The Simtropolis Closet

[MallowTheCloud 41]

Date: 7/18/2005 2:44:26 PM
Author: subedei
Was actually refering to a the part about insults.

Subedei

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Ya, this part: It's when a person specifically tries to start throwing insults and expects insults in return, just for the purpose of closing the thread, that it bothers us.

[thatmonkeysim 8]

eh well it is the truth...

[SpartanBadger 4]

It's hard for me to sit here and bite my lip, not to flame certain members, but I will. I just have to say that Subedei: spoken like a true reactionary.

I have a question to ask though...Jmuss you said you went to meet them as just a friend. But doesn't that go against what you believe? Or are you just hiding it because, apparently, his parents accept all people. (Yes that was sarcasm)

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Date: 7/18/2005 4:06:21 PM Author: XSpiderman
I have a question to ask though...Jmuss you said you went to meet them as just a friend. But doesn't that go against what you believe? Or are you just hiding it because, apparently, his parents accept all people. (Yes that was sarcasm)

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Well, its perfectly acceptable to stay or return to the closet should something like this happen. Remember, this is The Simtropolis Closet, a thread for the closeted (Not me then).

[6underground 11]

subedei

I'm a Bisexual dude, so I believe i have a unique perspective here. It appears you have many issues and generalisations about Gay people (whether that extends to Bisexuals, i do not know), however you have made some insightful, yet baffling comments. You claim that you can tell who is gay just by seeing them in the street, so that leaves me with a suitable question;

Do you have Gaydar?
Or are you making over Generalisations?

Contrary to popular media belief, not every Gay guy is a fashion victim, nor a Gucci slave, nor listens to pop music, nor a Madonna/Cher/Britney spears fan, nor inherently camp, nor deviod of morals and principals, Nor hits on every man they come into contact with.

I myself have both male and female friends that i have never expressed a desire to shag their brains out. Let me ask you this...Every woman you've come into contact with (assuming your not so far back in the closet your in Narnia), do you wan't to do them? I'd bet one gold British coin, that you don't. So why then do you believe that gay people think act in such a desperate manner?

I can't say i've ever acted like that, and as i stated before i have double the chances of pulling at the end of the night.

At the end of the day it just boils down to the person, your character cannot be defined solely on your sexuality, but your soul if you will, the choices you've made and the people you've touched. If you believe otherwise than i am trully sorry you live in such a repressive area of the world that has decided to shun a part of human diversity that is as common in the Animal kingdom as it is in our human populations.

However, if it isnt your repressive environment that has dictated your views about Homosexuality/Bisexuality that has led to your anti-gay comments, than perhaps you have an incliantion about your own sexuality, or perhaps it's emereging and you don't like what you can sense. I'll leave that upto you to reply too, presuming you'd want too.

I'm gald society is changing, at the end of the day it has absolutely nothing to do with who i choose to sleep with, as long as it involves consenting adults, who feel the need to express themselves in what ever way they deem appropriate, there shouldn't be a problem.

You should try it out subedei, you may like it. You don't live forever, and it's not as though the worlds going to implode if you do.

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6underground,

Do you not think its a bit iffy questioning Subedei's sexuality like that? Whether he's a genuine homophobe, or extremely closeted or not, you're not exactly going to be getting a hug. I know that I certainly wouldn't like that, there was a certain person I glassed awhile ago... Just be careful what you say.

 

PS: You from UK?

[6underground 11]

Date: 7/18/2005 4:36:18 PM
Author: ATPjohn

6underground,


Do you not think its a bit iffy questioning Subedei's sexuality like that? Whether he's a genuine homophobe, or extremely closeted or not, you're not exactly going to be getting a hug. I know that I certainly wouldn't like that, there was a certain person I glassed awhile ago... Just be careful what you say.

PS: You from UK?

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I'm a big boy ATP I can handle myself. Besides it's a perfectly good question too ask, if he'd a decent enough human being he wouldn't need to resort to violence to prove his heterosexuality. That the measure of a man, well in my mind anyway. Besides i'm not looking for a hug off anyone, nor do i seek people approval, i just act on what i think is right and try not offend people.

You glassed someone????! Why in the hell did you do that?

Yeah, I'm from the U.K

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It doesn't matter whether you get approval, its whether somebody tries to kick your face in. I think some of us are pushing it as it is.

