logic. I do think it is possible that he was put in there against his will, but at the same time we should not presume either he agreed or was forced.

As I said, he was definently endangered if he did agree to be put into a box in the attic. If he did agree to it, the responsibility is his, and a person is free to endanger themselves as they please (I'm speaking ethically, not legally). If he did not consent to be put into the box, and they did it to him against his will, then it is unlawful imprisonment, and the parents should be punished by all means.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be stuffed in a box in my attic for six hours. While the media is looking for me. It's morally wrong. Plus, there's spiders in our attic.

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Well, if someone asks your consent to be put into a box, you'll say no. Your preferences may be different than the "balloon boy". Also, if you were in a box, how would you be aware that the media was looking for you? People don't exist to serve the whims of the media, so your last point is in my view rediculous.

Originally posted by: Larks2242

You can't blame a kid, it's the parents fault for coming up with the idea.

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Yes, the parents came up with the idea. But it is the kid's fault for consenting to it.

If it was not forced, then he endangered himself by consenting to be put in a box. If he was forced, then it is unlawful imprisonment. I have no clue as to how such a simple logical conclusion could cause such a stir.

[Wrightguy0 40]

You act as if a child of 6 can rationalize like an adult, they can't. If mommy and daddy told you to hide in a box at that age, you would, because you trust your parents and have been taught to obey them, beyond hat the poor boy had no idea what he was doing, or the trouble he was getting into. at age six a child's perception of right and wrong is not fully develloped, and they develop their moral compass by observing their parents, to blame the child in this case, is quite frankly, disturbing.

[Patricius Maximus 236]

Originally posted by: Wrightguy0 (emphasis added by myself)

If mommy and daddy told you to hide in a box at that age, you would, because you trust your parents and have been taught to obey them[...]quote>

Firstly, I consider the use of the term "you" to be overly presumptive. When I was 6 years old, I would not consented to be put in a box in an attic, unless there was a clear danger present. To consent to this would be stupid on my part, and I was (and still am) smarter than that. Other six-year-olds I cannot speak for.

Secondly, this has nothing to do with my argument. I did not argue that the boy giving consent to this was the right or rational choice, I merely stated that if he was not forced, he must have given consent. Consent is consent, however ill-informed or stupid that consent may be.

You act as if a child of 6 can rationalize like an adult, they can't.quote>

Again, you are overly presumptive. Was this person rational? Like all humans, there is a possibility he was rational, and there is a possibility he was irrational. The particular choice he made in this case in my view was not rational, but unlike you, I do not presume based on age whether someone is rational or irrational.

Such an approach as you use is illogical, since under common reasoning (which you seem to be using), a person is brainless, irrational, non-sapient, and a non-person on the night before some arbitrary amount of days after they're born, and then when they wake up the next day, they are rational, sapient, and a real person, like some sort of an insect undergoing a one-night metamorphosis. Show me any proof of that. Show me any proof of this radical and instant transformation. You will not find it.

There are only two logical approaches: one, that all humans should be considered irrational until proven otherwise, or that all humans should be considered rational until proven otherwise. It is the same line of thinking as guilty until proven innocent vs. innocent until proven guilty.

Given that all humans with a brain are capable of rational thought (but won't necessarily use it), I believe we should assume they are rational until proven otherwise.

Beyond hat the poor boy had no idea what he was doing, or the trouble he was getting into.quote>

I think that he did have an idea that he was getting into a box. He probably did not know of the full plan, and thus of the trouble he was getting into, since he was not one that was "in the loop", so to speak.

At age six a child's perception of right and wrong is not fully develloped, and they develop their moral compass by observing their parentsquote>

The statment above is a manifestation of the blank slate theory of child development, which is completely unsubstantiated by any conclusive evidence.

to blame the child in this case, is quite frankly, disturbing.quote>

I still do not understand how it is disturbing to state that when a person consents to an act, that they did consent to that act, and if they did not consent, then they must have been forced to commit such act. This is only disturbing to a twisted logic completely divorced from reality.

[thepokemaniac 18]

I could tell that they were lying from the start, the way they were acting all goofy and not looking at the camera. I guess they're innocent until proven guilty, though.

[DCMetro34 577]

Originally posted by: Patricius Maximus

What? The parents were manipulating him! He was a prop, what if your parents did that to you? The kid is six years old, and probably doesn't know what a reality TV show is; his parents just told him to go with it.

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[Jumpthefence 74]

Originally posted by: DCMetro34

What? The parents were manipulating him! He was a prop, what if your parents did that to you? The kid is six years old, and probably doesn't know what a reality TV show is; his parents just told him to go with it.

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Yes, but it all depends on how much responsibility you can give to a six year old. Is he old enough to decide to not play along with the parents stupid plan? Or is he still young and susceptible to lies? I'd like to think I'm smart, but I would've fallen for it at age six. Well, maybe not for six hours. Eh, make your own opinions.

Then again, it seemed like he pretty well understood what happened when he was on Larry King Live...