 

And I was having a war with someone, he got me with a 2x4 round the head, I tried to gas him. All because he thought i was gay, back when I was closeted.

[Meg 368]

Date: 7/18/2005 4:36:18 PM Author: ATPjohn

6underground, Do you not think its a bit iffy questioning Subedei's sexuality like that? Whether he's a genuine homophobe, or extremely closeted or not, you're not exactly going to be getting a hug. I know that I certainly wouldn't like that, there was a certain person I glassed awhile ago... Just be careful what you say.

 

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Yes, this is supposed to be talking about the issues, not about each other. 

 

(Didn't I recently say that?  )

[+Guest]

Well, SkiGeek could you reiterate the purpose of this thread, or at least elaborate on it? Its a bit: Heres a closet, discuss. I've talked a bit about being closeted. Where do I go with the conversation now?

 

[6underground 11]

Date: 7/18/2005 5:09:47 PM
Author: ATPjohn

Date: 7/18/2005 4:36:18 PM Author: ATPjohn
It doesn't matter whether you get approval, its whether somebody tries to kick your face in. I think some of us are pushing it as it is.

And I was having a war with someone, he got me with a 2x4 round the head, I tried to gas him. All because he thought i was gay, back when I was closeted.

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No it doesnt matter about getting approval, or not getting approval for who you are. Sorry if soemone tried to kick your face in for being who you are, i guess we just don't live in a society where we can be who we wan't be without the threat of violence. It's called commen sense, and knowing what to say and to whom, that ensures you don't get a kick in. I'm pretty diplomatic in real life, in what i say. Ive never been beat up for being Bi, but then i hang out with people that are open minded. That is most important. Being Closeted is a hard place to be, i can relate to that.

[The Evil Octopus Man 25]

To clarify my earlier post, I was including everyone, not just gays.

@ATPjohn's post below mine: I was watching TV while I was typing. forgot to add straights too before I hit submit, and when I realized my mistake, we were already several posts into a new page.

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But you said

Date: 7/18/2005 1:25:45 PM Author: The Evil Octopus Man 
Gays, I have no problem with.  Just as long as they are not extremely passionate about their feelings in public.

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Thats cool if you meant everyone, tho. I agree

[6underground 11]

Define Extremely passionate?

[subedei 3]

Date: 7/18/2005 4:19:20 PM Author: 6underground subedei I'm a Bisexual dude, so I believe i have a unique perspective here. It appears you have many issues and generalisations about Gay people (whether that extends to Bisexuals, i do not know), however you have made some insightful, yet baffling comments. You claim that you can 'tell' who is gay just by seeing them in the street, so that leaves me with a suitable question; Do you have Gaydar? Or are you making over Generalisations? Contrary to popular media belief, not every Gay guy is a fashion victim, nor a Gucci slave, nor listens to pop music, nor a Madonna/Cher/Britney spears fan, nor inherently 'camp', nor deviod of morals and principals, Nor hits on every man they come into contact with. I myself have both male and female friends that i have never expressed a desire to 'shag their brains out'. Let me ask you this...Every woman you've come into contact with (assuming your not so far back in the closet your in Narnia), do you wan't to 'do' them? I'd bet one gold British coin, that you don't. So why then do you believe that gay people think act in such a 'desperate' manner? I can't say i've ever acted like that, and as i stated before i have double the chances of 'pulling' at the end of the night. At the end of the day it just boils down to the person, your character cannot be defined solely on your sexuality, but your 'soul' if you will, the choices you've made and the people you've touched. If you believe otherwise than i am trully sorry you live in such a repressive area of the world that has decided to shun a part of human diversity that is as common in the Animal kingdom as it is in our human populations. However, if it isnt your repressive environment that has dictated your views about Homosexuality/Bisexuality that has led to your anti-gay comments, than perhaps you have an incliantion about your own sexuality, or perhaps it's emereging and you don't like what you can sense. I'll leave that upto you to reply too, presuming you'd want too. I'm gald society is changing, at the end of the day it has absolutely nothing to do with who i choose to sleep with, as long as it involves consenting adults, who feel the need to express themselves in what ever way they deem appropriate, there shouldn't be a problem. You should try it out subedei, you may like it. You don't live forever, and it's not as though the worlds going to implode if you do.

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 Actaully I am very straight thankyouverymuch. The mere thought of Homesexuality offends me but then again thats me. Let me ask why do you feel it neccesary to announce it in public and not have a private forum? Is it your intent to offend people with your lifestyle? or to attract more.

 It always seems that people with alternative lifestyles  have to always air their private lives in public and when someone does not agree with it they are Labled as close minded.

 So now we have a thread with both Gay adults and Gay teens socializing with each other. Am i the only one who sees the possible ramifications with that?

 

 

 

 

Subedei

 

 

P.S> IMHO there is no such thing as Bi....you either sleep with a man or you dont sleep with a man.

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Date: 7/19/2005 7:34:23 AM Author: subedei

Let me ask why do you feel it neccesary to announce it in public and not have a private forum? Is it your intent to offend people with your lifestyle? or to attract more.

It always seems that people with 'alternative' lifestyles  have to always air their private lives in public and when someone does not agree with it they are Labled as 'close minded'.

 

So now we have a thread with both Gay adults and Gay teens socializing with each other. Am i the only one who sees the possible ramifications with that?

Subedei

P.S> IMHO there is no such thing as Bi....you either sleep with a man or you dont sleep with a man.

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Well, this particular point is because of contrast between heterosexuals and all other sexual orientations; in that you, a heterosexual are automatically assumed to be straight, so therefore you never announce anything about yourself like that. 
As opposed to all other sexual orientations who do have to announce, or at the very least inform to avoid confusion. So of course you feel like that, and I can understand if you do, although I would appreciate a more eloquent approach.

 

About the teen/adult point you made; I see your point, albeit slightly paranoid. For a start, this is very lukewarm in comparison to chatrooms on certain gay support forums. I assume you've never been on one before. So long as the moderators do their job, and no explicitly personal details like address are broadcast, everyone is safe.

Finally, about your bi comment. I can't understand what you've said. Many people are in active relationships with people from both genders, how can that be 'one or the other'? But then I suppose it is an opinion of yours, and we must respect that, in the way that you have so far more or less respected the sexual orientation of certain posters here. I for one won't force my opinion of otherwise on you or any opinion on anyone else.

 

ATP

[Meg 368]

Date: 7/19/2005 7:34:23 AM Author: subedei

 Let me ask why do you feel it neccesary to announce it in public and not have a private forum?

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The way it was explained to me was that the psychic toll on a gay person passing for straight is about the same as that of a black person who is passing for white.  (Yeah, I know that doesn't happen so much any more but it did when I was a kid before the equal rights laws were passed.)

 

Where I used to work (I'm now retired), sexual orientation was included in the protected classes (age, race, gender, religion, and so forth).  We were all asked to imagine what it would be like, going 9 hours a day, 5 days a week, without mentioning our spouse/significant other.    Most people wouldn't be comfortable doing that. 

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Yeah, I was like that when I worked at a call centre. Was NOT easy. Couldn't really speak of anything in that nature, or argue, as the booth next door would pick it up.

[6underground 11]

Date: 7/19/2005 9:39:29 AM
Author: Subedei Wrote:
Actaully I am very straight thankyouverymuch. The mere thought of Homesexuality offends me but then again thats me. Let me ask why do you feel it neccesary to announce it in public and not have a private forum? Is it your intent to offend people with your lifestyle? or to attract more.
It always seems that people with alternative lifestyles have to always air their private lives in public and when someone does not agree with it they are Labled as close minded.
So now we have a thread with both Gay adults and Gay teens socializing with each other. Am i the only one who sees the possible ramifications with that?




Subedei


P.S> IMHO there is no such thing as Bi....you either sleep with a man or you dont sleep with a man.

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Well okay, you've said your straight. That's fine.

Let me ask why do you feel it neccesary to announce it in public and not have a private forum? Is it your intent to offend people with your lifestyle?

No it isn't my intent to offend anyone by admitting who i am, and i am proud to be who i am. I don't see a problem with it. Your statement about public versus-private forum is very revealing, thats almost like a 1950's opinion where gay/bi men were forced to hide who they were. Life is way too short to be acting how other people wnat you to be. If i feel it neccisary to stand on the highest mountain with a microphone hooked upto huge speakers and scream out I am Bi, i can do that. What is the big deal? It is little relevance too you at all. If i want to excerise my god-given right to freedom of speech, i will. Simple as, and i dont have to apologise on any level, for who i am. Nor should I, if you are upset by this, i am trully sorry, but too those that know me, It isn't really a big deal, since they value me as a friend and not judge me on my sexuality alone.

I guess that must reflect our different environments, perhaps where i grew up, it wasn't such a big deal, but perhaps where you live it is.

or to attract more

Or to attract more? What is THAT supposed to mean?

It always seems that people with alternative lifestyles have to always air their private lives in public and when someone does not agree with it they are Labled as 'close minded'.

In what way am i airing my private life? I am merely being honest about my sexuality like you have done, by saying you are straight. Or are you over generalising?

So now we have a thread with both Gay adults and Gay teens socializing with each other. Am i the only one who sees the possible ramifications with that?

Not really, I doubt their are many perverts (since that is what i think your implying) on simtropolis. As ATPjohn pointed out, this site is well administarted and ran, so i highly doubt anything untoward would happen.

IMHO there is no such thing as Bi....you either sleep with a man or you dont sleep with a man.

Hmmm, well i like both. In my books that's defined as Bisexual. If uou consult the dictionary, and look for Bisexual, you'll find it there inbetween biserial and bish. You cannot really argue with the Concise Oxford Dictionary

[SpartanBadger 4]

<--- edited :   from here on out, no one is allowed to use the word you in this thread. . .  the cyber-mom --->>

[thatmonkeysim 8]

eh... hes still going at it?? wow....

if we are closeminded just because some people are worng... i dont know what closed minded is then...

but lets not start a flame war [this is the like the 10th time ive said this] and lets get back to the discussion at hand...

if we have to ignore some people to do that... so be it

[Alkaola 18]

well , we won't use ' you' anymore

 

i wanna say this :

 

Gay people are in my opinion always very kind more creative and much more friendly

 

my point is to explain you people i don't have any problems with gay people , there should be more because hetero guys are often just jerks

 

 

[masher 3]

Soo my boyfriend came yesterday and we spent the evening watching America's next top model
Then we took some pictures just for fun....and we used my dog as model
We are supposed to have lunch together today...but it's 11:36 am right now and he hasn't called me

Date: 7/19/2005 10:01:24 AM Author: 6underground 

 'IMHO there is no such thing as Bi....you either sleep with a man or you dont sleep with a man.' Hmmm, well i like both. In my books that's defined as Bisexual. If uou consult the dictionary, and look for 'Bisexual', you'll find it there inbetween 'biserial' and 'bish'. You cannot really argue with the Concise Oxford Dictionary

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It's not on the bible!!!!111111[]

[6underground 11]

Meh, I am what i am

[Zelgadis 638]

Masher, you should have changed the brand name to Coverpooch!

Hope your bf shows up. Mine's arriving in Toronto two days after me. I hope he shows up too!

ISF

[+Guest]

Well, pooch wouldn't be my first choice, lol. I won't elaborate.



At least you have a clear cut relationship!

 

[jmusshorn 7]

Well, the dinner was... Interesting...

 

The entire time his parents kept staring me down! IDK why, they just kept sneering at me!

 

The question is: Did they find out? Or do they just hate me?

 

Both are probable I guess.

 

Other than that, it was a good night. I was who I am, and no one else. Thanks for the advice to everyone who was here!

 

~J

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 7/19/2005 7:34:23 AM Author: subedei

o now we have a thread with both Gay adults and Gay teens socializing with each other. Am i the only one who sees the possible ramifications with that?

 

Up and down the chain, in all of the forums and site venues, we are monitoring for people that would prey on vulnerable members!  If anybody sees it or has it happen to them here at SimTropolis let us know immediately!!!-JoeSocWork

 

[masher 3]

Yes and Samantha has also stated that before....in case you don't know what I'm talking about, here is the thread she started

[Joesocwork 4]

Date: 7/19/2005 8:53:53 PM Author: masher Yes and Samantha has also stated that before....in case you don't know what I'm talking about, here is the thread she started

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You're right Masher,

Without discussing too much about the ways of the Dirktatorship, we've definitely had lots of conversations about the subject among ourselves and it (exploitation & trolling) really matters.  We're continue to try to make sure that all of the staff appreciate their duties and that as best as possible everything is monitored with no one single thread or venue singled out.  We've also made a point to make a distinction, regardless of our personal beliefs and points of view, between subjects that evoke healthy conversation and subjects meant to provoke members.  Of course the success of all this depends not only on the staff but the willingness of members to put aside egos and look out for their fellow members, respecting both ages and the variety of differences of a multi-cultural cyber-community.